As long as you do maintenance first and mod in the correct order, it'll be fine. Don't cut corners, skip steps, or rig stuff and it will be as or more reliable, when slightly modded.

I have learned the hard way. Cutting corners may be cool for the time being but later on down the road you will run into a shit ton of headaches

I DD my car and have since August of 2007.. Whent from a mid 12 16g car to a low 12 hx35 car. Weighing in at a chunky 3400 pounds ..

esoteric said:

Bad idea? Car would be my normal DD but I also want to mod it up to a 16g and run about 17psi on that along with the supporting mods.

My other option is to buy a 1g and just mod the crap outta that and leave the DD stock, but I don't really have room for 2 cars.

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Exactly what im trying to do!

Maintenance is of the utmost importance. Like stated above, you can't cut corners because it will come back to bite you!

Also for your importance parts please buy quality. There is usually a reason as to why you are spending more. I had been daily driving my talon since 06 and it now has a HX35 and a ton of mods and I haven't had any real problems.

As others have mentioned, as long as you have the proper support mods and you maintain it anything can be made into a DD.





Hell, I could even daily drive my car around with an HX52 turbo beast but maintenance would be a bi***.

I'm gonna have to weigh in on the other side of the card. Sure, you can mod your DD, but we all know that when you go fast, stuff is gonna break. It all depends on how reliant you are on your DD. IF something happens to break while you are "tuning" one day, can you do without for a day or two? I know from personal experience that after a frusterating day of breaking stuff trying to go fast, it sure is nice to just jump in a car and drive to the store to buy a CASE of feel better medicine.

My car is my daily driver, look at all of my mods in my profile. Runs great and honestly if you don't want to mod it out at least get an SAFC so you aren't running pig rich and you can get better gas mileage.

DD thats funny -Ive owned my car (95GST) for 10 years and its run for 7 -buy another car and have fun with your DSM

xxxbigirishxxx said:

I'm gonna have to weigh in on the other side of the card. Sure, you can mod your DD, but we all know that when you go fast, stuff is gonna break. It all depends on how reliant you are on your DD. IF something happens to break while you are "tuning" one day, can you do without for a day or two? I know from personal experience that after a frusterating day of breaking stuff trying to go fast, it sure is nice to just jump in a car and drive to the store to buy a CASE of feel better medicine.

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+1 on this one. Especially the part about jumping in your car and buying a case of feel good medicine.

dcmarf said:

DD thats funny -Ive owned my car (95GST) for 10 years and its run for 7 -buy another car and have fun with your DSM

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And +1 on this one too. Buy a cheap DD and have your DSM for fun! That's what I've always done.

Depends on the person modding the car. I started out thinking I would have a badass street car that I dd.......I have spent more time building my talon then driving my other two cars combined.

Modding a DD isn't the issue. What normally breaks them is RACING the DD. Treat it like a DD and it will reward you. But, if you plan on taking it to the track, then EXPECT that it may break. This isn't just a DSM thing, I have seen makes of all kind be very reliable, then snap an axle or something at the track and have to be towed home. Maintain it first, mod it second (do it right), then continue to maintain it and it will be a happy car.

The mods you mention are actually mild. I see no reason why a 250-300AWHP DSM can't be very reliable as long as it is done right. It will just be those high RPM clutch drops at the track that will leave your tranny puke'n oil and parts everywhere.

my car is also a dd like all the others before just do it right and it ill do you right

esoteric said:

Bad idea? Car would be my normal DD but I also want to mod it up to a 16g and run about 17psi on that along with the supporting mods.

My other option is to buy a 1g and just mod the crap outta that and leave the DD stock, but I don't really have room for 2 cars.

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a MHI turbo on light boost will make for a great reliable DD setup, as long as you mod it right. However having two cars is an advantage in itself, though only if one is not a DSM. having two dsm's is asking for trouble, the second you empty your bank account on the one that doesnt have to run all the time to make it fast, the one that does need to run all the time will magically take a shit, leaving you with two busted ass dsm's and a bank account reading empty.

first thing i did with my 98 was to slap on a 14b and sell off that t2small. i drive 75-80mi daily, and cant wait to be able to get dsmlink and bump it to around 16-18psi with some support. got other issues to work out first (suspension clunks/creaks) and paying it off.....

Also the car will last alot longer if its not beat on. I rebuilt the motor on my 2g recently and been driving it like a granny, it hasn't broke yet!! I feel the more stock it is the more reliable it'll be.

The reason cars are reliable to begin with is quality parts if you go with pure performance parts over more expensive same performance but more reliability you can be the same as or better than stock while having more HP.

Most people go the cheapest route to high HP which is where the true problem lies. That is why there are 800-900 hp cars from the factory that will run for the same amount of miles as a civic. But they cost like 400 grand.

Very true.. Quality parts make all the difference!!

As many stated before me, keep up with maintenance and you will be fine, do as much research as possible when it comes to buying parts, find out whose running what and why, buy good reliable parts and do your nods in order, there is a basic guideline of nodding on this site, it breaks it down for you so you don't even need to guess when it comes to what's the next step, I've been dd none for a little over a year and I'm over 300 whp and I've had 2 things go wrong that were a fairly easy fix. Good luck to you and have fun, that's what its all about man.

Agreed. Do the maintenance, do the proper up-keep, and do what you want. I have a daily driven E316g 2g that I still take to the track and run 12's with. Just have to be diligent in keeping it maintained.

it doesnt take much to make these cars fast.

avoid all the boy ricer b.s.

if you wanted to go fast, easily my short list looks like:

aem ems
fp3065
denso 690cc injectors
buschur fmic
stock turbo manifold
magnus street intake manifold
stock motor
CC clutch
weber stage 1 cams
aeromotive a1000 fuel system

Thats pretty much it. Built this car 7 or so years ago. Makes 498 to the wheels at 25psi on pump fuel. drive it everywhere, everyday. runs like 11.74@120 with 1.90 60' times all day long.

low boost is 17ish psi 420hp, high boost is 25psi 500hp.

The key to any car is TUNING. a good tune. dont pay anyone. learn it yourself, that way you know what to do when something goes wrong.

the aem was weird to learn, but not terribly hard. my spark table is real conservative and thats why the motor lives so happily. theres more power in it, but its fast enough for me

Definitely don't cut corners. I bought my car semi modded and have been fixing the errors in the previous owners incorrect mod path. Ensure your cars motor has been properly maintained and go by the tech list of the proper modification path. I hope to get mine reliable with my AEM StandAlone, i do need to take some time and learn it instead of paying alot of money having someone tune it for me. Good Luck, and definitely buy the better parts for the car not cheap ebay route.

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As others have mentioned, as long as you have the proper support mods and you maintain it anything can be made into a DD.

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Hell, I could even daily drive my car around with an HX52 turbo beast but maintenance would be a bi***.

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Very nice setup! I'm jealious. I would definitely put your car on the V-8 killer list.

I'm doing 2g mas, 560's, AFPR and keeping my 14b with wally 255lph and SAFC2 and my car is my DD. It should be fine so long as you tune it good and do all your maintnence. I have done alot on mine such as new ECU (origional leaked caps), new Idle Air Control motor, water pump, and front driver side axle. Fix things that are old or are going out first and then do mods. Good luck!

Just be sure to keep up on your maintenance. And as stated, as long as it's done right ( no half assing it, cheap way out) it will be fine. My talon is my dd, with current mods in my profile. Has been reliable since the day I bought it.

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Just be sure to keep up on your maintenance. And as stated, as long as it's done right ( no half assing it, cheap way out) it will be fine. My talon is my dd, with current mods in my profile. Has been reliable since the day I bought it.

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Not to get off track.. But 361hp on a stock clutch? Sweeeet I was hoping my build wasn't going to force me to buy and put in a new clutch..