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future mods-interior, removeing the dash and gauge cluster

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pazsion

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Aug 9, 2008
richmond, Virginia
I want to remove my dashboard and old gauge cluster and replace it with just a cell phone or touch screen all in one pc..

gotta be over 100lbs of weight in that thing.. are there any how to's in removing this?


Does anyone know of software or droid apps etc that can be used as gauges for a car?

maybe gps speedometer.. not sure how i'm gonna do the tachometer.. that may need to be a digital gauge since i'm assumeing it needs to be hooked up to a vaccume line and isn't electrical?

tho when the battery is almost dead the tach messes up.. so is the tach on these cars electrical?

Do i need to keep all the indicator lights? for it to run or pass inspection?

does anyone have a completely torn out talon? have you ever had problems getting it inspected?

95 talon esi y series
 
these dashes weigh nowhere near 100lbs. sure they're heavy but not 100 lbs. i'd say more in the 50-75 range if that. and why would you use a cell phone as your gauges? that seems kind of silly in my mind. just get new digital gauges or something to make it looks nice or whatever.
 
#1 You MIGHT save 50lbs including the support beam and center console and radio etc...
#2 no apps exist for droid that will give you all you need although "dynomaster" will give you some gauges, and one called speedo isn't bad but that's all it is.
#3 dsmlink or evo scan may give you some options for functionality. Evoscan has a gps unit available that has gauges built in.
#4 most states have laws that will prevent you from passing inspection if you have that drastic of a mod to the dash. Especially removing airbags.
#5 you will have serious clusterf@ck of wires and connectors that will need to be tucked somewhere or terminated properly. I can't even begin to guess what kind of electrical issues you may run into.

I suggest either scrapping the idea or using the car for racing only. Your asking for some serious drivibility issues with a project like that.
 
All that for a non turbo?
 
All that for a non turbo?

turbo or non-turbo... i wouldn't be ripping the dash out for shits and giggles. it's not the hardest thing in the world to do, but it's still a pain in the ass. to rip your dash out and your gauge cluster out to 'try' to do something else, it would just be creating way more work for yourself and just be a royal pain to keep up with. not only could you probably never get it inspected ever again, and therefore never drive it (legally) like ever, but what would be the real point?
 
Ktgurl is right. This mod is not only pointless it would also make a ton more work for you. IF your wanted to do this properly youd have to rewire pretty much the whole chassis and get some guages from autometer or wherever! Not to mention the time consumption it takes to rewire the harness. Trust me, been there done that. PAIN IN THE ASS! Also IF you were to do this you might as well make it a track only car and put in a cage and build a badass motor. My .02
 
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If u want to do something do this, I mean ## your own,
But that's rediclous, ## saving 60 pounds with ceneter console and guage cluster, and it would be as ulgy as a smurfs ,booty. Look at every backyard race car. They all have dashes LOL, just spice urs up, get rid of hvac put guages redo ## cluster with lights. Wrap ## dash in fabric such as leather. But there no reason to get rid of it, at all! But ## ## own.

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Why not leave the dash and strip everything else out but a drivers seat if ## worried bout weight reduction. The interior and seats are gonna be way more weight then ## dash.
 
turbo or non-turbo... i wouldn't be ripping the dash out for shits and giggles. it's not the hardest thing in the world to do, but it's still a pain in the ass. to rip your dash out and your gauge cluster out to 'try' to do something else, it would just be creating way more work for yourself and just be a royal pain to keep up with. not only could you probably never get it inspected ever again, and therefore never drive it (legally) like ever, but what would be the real point?

I fully agree with you; it's still even more ridiculous of an idea imo if the car's N/T.
 
I fully agree with you; it's still even more ridiculous of an idea imo if the car's N/T.

I think it's ridiculous in any case other than a car that sees track time only. Removing even 100lbs is = to like what? .1 seconds off a 1/4? I don't remember the exact estimate of it. I'd much rather have the full dash board infront of me while I drive the car.
 
You would also be romoving your VIN plave, and that's asking for a big mess with the police if you ever got pulled over. They will think the car is stolen and arrest you on the spot.

sorry dude, but this is just an all around bad idea. The dash really only weighs like 30-40lbs. It's not worth all of the hassle.
 
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All that for a narrowband o2 sensor? :ohdamn: Looks good but I'm not sure how much functionality your getting with a narrowband gauge.

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If u want to do something do this, I mean ## your own,
But that's rediclous, ## saving 60 pounds with ceneter console and guage cluster, and it would be as ulgy as a smurfs ,booty. Look at every backyard race car. They all have dashes LOL, just spice urs up, get rid of hvac put guages redo ## cluster with lights. Wrap ## dash in fabric such as leather. But there no reason to get rid of it, at all! But ## ## own.

This is pretty cool, but what about your warning lights?
 
yea... stupid inspection laws would be the only thing keeping me from doing this, and keeping it on the street.. =c If your right about the cluster freak.. then it's probably best to leave the dash in the car.

even if i put it in for inspection, then removed it.. a cop seeing it would ticket me. for improper equipment or lack there of, even if proper gauges were there..

100lbs weight loss would be beneficial for turbo or NA and final 1/4 mile or 600ft times would still depend on reaction times, HP/tq, traction and many other variables. It would increase lbs/HP ratio regardless. If all needless things were removed from the car you could shave over 1200lbs maybe

the door panels and interior plastic save alot of weight too.. the door panels are like 15lbs each. still have to remove the lock motors. And get manual window cranks installed, then remove hvac, i'm gonna replace that with a much lighter and lower wattage system that works better.. can't do without some sorta de-fogging methods.. rain-x anti-fog just doesn't work all the time. then replace the seats. i'm thinking about removeing the passenger seat. I put most of the stuff back in just in case it wouldn't pass without it..


saving weight remains the goal.

Just thought i'd run it by people who knew best. guess the dash is staying in this street car =c

so far i've removed the powersteering, and ac.
mounts, belts, pipeing. i estimate shaved 30-75lbs

door panels, back seat foam and backing probably 30lbs on it's own.(the heavyest thing inside the car so far!)

50-75 lbs.

80-150lbs has been removed so far.

our ET / MPH computed from your vehicle weight of 2639 pounds and HP of 160 is 14.83 seconds and MPH of 90.36 MPH.

using this calculator:
ET-MPH-HP Calculator


Your Power:Weight Ratio is 1 : 16.5

This means that for every 16.5 pounds of weight on your vehicle, you have 1 horsepower. For every 16lbs removed it would feel as if you gained 1 hp xD

Power to Weight Ratio Calculator

lets take the "dash" out or 80-100lbs


Your Power:Weight Ratio is 1 : 15.9
a gain of 6.5 hp.

Your ET / MPH computed from your vehicle weight of 2539 pounds and HP of 160 is 14.64 seconds and MPH of 91.53 MPH.

.19 off theoretical ET
and
1.17 mph xD

For some people that would be completely worth it.. others pointless...

but for me the most relevant data would be mpg gain.

Aerodynamic & rolling resistance, power & MPG calculator - EcoModder.com

removeing 100lbs would give me 10-15 mpg more up to 80 mph.

calculated without getting rolling resistence correct. But the biggest gains would be off the line of course.. exactly where i need to see mpg gain for stop and go traffic.
 
Dude, your dash does not weigh 100 lbs. It weighs 40 lbs TOPS. Have you ever held one of these dashes? They are actually pretty light. You're on the right track with gutting the interior though.
 
Another tip for you. I know my droid has an app i use called speed hub. Its just a speedo basically but if you buy the full version its supposed to be a all in one app for tuning, dyno, mileage, ect.
 
Remember "estimates" like that are always on the high side. Like Black Widow said..there is no way in hell our dashed weigh 100 lbs. I would say 30 tops! They are relatively light compared to other cars.

Either way, I agree with the general opinion above...this is a bad idea for a street car. Not to mention it will be ugly as all get out, your car is N/T (which makes it even more not worth it IMO).

Is it really worth it to drive around with no dash every day for ".19" seconds off your 1/4 mile time that your gonna see maybe a dozen times a year??
 
Remember "estimates" like that are always on the high side. Like Black Widow said..there is no way in hell our dashed weigh 100 lbs. I would say 30 tops! They are relatively light compared to other cars.

Either way, I agree with the general opinion above...this is a bad idea for a street car. Not to mention it will be ugly as all get out, your car is N/T (which makes it even more not worth it IMO).

Is it really worth it to drive around with no dash every day for ".19" seconds off your 1/4 mile time that your gonna see maybe a dozen times a year??

removing your dash will save about 30lbs or less...I removed mine,air bags and all
 
yes it would be worth it, if we had no stupid laws.. but we do.. so..

i'ma have to do something and remain stock look.. not much more i can do but take out hvac.. removeing supports would probably make the dash shaky and noisey.. and flimsy...

i don't see any significant ammount of metal supports anyway besides the center console...and the front cross beam?

so your saying most of the weight in this dash is the electric blower motor xD

i'm in virginia, every stop light here is a 1/4 mile run even if you don't want to participate..
did you see the pinks all out with the virginia boys running ?

"i've never seen a group of 400 guys, all get 0.00 reaction time, ever"

LOLs

I'd see a benefit every mile every day...
 
seriously... the dash itself isn't heavy. it's just bulky. you could i suppose remove the hvac stuff and the passenger airbag (NOT recommended) and just put the airbag cover back on. i've seen people do that. or i've also seen people remove the glove box itself and just put the door back on. there's little things you can do to shave weight. but if this isn't a track only car, what's the difference?

edit:
i'm in virginia, every stop light here is a 1/4 mile run even if you don't want to participate..
did you see the pinks all out with the virginia boys running ?

i used to live in virginia... and this is why i hate driving up there now. people in virginia are IDIOTS when it comes to driving. it seems like everytime i have to go up there, i see someone merge into a lane without even looking to see who is there! so many near-wrecks right in front of me. IDIOTS! /rant :)
 
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