extremeatheist said:

I lose my job and my license if I get one more ticket so I am careful about my driving.

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Just out of curiosity, why so many points on your license?

Thomas91169 said:

speed doesnt kill. If it did, every human would be limited to XX amount of speed otherwise they would just insta-die.

lets all remember physics people. Its not the fall that kills you, its the instant stop at the end when you hit the ground.

Just umm, dont #### up. If youre going to speed, you gotta be paying attention (not talking on the cell phone doing 80 in a 55) and doing "due diligence" (swear if i hear that phrase again in this thread......) as necessary at those speeds.

All you people worried about your kids in the street and people driving fast, maybe you should move to a better neighborhood and off of main street. We NEVER had cars driving down our street as kids, and if they did, it was people that lived there. And when we saw the car, we would jump onto the sidewalk as fast as possible. We were also taught "look both ways before crossing" which seems ol' grampy in that video lacked doing. I dont cite that driver at fault, wether or not he was doing 55 or 25 he still wouldve hit the geezer. Old guy needs to do his "due diligence" maybe.

Ill have to watch the rest of the video (was having issues buffering last night on wireless) and breakdown each scenario. The last one i saw was the dude that rear ended the lady who in turn killed some kids mom, which is total bullshit at the 5mph she might have gotten up to from being rear ended at a complete stop. Ive WITNESSED people get hit by a Mack truck at 35mph and walk away.

And the whole "Evanescence" song just adds to give you that sad reaction. Put some A7X in the vid and see what happens, people will start taking kill tallies.


btw, i see alot of Hypocrites in this thread talking about not speeding.

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Dude YOU are missing the point. Yes all of us speed at one time or another. So yes were all wrong. MOST of us are pickey about where we do it and choose a "safer" place. However IF your speeding and get involved in an accident then your at fault just as mich as the child who walked out without looking or the mother who is doing her makeup. See speed limits are designed to heep traffic flowing as efficiently as possible while at the same time trying to keep it within the safe average limits of human driving skill and reaction time. So on a road that the speed limit is 35mph that your doing 70 on while racing your are SEVERAL times more likely to get into a fatal crash than say 5-10 mph over the limit. You can claim speed dont kill all you want and you just gotta pay attention and be a better driver YADA YADA YADA. All that is, is your pure immaturity and lack of adult responsibility showing. Grow up.
Also on your deal of saying that its the idiot drivers fault for pulling out or the pedestrians fault for not looking both ways. Yes THEY may have caused the accident, but the SPEED made it worse and quite often it was the SPEED that turned what would have been just a ticket and a trip to the body shop or the hospital to a trip to the morgue. THINK ABOUT IT!

tenn-gsx said:

Dude YOU are missing the point. Yes all of us speed at one time or another. So yes were all wrong. MOST of us are pickey about where we do it and choose a "safer" place. However IF your speeding and get involved in an accident then your at fault just as mich as the child who walked out without looking or the mother who is doing her makeup. See speed limits are designed to heep traffic flowing as efficiently as possible while at the same time trying to keep it within the safe average limits of human driving skill and reaction time. So on a road that the speed limit is 35mph that your doing 70 on while racing your are SEVERAL times more likely to get into a fatal crash than say 5-10 mph over the limit. You can claim speed dont kill all you want and you just gotta pay attention and be a better driver YADA YADA YADA. All that is, is your pure immaturity and lack of adult responsibility showing. Grow up.
Also on your deal of saying that its the idiot drivers fault for pulling out or the pedestrians fault for not looking both ways. Yes THEY may have caused the accident, but the SPEED made it worse and quite often it was the SPEED that turned what would have been just a ticket and a trip to the body shop or the hospital to a trip to the morgue. THINK ABOUT IT!

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@ this post. "immaturity" and "lack of adult responsibility" and "grow up". Shows who you are to say such things, like you know me. Pretty sure at my age I have a decent grasp of how things work. Not really tripping when some 19yo kid who has a virgin view of the world tells me to grow up.

i hope you people in glass houses dont throw stones.........

Thomas. . . Your post still shows immaturity. I don't know who you are except for your posts. And the last and preceeding has been rather immature. I'll not heckle you concerning your words YOU typed. But they stand on their own.

I truely hope you can see the right side and realize that speeding wrong. People jumping in front of you or not. The person that just darts in front of you, in car or in flesh, whill you're going 100mph is at fault for just not looking. But you still jeopardize your life and other lives for going 100mph in an uncontrolled environment, regardless of the moron who won't look both ways.

Everyone will drive how they want to drive, no one can really chance that except said person. I personally try to keep in within 5mph of the speed limit in residential areas and in local traffic, in highways it varies depending on how quickly the traffic is moving and how many cars are on the road with me. Its not really about if you kill yourself, but the other people you could hurt as well, now that I have a daughter I'm a little more aware of how I drive.

I do speed, I like pushing my cars on open roads, but when there's people around you have to calculate in the human factor. Not everyone is going to be thinking like you, you could be going 140 down the highway and have someone get on your lane (has happened to me) the reaction time to prevent a crash is minimal. 90% of those clips are fake, but its something that actually happens and quite often because of people who don't understand the responsibility of being in control of a vehicle, even at low speeds they can be quite deadly.

Im not going to get too much mor einto this with you. However your comments make you appear immature and lacking a grasp on the reality of what things contribute to making a car crash fatal. You can speculate on my age all you want. I assure you that I'm just a little older than 19 though. You say I have a virgin view of the world yet you claim that a speeding driver bears no fault in a fatal accident? Your perception of reality is very twisted here. Reality is that speeding kills more people than most any other aspect of a crash. I wonder why that is?

EDIT: I used to think the way that you appear to. Back when I was arround 19. You know what happened? I crashed. I was going well over the speed limit. Someone changed lanes and I tried to swerve. I couldnt react in time and 4 people ended up in the hospital including myself with a broken back. So I have a very up close and personal experence on what speed will do to a person on public roads.

I watched that video, and even though I know a lot of it is fake, it still conveys a strong message. I do agree that speeding is wrong. Personally I have a need for speed, but i rather have my license, and keep it clean (0 points for 8 years), then take the risk of speeding and loosing it.


Soon with obd3 speeding and not getting caught will be a thing of the past. Simply send you a ticket and summons in the mail.

OBD3 is going to really change how the automotive industry handles speeding and crashes. On top of that, if you don't pay your bill, such as car leases, they can shut your car off, better yet, not let you turn your cart the moment your bill is late.

big brother is watching

tenn-gsx said:

Reality is that speeding kills more people than most any other aspect of a crash. I wonder why that is?

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Because it is NOT the sudden stop that kills. It's the momentum change. Less momentum change at lower speeds. Simple Newtonian physics. Want to argue? Put your fingers flat on a table while I wield my 22ounce fatmax at various amounts of kinetic energy released. Kinetic Energy =1/2mass X velocity^2. I never miss a 'nail'. You may pull your hands away in time, but what if you're fooled? You're not perfect.

Speed may kill but i'd wager it saves just as many lives as it takes.

What the video didn't show is speed putting people where they need to be to avoid a hazard, or good handling actually saving some boy who runs out into the street at the wrong time.

You think a 2000 pound car is going to be nice to a little kid just because it's going 15-25 miles an hour? At least at highspeeds the death is instant.

I lost a lower a arm on my sister's 1985 monte carlo 12 years ago at typical interstate speeds. . . Sobering. It wasn't a difficult thing to control looking back. But loosing 70% of your steering control is fear inspiring. I say 70% because half the front I had control over; the other half wanted to go the opposite no matter what. I had to fight to steer with just one wheel plus fight another that wanted to go where ever.

ZenDSM said:

Speed may kill but i'd wager it saves just as many lives as it takes.

What the video didn't show is speed putting people where they need to be to avoid a hazard, or good handling actually saving some boy who runs out into the street at the wrong time.

You think a 2000 pound car is going to be nice to a little kid just because it's going 15-25 miles an hour? At least at highspeeds the death is instant.

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No one here is discussing speeding out of the way of a derailed locomotive.

No one here is discussing speeding out of the way of an accident, the drifting around a baby stroller in a park.

You actually think that speed saves jsut as many lives? To avoid the accident, you may have to speed. But what caused the accident or evasive/defensive maneuver? Likely speed, based on statistics.

Its reality people.... Stuff like this happens more than what we know. It kills me to think that could happen to me, my son, family and friends.

How many think of mechanical failure when driving fast? This is something you cant see and cannot predict. Accidents are going to happen, drivers are going to speed and pedestrians are not going to pay attention, but no one who has read this thread has any excuse for being like anyone in that vid. you seen it you discussed and argued about it you know what could happen. I have heard it said "If something happens the only one hurt will be me" well unless you have no family or no freinds that statement is false. I agree with DSM-ONSTER on all points.

So the average human takes 0.7-1.5 seconds to recognize an emergency and push the brake.
so lets use one second for this scenario.
At 25mph you will tavel 37 feet before you even touch the brake
At 35mph you will tavel 51 feet before you even touch the brake
At 45mph you will tavel 66 feet before you even touch the brake
At 55mph you will tavel 81 feet before you even touch the brake
At 65mph you will tavel 95 feet before you even touch the brake
At 75mph you will tavel 110 feet before you even touch the brake
At 90mph you will tavel 132 feet before you even touch the brake
At 100mph you will tavel 147 feet before you even touch the brake
At 120mph you will tavel 176 feet before you even touch the brake
At 150mph you will tavel 220 feet before you even touch the brake

I know that some people here are faster than average. But lets think about this for a second. Most people traveling at 60 mph will travel arround 90 feet before they touch the brakes Then add another 120.5 feet average to come to a complete stop in a strait line.(this distance will be slightly longer if your swerving or turning while braking) That is a total of 210.5 feet average to recognize a hazard hit the brakes and completely stop from 60mph. Now if your in a congested area or someone is expecting you to be ding 30 or 40 mph and pull sout from a intersection there is a very good chance that the SPEED that your traveling at will eat up the distance and cause an accident efore you can do anything about it. Even as a skilled driver in a good handling car. Facts are facts folks. Speed causes accidents because of 3 things.
1. The amount of ground you cover in a short period of time.
2. Limiting factors of the average human reaction time.
3. The faster your moving when you hit something or someone the more damage it will do to that something or someone.

You can argue about how good you are or how well your car handles, but the truth is that if you speed all the time. It is just a matter of time before your end up in a serious, possibly fatal car crash.

Complete and totally irrifutable arguement against speeding and street racing is above.

calan said:

Just out of curiosity, why so many points on your license?

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About 2 years ago I was driving home from the next town over on a 4 lane road, I was in the right lane next to an f350 I had the cruise set right between 55 and 60, speed limit was 55, been beside the truck for miles, I see a cop heading the opposite direction, check my speed to be sure, he swerves across the median and pulls me, claims I was doing 80. there is 4 points

113 in a 55, that I actually did, there's a long straight empty section of road that has concrete barriers on both sides, I was checking out the new intercooler set up in my z. Jail and 4 more points.

I was following a cop in the opposite lane for a few miles on my way home and about 1/2 mile from home he decides to slow down and pull me for 72 in a 55. Video shows I was speeding, I should have check my speedo. The officer didn't like my argument that he was going the same speed I was for miles. 4 more points.
1 more point and no license for a year. I have a lawyer working on this one but if I can't get it reduced the 4 points stick.


When I first started driving I had a 91 talon, I got it up to 130 at 4am, I came up on a car doing 45, That is scary.

Now that I have 2 kids I'm not reckless anymore.

350war said:

How many think of mechanical failure when driving fast?

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I had a ball joint break on a civic at 60, that was fun. I managed to get it over into the grass. I didn't even bother to fix it I towed it to the scrap yard.

I think every fresh 16year old driver needs to watch this before he steps in a car with more than 80hp, shoot any car for that matter...

SpawnedX said:

Yeah, I had to fight back the tears.

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I've seen this and thought the video was ####ing stupid for many reasons. But maybe i do qualify for the heartless asshole category, regardless though why does these dumb ass video's with super sad music show up everywhere

ZenDSM said:

Speed may kill but i'd wager it saves just as many lives as it takes.

What the video didn't show is speed putting people where they need to be to avoid a hazard, or good handling actually saving some boy who runs out into the street at the wrong time.

You think a 2000 pound car is going to be nice to a little kid just because it's going 15-25 miles an hour? At least at highspeeds the death is instant.

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Of all the goofy dumb-ass posts in this thread...this one takes the cake hands down.

I enjoy these threads. They're the Safe Havens where people can actually be opinionated and 'hate' on each other for someone that the site condones; Going slow in public places!

Let's just make DSM's illegal to drive on the street while we're at it.

Listen, sure... speeding CAN lead to accidents. 98% of the time a wreck is caused because someone was being stupid, regardless of speed. The other 2% is due to mechanical failure.

Let's go ahead and bash on changing lanes without signals. Not looking before you take off from the stop sign. Answering your cell phone. Getting a BJ while driving. Doing a U-Turn on Main Street. Recording stuff in your car while driving(wow, that one rules out 75% of the members of this site). And finally pointing at some amazing event/item outside of the confines of your car and going "Ooooo"

Speeding doesn't cause wrecks : The idiot behind the wheel does. When you think you're Speed Racer, remember that you're not driving the Mach 5.

There is a lot of sad ignorance in this post.

Just to let you know, any accident you are in while speeding, you are found at fault by law.

They did a test, a 20 mile trip, 5 runs on average of 60 MPH, and 5 at average of 100 MPH, the 100 MPH runs averaged only 33 seconds shorter ride than the 60 MPH runs. Speeding to get somewhere 33 seconds faster and exponentially raising the risk all around. Seems worth it right?

If you think you have "skills" then please go to an SCCA road race event, where you will find out that you have none.

This is pretty simple, if you are doing 100 MPH and practicing due diligence as you call it, and a car pulls out in front of you for whatever reason. You probably could have stopped in time or reduced your speed enough to avoid serious personal injury. However, because you were overconfident and not mature, you ended up slamming into that car and killing yourself and others.

The person who pulled out in front of you should have been more careful, but most people can't judge speed anyway from the distances that would have to be involved in that situation and probably thought you were going a reasonable speed.

You can have a carrying permit from a gun, and if I see you have a gun I probably shouldn't walk in front of you. However, if I do walk in front of you and you shot that gun and I got hit and died instead of say someone trying to kill you on the other side of me, the law holds YOU 100% responsible for my death. The same laws apply here.

XiKeiyaZI said:

I enjoy these threads. They're the Safe Havens where people can actually be opinionated and 'hate' on each other for someone that the site condones; Going slow in public places!

Let's just make DSM's illegal to drive on the street while we're at it.

Listen, sure... speeding CAN lead to accidents. 98% of the time a wreck is caused because someone was being stupid, regardless of speed. The other 2% is due to mechanical failure.

Let's go ahead and bash on changing lanes without signals. Not looking before you take off from the stop sign. Answering your cell phone. Getting a BJ while driving. Doing a U-Turn on Main Street. Recording stuff in your car while driving(wow, that one rules out 75% of the members of this site). And finally pointing at some amazing event/item outside of the confines of your car and going "Ooooo"

Speeding doesn't cause wrecks : The idiot behind the wheel does. When you think you're Speed Racer, remember that you're not driving the Mach 5.

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That's why speed limits were created. Someone determined that at the posted speed you would have enough time and distance to react to these everyday events in fashion likely to not kill people.

I like how every professional motorsport racing in the world has a black flag when there is an accident or potential road issue. That means the professionals, the guys guaranteed to be better than you, agree that unknowns mean that speed needs to be reduced to a point where they can react appropriately. Tell those guys they are wrong and unskilled.

If speeding doesn't cause accidents, tell that to the guy who has his Toyota Camy rocking at 120-MPH on tires rated for 101 max (at short intervals) when they blow out and he flips over and kills the baby in the backseat of the car next to him.

I gotta say, that from my experience at least, that tuners, true actual tuners/car enthusiasts, what have you, are some of the best drivers on the road, regardless of whether they are speeding/racing what have you. They know there cars, what they are capable of, and what they can and more importantly can not do. My mother rarely speeds, yet is one of the worst drivers on the road for the simple fact that she doesn't pay attention. I may drive like an asshole from time to time, yet I make sure to know my surroundings at all times, stopping distance of my car and etc. Instead of speeding propaganda how about propaganda for an actual driving test which emphasizes on driving skills.

It's pretty dangerous being on the road in general. Speeding gets people to their destination and out off the road before some hapless driver can crash into them.

SpawnedX said:

That's why speed limits were created. Someone determined that at the posted speed you would have enough time and distance to react to these everyday events in fashion likely to not kill people..

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False, speed limits were created to help conserve gas because at the time gas was short during times of war. Since that time, speed limits have been kept in practice due to "safety" brainwash, yet autobahn system studies actually show lower accident rates (although the accidents they do have are normally more fatal obviously)

Fotowntalon said:

I gotta say, that from my experience at least, that tuners, true actual tuners/car enthusiasts, what have you, are some of the best drivers on the road, regardless of whether they are speeding/racing what have you. They know there cars, what they are capable of, and what they can and more importantly can not do. My mother rarely speeds, yet is one of the worst drivers on the road for the simple fact that she doesn't pay attention. I may drive like an asshole from time to time, yet I make sure to know my surroundings at all times, stopping distance of my car and etc. Instead of speeding propaganda how about propaganda for an actual driving test which emphasizes on driving skills.

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It's called a racing license. I'd be willing to put a lot of money on it that most people here couldn't obtain it without serious practice. No matter how "skilled" they think they are