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Technically you can. You would have to "root" the phone. From there you can really do whatever you want if you know what you're doing. It does void your warranty though, so might not be the best idea.

Yeah.

Although I'm a Windows software developer, I'm not familiar with Linux. (I did work on unix for a while about 20 years ago, FWIW LOL.

I'm sure I could figure it out, but I really don't want to take the chance of hosing it up and bricking it. From the few articles I saw on it, the process is a bit tedious.
 
Libraries are just binaries installed and used on demand by a process. If you kill a process that is using a library something else is using it's not going to hurt anything. It is loaded into memory again in the allocated memory space the program takes up.
 
Phones are pretty much not brickable anymore. The operating system is separate from the boot loader. Anything you can can do to it you can undo by just restoring to stock. Maybe it's different than the iPhone though, I have no experience with Android but I do with Linux.
 
Libraries are just binaries installed and used on demand by a process. If you kill a process that is using a library something else is using it's not going to hurt anything. It is loaded into memory again in the allocated memory space the program takes up.
Not sure if this was directed at me, but just in case: libraries are loaded on demand, and remain in shared memory as long as there's a running process that requires them. I don't think I suggested killing processes off would hurt anything; those libraries will remain in shared memory until the last process that needs them exits. (And I'm over-simplifying here, because Dalvik adds another layer of memory management on top of the OS dynamic loader.)

The point I was trying to make, though, is that when that last process exits and the library is no longer in shared memory, the next time you launch something that needs it, you'll be reading that library back out of the filesystem cache (highly unlikely if you're already manually working to keep memory use down) or directly from flash (painfully slow).

calan: it sounds like you might be confusing three types of memory in your phone. There's RAM, there's "internal storage" (flash), and there's "external storage" (SD card, also flash; iPhones need not apply :p).

Internal storage is something that G1 owners are painfully familiar with, because it has practically none, and all your apps installed there prior to Froyo (and a lot of them still do, unless you're rooted). It's the permanent storage that your phone came with for the OS, along with the apps that you install. This is what fills up on most people. It's functionally identical to external storage (your SD card), except you can't remove it or expand it.

RAM is the memory the running processes on your phone use. It's the temporary space used by everything from ATK to the launcher while those apps are running. Once they exit (ie. you kill them with ATK ;)), they're no longer consuming all of that RAM. In other words, you're only affecting RAM with your task killer, not the amount of internal storage on your phone.

Re: bricking, you can definitely brick a phone if you hose the SPL (like grub's second stage) on an Android phone during an upgrade (like, say, having something go wrong when switching an older phone to DangerSPL).
 
Droid X is still brickable. It has a fuseable link that literally self destructs if any of the things it checks is tampered with :( Motorola totally took the fun out of it
 
Wow Android phones are looking less and less appealing :). So internal storage is simple flash and not SSD?
 
The Mileage app seems pretty useful, but I haven't tried it yet. Only app I have paid for so far is TrackMaster, it'll map out tracks via GPS and record lap times tell you g-force, avergage speed, altitude, all kinds of cool shit! I haven't messed with it enough to figure it all out yet.

Wow Android phones are looking less and less appealing :). So internal storage is simple flash and not SSD?

What the hell is the difference? Other than I can take my SD card out, throw it in other devices, copy stuff etc?
 
Speed is the difference. SSD is technically flash but it's a lot faster than a flash card. I wouldn't want to load an operating system off a flash card.
 
So it's an SSD...not really slow at all. We are a long way away from having RAM speeds for storage if you want to compare, and by then RAM will still be faster.
 
Let's hear your favorites!

Damn you have a lot of pointless apps. Why are you using a task killer? Thats just stupid! Its Android, that defeats the entire purpose of the building blocks of Android. Android utilizes its memory different from Windows, Your killing tasks for no reason. When they aren't being used, they aren't using anything! They are just dead.

Opera Mini? Seriously. The Stock Browser wasn't good enough? Anyway Dolphin and something else is the best for android. And my brother who runs PlanetAMD64 and a new website that specializes in reviewing new technology says they aren't even that much better than the stock Android Browser.

Anyone using a barcode scanner should delete it and use Goggles. Its king! Does the same shit as Barcode scanner as well as tons of other cool shit that keeps freaking people out when they see it.

Live wallpapers are cool as #### when you know people with those iPhone paper weights. Useless and pointless but awesome!

But as for me, I have a FroYo Overclocked to 1.2ghz 48000mflops (oh yeah) Rooted and Completely unlocked Droid Incredible fully flashed to the cricket network on faster than 4g internet speeds (love the HTML Plan shit! Its awesome to shove in my brothers face that brags about his 3g internet speeds.)

Launcher Pro Plus with Fancy Widget (to Mimic the HTC Shit), Matrix Live Wallpaper with the font at minimum, black background and cyan font. Rock Divx Player, Ebay, FB, HTC Flashlight, Gmail, Goggles, Maps with Navigation, MySpace, Nesoid (yes I play Mario constantly!), Adobe Reader (for the Digital Service Manuals!), YouTube and Google Voice/Talk.

Nothing fancy smacy. I may have a lot of Ram, Rom and Internal Memory as well as a huge SD Card, But I don't see any use of having pointless stupid apps. Except for a Cylon (Battlestar Gallactica) Bobble head just cause I'm a fraking nerd!

Wow Android phones are looking less and less appealing :).

Why because they are GOD!?!?

Care to elaborate? Everything I have read explains why you SHOULD run a task manager app. I use it all the time to manually kill orphaned processes, and to automatically clean it up once a day or so.
And where did you read that? On Someone's butt? EVERY Android forum or website that actually isn't a sack of shit gives a shit tone of reasons why!
Also, how much effort is it to get into the OS so I can delete some of the factory loaded apps that are just taking up memory?

Unless your rooted, impossible. Phone must be rooted so you can get superuser privileges and then you can easily delete apps your not using that were factory default.

Still waiting for a reason for this. :)

FAQ: Why You Shouldn't Be Using a Task Killer with Android

Why you don't need a task killer app with Android. « AndroidSPIN | Your No.1 source for Everything Android.

So it's an SSD...not really slow at all. We are a long way away from having RAM speeds for storage if you want to compare, and by then RAM will still be faster.

Oh no, they are pretty fraking fast.
 
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Damn you have a lot of pointless apps.

Thanks for that incredible nugget of wisdom.

If they were "pointless" (for me), I wouldn't be running them.

Why are you using a task killer? Thats just stupid!

I explained that a few posts back. Some of us don't have an uber-cool-look-at-me-Frodo/Gollum/whatever-overclocked-rooted Incredible with 213687G of memory.

BTW - Did you happen to read all the responses at the bottom of the article you linked to, or did you just read the article itself and jump on the bandwagon? Response #8 is pretty typical, and he makes some very good points.

But... I will be looking into it more, after reading Logic's and TRSblader's very informative posts.

Opera Mini? Seriously. The Stock Browser wasn't good enough?

Yes, seriously. I like it much better than the stock browser or Dolphin.

Anyone using a barcode scanner should delete it and use Goggles.

I have Goggles. It's cool, but sometimes locks up the phone.

Live wallpapers are cool as #### when you know people with those iPhone paper weights. Useless and pointless but awesome!

I have no live wallpapers.

And where did you read that? On Someone's butt?

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.

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Excellent post...lots of useful input! :rolleyes:
 
Speed is the difference. SSD is technically flash but it's a lot faster than a flash card. I wouldn't want to load an operating system off a flash card.

i doubt youd notice a difference in speed/stability.
 
Thanks for that incredible nugget of wisdom.
Excellent post...lots of useful input!

Your very much welcome! I'm here all week!

Its all been proven! Just because someone believes their battery is going to be enhanced or is being enhanced by a task killer doesn't mean shit. The Apps technically aren't running at all when aren't being used. Open an app, say web browser with some kinda audio flash running, playlist.com or youtube.com and then just click home. Or A flashlight, click home. It shuts off unless its a program designed to stay running in background. Linux Allocates its memory completely different.

My rom, my overclock, my root has nothing to do with it. Well it somewhat does, FroYo is much more advanced than Eclair. But it still doesn't matter.

:thumb:

i doubt youd notice a difference in speed/stability.

To the naked eye, no prob not. BUT Linux/Android, hell even the all mighty Windows OS notices the difference in speed. Android Phones are so damn fast in managing memory, lots of tasks like rooting and other major modifications require a slow card just because Linux moves around too fast. Hard to explain, but you'd have to research it.
 
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To the naked eye, no prob not. BUT Linux/Android, hell even the all mighty Windows OS notices the difference in speed. Android Phones are so damn fast in managing memory, lots of tasks like rooting and other major modifications require a slow card just because Linux moves around too fast. Hard to explain, but you'd have to research it.

Well considering id only be viewing the phone with my naked eye..........I dont see how it would matter.
 
I wear a monocle...will I see a difference?
 
the cop radar app is pretty awesome, i cant remember what its called exactly but is pretty sweet.
 
Task managers are worthless. If Google themselves say to avoid using Task Managers on Android, that is good enough for me.

I am on my 6th Android phone, love them and never have needed task managers for them to run perfect.

G1, MyTouch, European Hero, Moto Droid, Droid X, Droid Incredible.
 
Task managers are worthless. If Google themselves say to avoid using Task Managers on Android, that is good enough for me.

I am on my 6th Android phone, love them and never have needed task managers for them to run perfect.

G1, MyTouch, European Hero, Moto Droid, Droid X, Droid Incredible.

How come so many?
 
If anyone is interested I just saw a video about Chinese invent the ipad first. Talked about how apple took the idea from them. Anyway you can get a 7" pad that runs android for 100$ on ebay. Looks cool. Give us reviews if you get one!

Sent from my Eris using Tapatalk
 
Trapster? Its ok I guess. Locations are saved to long.

Agreed. I was driving back to my parents mid august of this year and it popped up a warning with 1 sighting. Thinking hey maybe I should slow down I did so while tapping to see how old the posting was.... it was from early june. A bit ridiculous if you ask me. Otherwise I like it.
 
Well considering id only be viewing the phone with my naked eye..........I dont see how it would matter.

Read the rest of the post! To Humans the speed isn't noticeable but to the phone itself, to the hardware itself is very noticeable. When Rooting a phone using the SD Card, you must use an old, sloooooowwwww SD Card so the system can actually connect with it. If you don't, system just flies right by it and you fail. I've rooted soooo many phones and every one of them would not work with a fast SD Card. Had to use some old ass 512mb card I found from back in the day of the MotoRAZR.
 
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