Ok so awhile back a friend of mine went out buying stuff for his car decided he wanted a smaller turbo and offerd me a sbr 50 trim with a mitsu exhaust side 16g size. So I traded my mhi big 16g for it manly because he gave me a huge front mount for my cheap eBay tube and fin front mount. So Im running the turbo and I realy like it I'm at 23psi by 3600ish Rpms. Now my question is does anyone no anything abought the turbo like it's limits if it's reliable. Any in put would be great

You can see power up to about 400awhp.

Kinetic Motorsport: KINETIC DSM 50T TURBO EXT. WG

Same turbo ^

They're made by Kinetic, one step above the Chinese turbos you find on eBay. They do not contain ANY Garrett parts.

I had a customer who installed a new SBR / Kinetic G60 on his car, dyno-tuned the car to 410whp, and just before the 150-mile mark the turbine shaft bent on it's own and the turbo was junk. In other words, if you're going to push one of these turbos to the point where they're worth having, it's probably going to fail on you.


This all depends on how old the turbo is that you received from your friend. The very first SBR G-series turbos were actual Garrett units, then they were made by Turbonetics, and now Kinetic. The trend is that each time the manufacturer changed, quality went downhill a little more.

It's an older one Im sure. The exhaust side has a mitsu symbol on it. I've been running it daily on 23 psi and no more shaft play than when i stuck it in. Also I drive through greensburg all day I work at beverage wherehouse. But to be honest I don't know much abought it suposively it came of a guy named adam who worked at slowboy. He was claiming 11s on his awd 1g.

Also He said it came from Turbonetics but I didn't understand how it could have so many names for it.

jusmx141 said:

They're made by Kinetic, one step above the Chinese turbos you find on eBay. They do not contain ANY Garrett parts.

I had a customer who installed a new SBR / Kinetic G60 on his car, dyno-tuned the car to 410whp, and just before the 150-mile mark the turbine shaft bent on it's own and the turbo was junk. In other words, if you're going to push one of these turbos to the point where they're worth having, it's probably going to fail on you.


This all depends on how old the turbo is that you received from your friend. The very first SBR G-series turbos were actual Garrett units, then they were made by Turbonetics, and now Kinetic. The trend is that each time the manufacturer changed, quality went downhill a little more.

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Justin,

There is some bad info here - problem is if I argue with you I get James Harrison type treatment so I cannot do it on a public forum.

Make sure you post things in a different manner, say things like "In my opinion" - or "I believe" - and not say things so "matter of fact".

Kinetic/ADP has made these turbos for me since 2002 as an FYI. Kinetic was a company spawned from ADP originally just to supply SBR The product we have been using has been the same for the past 3.5 or 4 years.

The three companies you mention, the CHRA's all come mostly from the same place overseas. What changes is thrust bearing and the collars, the material Kinetic/ADP uses is much better than your typical eBay turbo.

In my opinion, turbine shafts do not bend on there own - it's simply not possible - however I do understand the need to point fingers - when in doubt, it's Slowboy's fault! It's more fun that way I get it!

Mike Huml

Well since your slowboy do you have any input on my question or who this Adam was with the red awd 1g or any info on the turbo?

Slowboy said:

There is some bad info here - problem is if I argue with you I get James Harrison type treatment so I cannot do it on a public forum.

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My Private Message box always has space worthy of fulfillment.

Slowboy said:

Make sure you post things in a differnt manner, say things like "In my opinion" - or "I believe" - and not say things so "matter of fact".

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I report only things I've seen with my own eyes. In this case, I'm reporting only about one obvious defective G60 unit that I've received which was a Kinetic-built unit.

I've had more than a few of the old SBR G50 turbos that were actual Garrett units which were still going strong after 10+ years of service....nothing to be ashamed about there. Many of these were still working fine, they just had simple turbine seal leaks or thrust plate wear and the owner wanted it fixed before the problem got worse. None of their turbine wheels bent or broke, however.

Slowboy said:

In my opinion, yurbine shafts do not bend on there own - it's simply not possible - however I do understand the need to point fingers - when in doubt, it's Slowboy's fault! It's more fun that way I get it!

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You're right....no turbo company ever sells a defective product. I suppose all the people badmouthing the HX40's for turbine breakage or the PTE 6152E customer I had which had the turbine wheel break off on him at THREE miles (the turbine wheel didn't even have the indexing paint burnt off yet) all were abusing their turbos somehow or had something go through it even though there was no turbine inducer damage.

I suppose I'm a magnet for the only few defective SBR products which exist in the world.

jusmx141 said:

My Private Message box always has space worthy of fulfillment.

I report only things I've seen with my own eyes. In this case, I'm reporting only about one obvious defective G60 unit that I've received which was a Kinetic-built unit.

I've had more than a few of the old SBR G50 turbos that were actual Garrett units which were still going strong after 10+ years of service....nothing to be ashamed about there. Many of these were still working fine, they just had simple turbine seal leaks or thrust plate wear and the owner wanted it fixed before the problem got worse. None of their turbine wheels bent or broke, however.


You're right....no turbo company ever sells a defective product. I suppose all the people badmouthing the HX40's for turbine breakage or the PTE 6152E customer I had which had the turbine wheel break off on him at THREE miles (the turbine wheel didn't even have the indexing paint burnt off yet) all were abusing their turbos somehow or had something go through it even though there was no turbine inducer damage.

I suppose I'm a magnet for the only few defective SBR products which exist in the world.

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Fact - if a turbo had a bent shaft it would not have lasted a mile let alone 150.

Fact - never seen a turbo with a bent shaft that I did not create due to some misfortune of my own.

50trimgst said:

Well since your slowboy do you have any input on my question or who this Adam was with the red awd 1g or any info on the turbo?

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I am sorry, I don't know Adam - but I know a lot of people with red 1G's, but that does not help either

Sorry!

If it's been running for as long as you say it has, I think you answered your own reliability question. Keep them well oiled and keep squirrels out of the compressor wheel.

I can't believe I found this photo - old school ADP (PRE-Kinetic), this was my first of many trips to BC (where I did not learn to ski, but fell down the mountain as graceful as possible).



If the turbine shaft was bent - it would not have made it past this stage.

Old school - now who has some Eddie Money?

Mike Huml

I'm still wondering some basic info on the turbo like who do I turn to when I need a rebuild kit since no one has a clue who made it. And I ask abought the red 1g simple because he said he worked for you guys up here in pa I guess he built some of your trannys.

It's not a big deal I'm putting an hx40 on in spring. And by daily I'm mean 400-500 miles I wouldn't call that reliable maybe 2 years I would call reliable.

Slowboy said:

Fact - if a turbo had a bent shaft it would not have lasted a mile let alone 150.

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If the turbine shaft was bent - it would not have made it past this stage.

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You're right, meaning the turbo would not have made boost at all from when it was brand new....instead the turbo in question made boost just fine for shy of 150 miles when the turbine wheel decided it had enough fun and proceeded to separate itself from the turbine shaft.

Nothing entered the turbine housing from the engine...the turbine simply failed. The customer eventually ended up selling me the turbo for parts after I told him that it couldn't be repaired in a cost-effective manner, and bought a FP 68HTA which is still on his car to this day.

Now you're going to ask why he didn't ship it back to you for repair- the turbo was indeed bought by him in new condition, but it was bought second-hand from a previous owner who was the original purchaser....and the new owner was sure that Slowboy would not honor any warranty being that he was not the original owner.

It's still sitting down at the shop, although I've since scrapped the parts that were not worthy of use otherwise you could inspect the turbine and perhaps we could get your take on what happened. I'd also be more than happy to rebuild it for you using Genuine Garrett parts and sell it back to you if you're interested.

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Fact - never seen a turbo with a bent shaft that I did not create due to some misfortune of my own.

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You're building turbos in-house these days?

50trimgst said:

I'm still wondering some basic info on the turbo like who do I turn to when I need a rebuild kit since no one has a clue who made it.

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Any T04E Garrett kit will work as that's what I've used in the past for customers' Kinetic / SBR G50/60's. The wheels can also be swapped with Genuine Garrett parts in the event of a problem....everything is made to Garrett-spec, but it's they are not Garrett parts.

I have a G50 on my car that I have had for multiple years now. I have not had any problems with it. Mine is one of the Turbonetics versions. You should be able to tell if your's has a Turbonetics CHRA just by looking at it. Mine has the Turbonetics T on the CHRA.

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I have a G50 on my car that I have had for multiple years now. I have not had any problems with it. Mine is one of the Turbonetics versions. You should be able to tell if your's has a Turbonetics CHRA just by looking at it. Mine has the Turbonetics T on the CHRA.

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These were great turbos as well....especially if you're lucky enough to get one with the "Big Shaft" turbine like TalonDave once owned. The turbine shafts are twice as durable as their standard T31 brethren.

Mike, what happened to Turbonetics being the main supplier of turbo(s) for SBR?

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You're building turbos in-house these days?

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Nope but weve disassembled many that were bad or "bad", none of which ever had a bent shaft, even the ones that had the thrust bearing melted to the shaft from getting so hot due to oil starvation.

Its just not possible for a turbine shaft to bend....worst turbo i saw was a 14b that literally exploded the compressor wheel, and the turbine wheel and shaft fell into the 02 housing, i inspected it, and actually used it to repair a small 16g that i had that had a busted up turbine wheel from a washer that fell into the exhaust housing when doing a manifold swap

Pretty much guaranteeing the shaft didnt just bend for no reason.

In my area it's popular for the big guys to show off their turbo power via the stutterbox.
You know how the V8 guys will do a huge, smokey burnout as a way of intimidating their opponent, right? Well the big turbo guys like to stand on the stutterbox until wheels and shafts break off.

I'm sure this doesn't happen anywhere else.... :whistle:

no ive never seen anyone do that either

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Its just not possible for a turbine shaft to bend.

Pretty much guaranteeing the shaft didnt just bend for no reason.

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You're not picking up what I'm putting down.

The shaft itself did not bend in the middle, somewhere inside the turbine housing....it bent right where the turbine wheel is fused on the shaft, exactly what happens right before the wheel breaks off. I'm referring to the part as the shaft when actually the wheel is what bent, even though the whole thing comes as one assembly.

The turbo showed no sign of an oiling issue, the turbine wheel just couldn't take the heat (most likely due to inferior materials being used or a shaft assembly that wasn't heat-treated properly) and as a result the wheel began to break loose from the shaft. The owner quickly shut the car down when he lost boost....had he kept going, the turbine wheel would have ended up somewhere in the exhaust.

Regardless, the turbine wheel breaking off of a turbo with under 150 miles is poor service at best. How would you feel if you were the owner of such a turbo and had the same happen to you?

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You're not picking up what I'm putting down.

The shaft itself did not bend in the middle, somewhere inside the turbine housing....it bent right where the turbine wheel is fused on the shaft, exactly what happens right before the wheel breaks off. I'm referring to the part as the shaft when actually the wheel is what bent, even though the whole thing comes as one assembly.

The turbo showed no sign of an oiling issue, the turbine wheel just couldn't take the heat (most likely due to inferior materials being used or a shaft assembly that wasn't heat-treated properly) and as a result the wheel began to break loose from the shaft. The owner quickly shut the car down when he lost boost....had he kept going, the turbine wheel would have ended up somewhere in the exhaust.

Regardless, the turbine wheel breaking off of a turbo with under 150 miles is poor service at best. How would you feel if you were the owner of such a turbo and had the same happen to you?

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I understand your need to argue - did you ever post any pictures of said unit or send back to Kinetic for inspection?

I understand you are an expert and all, but I am curious if you did get a real expert's opinion!

Mike Huml

SBR Joe said:

Nope but weve disassembled many that were bad or "bad", none of which ever had a bent shaft, even the ones that had the thrust bearing melted to the shaft from getting so hot due to oil starvation.

Its just not possible for a turbine shaft to bend....worst turbo i saw was a 14b that literally exploded the compressor wheel, and the turbine wheel and shaft fell into the 02 housing, i inspected it, and actually used it to repair a small 16g that i had that had a busted up turbine wheel from a washer that fell into the exhaust housing when doing a manifold swap

Pretty much guaranteeing the shaft didnt just bend for no reason.

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I made the mistake of picking up a 14B turbine wheel once after it was left in my muffler.... it was probably an inferior product as well, god knows it was damn hot!

Mike Huml

I'm just gonna say there junk cause all there doing is defending it and i asked simple questions like what's peak boost and who to turn to when it needs a rebuild kit. I herd enough abought slowboy from some of there employees that didn't move to Florida with them.

Screw it I'm getting holset.

50trimgst said:

I'm just gonna say there junk cause all there doing is defending it and i asked simple questions like what's peak boost and who to turn to when it needs a rebuild kit. I herd enough abought slowboy from some of there employees that didn't move to Florida with them.

Screw it I'm getting holset.

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Considering you bought/ traded/ bartered for a used turbo - was this supposed to hurt my feelings?

Gosh I hope not - go buy another used turbo and then ask to get help, and maybe this time ask for an original purchase receipt so we don't have to guess where or who you bought it from!

Put your car on the dyno, find out the answers to many of your questions and more!

Or we can sit here and bench race and play pin the tail on the donkey.

Mike Huml

I had a friend go mid 11's at around 120mph on pumpgas with a full weight 2g on a G50. I'm not sure how long it lasted, but I don't remember it being a problem. She actually sold the turbo after she upgraded to a gt3X turbo.

Why do you get defensive, I asked a question and you of all people won't answer just bicker. I have yet to have any problems with it I just wanna know some info about it that's all.

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I understand your need to argue - did you ever post any pictures of said unit or send back to Kinetic for inspection?

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Again, at that point it was a waste of time. If you had read above, you would understand why:

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Now you're going to ask why he didn't ship it back to you for repair- the turbo was indeed bought by him in new condition, but it was bought second-hand from a previous owner who was the original purchaser....and the new owner was sure that Slowboy would not honor any warranty being that he was not the original owner.

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With me being now the third owner of this unit which has under 150 miles on it and no paperwork trail from the past two owners, I doubt there is shit that Kinetic or Slowboy Racing is going to do for me.

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I understand you are an expert and all, but I am curious if you did get a real expert's opinion!

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My opinion matters more to me than what the builder of the turbo is going to tell me. They're going to make some bullshit excuse about oiling just like every turbo that has ever been sent back to PTE. Turbine wheels don't fall off shortly after making 400+whp due to lack of oil.

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I made the mistake of picking up a 14B turbine wheel once after it was left in my muffler.... it was probably an inferior product as well, god knows it was damn hot!

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Possibly, the the more likely explaination would be that the turbine wheel broke as a result of pushing a 10+-year-old turbo with over 100K miles of use beyond it's potential.

I'm not saying all SBR G50's are bad....more like they used to be good.

50trimgst said:

Why do you get defensive, I asked a question and you of all people won't answer just bicker. I have yet to have any problems with it I just wanna know some info about it that's all.

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I would start by asking the guy you bought it from for a receipt. Then we can see what it is for you!

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Again, at that point it was a waste of time. If you had read above, you would understand why:

With me being now the third owner of this unit which has under 150 miles on it and no paperwork trail from the past two owners, I doubt there is shit that Kinetic or Slowboy Racing is going to do for me.

My opinion matters more to me than what the builder of the turbo is going to tell me. They're going to make some bullshit excuse about oiling just like every turbo that has ever been sent back to PTE. Turbine wheels don't fall off shortly after making 400+whp due to lack of oil.

Possibly, the the more likely explaination would be that the turbine wheel broke as a result of pushing a 10+-year-old turbo with over 100K miles of use beyond it's potential.

I'm not saying all SBR G50's are bad....more like they used to be good.

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So wait - you are the third owner of a turbo that is for sure an SBR G50 and it only has "150 miles" on it.

Donkey's have wings and pigs fly too - so before you BS about a hand me down turbo, not one hand off, not two - but you are the THIRD owner and it "supposedly" has 150 miles on it - and you are not good enough to send pictures because we are going to make a "bullshit excuse" - and becuase your "expert" opinion matter more than the original builders?

Are you serious? - Welcome to DSMtuner's everyone.

HEHE - this is some good shit, now go play in someone else's post before I get very aggravated at all the BS you are slinging about my products!

50trimgst said:

I'm just gonna say there junk cause all there doing is defending it and i asked simple questions like what's peak boost and who to turn to when it needs a rebuild kit. I herd enough abought slowboy from some of there employees that didn't move to Florida with them.

Screw it I'm getting holset.

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Im the only one that didnt move to FL....what did you hear from me exactly? Just wonderin.