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Ok, so all bullshit between forums put aside, both ECMLink and Jackal are capable of making some serious power. It's annoying how every post containing the words Jackal and ECMLink starts Drama. Couldn't the last few moderator's posts have been PM's between you guys? It really had nothing to do with the capabilities of either tuning solution... I understand your frustration but how do you exepct the thread to stay on topic when the BS drama keeps getting brought to attention?

Really Standard235? Are you Effin kidding me? How are people not going to take that the wrong way? :rolleyes:

I'm not going to list their individual functions. Go see their WIKI pages for that. DS-MAP's Jackal Wiki Page | ECM Link's Wiki

My take:
Jackal is cheaper but at the same time isn't quite as feature rich. It's maintained by a guy on his spare time basically. You have to take initiative to learn about how to tune your car with it and how VE works. DS-MAP.net really helped me in that department. The available support on the dsmap forums is getting better and better every week.

ECMLink costs a little more money but is definitely more user friendly, has an awesome logging tool, gives you access to the ECMLink board and has more of an "official" line of support since ECMLink is a company.

Personally, I decided to figure out how to use Jackal and I really liked the idea of running SD. Keep in mind SD wasn't offered from ECMLink at that time. I actually planned to go with ECMLink until I found out about Jackal SD software. I was already running an Eprom chip from Jeff O with a SAFC & MAFT. So the way I figured it, I was setup for Jackal already, minus an ostrich and two gm sensors. Then I scored my Ostrich emulator, 3 bar map and IAT all together used for $215 shipped. I got a killer deal from another member on the Ds-Map forum who was getting out of the DSM scene. Then I sold my SAFC for $175 and sold MAFT setup for $125. I still lost money in the end because I paid full price the SAFC and MAFT like 4 years ago :ohdamn: but it's all good, I got good use out them. Basically I didn't have the cash to get a full blown ECMLink setup and the parts to run Jackal all kind of fell into place. I'm very happy with the results I've had using Jackal thus far and my goals for the car will probably never warrant switching to a different system. Now there is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to building your VE table but it gets easier once you get the hang of it. Plus most of the guys over at Ds-Map will go out of their way to help you understand. The logger in Jackal is pretty basic but still provides you all the information you need in order to tune the car. I really like ECMLink's logger though, it's a very polished app and well thought out. Will that help me get a better tune? Probably not, but it does make it easier/faster so I can appreciate that. There really isn't a clear answer to this thread's topic (which should be DS-Map vs ECMLink) as it really comes down to what the end user prefers. In my case i chose Jackal.

*Edit* TurboGlenn, How did you know I eat my wings with a 12mm wrench? You're crazy man! XD
 
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-red97rum- Because that's how i eat mine and we DSM'ers tend to know one anothers habbits LOL

But seriously i thought the thyread needed to lighten up so i just babbled jibberish that sounds like all the drama i typically see in these threads

Truth be told i think all the systems have their positives and negatives ALL OF THEM even the stand alones each have ups and downs, it's all about finding a system that works fto fit your needs, soimething you can work with and are comfortable programming and if you like it and it works fo ryou then so be it.. I mean if you think about it there's more DSM's running these smaller name systems than there are running the major worldwidedistributed standalone systems, with DSMlink probably leading the way.. The exposure and widespread use just shows the awesome ability of the internet and forums to show people what's out there, how it can be used and the ups and downs... what sucks is when peoples opinions (especially when bad) about a certain system come out as making a system look bad in general when something that bugs me might notr bug you but if i'm sitting here saying it's the biggest POS ever, that's gonna scare new people from trying said system, and on the open source stuff we only hurt the DSM world as a whole when we discourage some one that may have some awesome knowledge from trying a system that they might like and might be able to make some vast improvements on. There's a ceratin genre of toys/hobby that i'm involved in that is a high cost toy to play with and when i started coming out and doing engine work and making my own transmission that rivaled the BIG NAME brands i got the same type of shit talked on me when i wouldn't give some one a freee engine or 1-2 auto shift system that i made and it was rediculouse to seee the people start "telling admins" on me for this and that and acting like little 5 year old kids, so now i just do my own thing, enjoy my hobby and avoid that forum.... i'd hate to see people that might make great innovations to outr sport here avoid these forums because people are argueing like little kids here as well

i'm not pointing fingers because i don't even read the drama to know who's behind it as i'd rather stay out of it myself, but what i think we all need is to respect whats out there and know that what we like is just thatWHAT WE like, not what everyone else needs to like.

g'night gentlemen
 
The ass backwards styles of the typical DSMer.... :boring:

Making or modifying something yourself using community support and testing through the community with proven results for damn near nothing. Sounds really DSM-ish to me.
 
As far as the "updates" go, you'd have to check the site for yourself as I don't want to jumble this thread with stuff one can simply find for themselves... But a MAJOR one was the ability to run SD which took DSMLink like what, 5+ years?? I was a V1 and V2 user and even after V3 came out it STILL didn't run SD (and this was after it was pushed back multiple times for the sake of being able to SD out of the box) By this time, a few locals who were running TunerPro had been running full on dedicated SD for quite a while. It befuddle me how a paid company would take so long to update a feature that seemd so simple for another non profit one.

It is what it is, I looked more into it and I found that it did everything my Link had PLUS some and even was doing what the upcoming (at the time) V3 was going to be capable of, all for the price of $0...

As far as being able to "pick up the phone and call for help" I found it extremely easy. No need to email Dave or whoever.. Through PMs I was able to get a hold of the major guys easily and almost every time, no matter how fickle my questions were, they were answered. I was sold... The only thing that stopped me from running it then was the fact I had already picked up an AEM EMS.

Again, I'm not bashing either because they both need to do what they need to do but ANY hate towards the Jackal itself can only be seen as ignorance or bias. If people have personal issues, that's fine but I'm sure we can all find enough people to dislike on any give board... I don't see what they are doing over there as a negative towards bringing people to their product on the basis that it is free... They aren't trying to pull in some profit through advertisement or sugar coating things and anyone who can pull their head out of their ass long enough to see day light or go beyond following every single thing they are told rather than being a big boy and doing their own research, thats on them.

Thumbs up for Link and Jackal.
So what's you're positives about link? You claim no bias toward either, yet you've not contributed anything positive to say about one.

No hate for jackel here. But because link came out with full time sd later is a bit far fetched for a reason to run it now vs link if you have yet to buy either and you are on the market. "It is what it is". Price of far more than $0 with both and the more expensive option happens to have a bit more features. Now, befuddlement is a personal issue and this is a personal decision of course. But bringing up your personal reasons for one choice over another is not the way this conversation is moving. This is about facts concerning each so that the OP can make a personal decision. . . Of which technically he can research himself and find.

Concerning updates, Tom and dave give us announcements about them regularly; download and done. So as it stands, that is still falshood you brought to the conversation that displays ignorance to the product or perhaps bias for not taking the time to find if your inference is true or false via research. What's good for the goose. . .
 
I see a lot of ignorance and misinformation in this thread, as well as blind faith.

Oh, and the open source deal. If you are really familiar at all with progress that has been made in the DSM tuning community, then you would know that the DSM-ECU Yahoo group has an archive where pretty much all the code which makes up Link and MAP, can be found.


Yet you continue to add to it. I'm sorry to continue with drama but untruths seem to tune into facts when left unchallenged.

As one of the people who contributed in some little way to what's on the DSM-ECU archives I can state with some level of authority that while most of the code that makes up the core of DSMAP is there little besides any unchanged fragments of the original Mitsubishi code in DSMLink. Some have suggested that ECMTuning got information from the DSM-ECU group but just the counter is true. Tom and Dave had already figured out both the 2G and 1G code before us and were helpful in explaining things that we struggled with in reverse engineering the code. They didn't just lay it all out for us, that would have been a conflict of interest, but once we had figured out enough to ask specific questions they didn't tell us to go pound sand, they answered our questions the best they could.

As to open source, one of the first things the DSMAP people did after starting the project was to hide their source and not contribute any fixes back. They went out of their way to actually make it difficult for someone to look at what they had done by encrypting the binary.

I don't like having to reply like this. There are really few technical things to discuss, both solutions work and are directed at different user bases. Once your past that there isn't much else to say which is why these threads always become full of BS.
 
So what's you're positives about link? You claim no bias toward either, yet you've not contributed anything positive to say about one.

No hate for jackel here. But because link came out with full time sd later is a bit far fetched for a reason to run it now vs link if you have yet to buy either and you are on the market. "It is what it is". Price of far more than $0. Befuddlement is a personal issue. This is a personal decision of course. But bringing up your personal reasons for one choice over another is not the way this conversation is moving. This is about facts concerning each so that the OP can make a decision. . . Of which technically he can research himself and find.

Concerning updates, Tom and dave give us announcements about them regularly; download and done. So as it stands, that is still falshood you brought to the conversation that displays ignorance to the product or perhaps bias for not taking the time to find if your inference is true or false via research. What's good for the goose. . .


Have you not learned in the past...


Since you always seem to need more clarification then the typical person I shall do so.

I came in in defense of Jackal due to the ignorance that was running rampant already. The positives about Link go without saying being that they were brought up and at the same time its the more known product. DSMLink has a wonderful logging feature albeit an improved logger is currently being designed and tested for future release of the Jackal that I'm positive that that will soon be a stalemate in the end.

All in all they both get the job done. It is a matter of whether you want to spend the extra money on Link or not for the name or because so and so told you to.. That's about it. There is no true advantage offered by either now that V3 finally caught up with SD... Through the DSMAP forums many were for introduced to these cheap 4-7+ bar map sensors that many of us can be thankful for. But again, it isn't something that cant be emulated with Link and currently many over on the Link boards are now experimenting with them.

Nothing really needs to be said about either was my main argument. They simply both get the job done. Hence my statement that negative comments towards Jackal can really only be seen as ignorant, personal or biased. You don't see me saying that Link sucks at anything so you can't say I am being biased or ignorant at all...

Nice try though. :thumb:
 
You have not researched all the features. . . "It is what it is". When the better logging comes out with jackal, will it be in the paid-for version? Final costs will be the same. Hopefully, other features will be added.

No one here has said "jackal sucks". So no one here is contributing ignorance via your personal determination of ignorance. However, several here HAVE posted misinformation concerning link updates and the history of dsm ecu research.

You attempt to condescend. It tickles LOL.
 
You have not researched all the features. . . "It is what it is". When the better logging comes out with jackal, will it be in the paid-for version? Final costs will be the same. Hopefully, other features will be added.

No one here has said "jackal sucks". So no one here is contributing ignorance via your personal determination of ignorance. However, several here HAVE posted misinformation concerning link updates and the history of dsm ecu research.

You attempt to condescend. It tickles LOL.

I fail to see how the costs of running LINK in speed density vs Running Jackal come up to about the same?

Take my situation for example.

I have an 88 JDM VR4 which meant no eprom ecu

my costs would have been:

EPROM ecu + Socket + Link + Map sensors + Iat + Harness + Wideband

vs

EPROM Ecu + Socket + Ostrich + Map Sensor + Iat + Harness + Wideband + Logger cable

The ostrich + the logger cable did not even cost me $200. a Far cry from the $500+ for the full version of Link.

The logging included in Jackal at the moment is more than adequate to get the car properly tuned and making great power
 
As you can see, I asked will the new logging improvements be only offered in the paid-for version of jackal that is in the works. The cost will be added to all you've bought so far to get the paid-for features. It will bring it much closer to the cost of link. What will it be? $300? $350? $200? I heard $300ish a while back. Not speaking of the way things are now. Sorry not to be more clear ;)

Like I said, I certainly hope they will offer more features: as many as, or some collective value of extra features that's appropriately equal to link with the paid-for version; so that it would be competitive to link. Better logger plus all the other bells/whistles that you get when you pay more for something typically; and why link is fair to cost more. Competition is good for the community. This is all a good thing.

The petty vendor bashing and childish attacks that I've seen before certainly are not. This is a new thread. Apparently Ludacris is letting this roll. And no one has bashed either product too much yet, although I did see one attempt to attack the integrity/morals of the ECMTuning owners with some misinformation. Quickly handled though. So no need for anyone who is NOT biased to type on here biased opinionated phrases to counter any previously noted opinions elsewhere. And we all are certainly adult enough to tolerate a fellow member using facts to point out an error in our contribution here now.
 
First off, I will say that I have no experience with ECMLink, but from what I have read, it is a great product with a lot of tedious development and support behind it. Which is never a bad thing. With that said, I'm currently running Jackal SD and am very happy with it. I chose Jackal because of the cost difference. My original logic was simple-if I don't like the software, I'll sell what I don't need and buy ECMLink. Using Jackal itself is simple. Tuning your car isn't as easy, but I am still in the learning curve. Support is there as I need it and I can get my questions answered usually immediately by Chat. I'm satisfied with my selection for my needs.
I agree with the minority that hate to see these threads turn into a bashing of one versus another. When someone is considering their parts/tuning solutions, they should research their options and find what best suits their goals. Period. Research your options and read user experiences. Good luck with your build!
 
First off, I will say that I have no experience with ECMLink, but from what I have read, it is a great product with a lot of tedious development and support behind it. Which is never a bad thing. With that said, I'm currently running Jackal SD and am very happy with it. I chose Jackal because of the cost difference. My original logic was simple-if I don't like the software, I'll sell what I don't need and buy ECMLink. Using Jackal itself is simple. Tuning your car isn't as easy, but I am still in the learning curve. Support is there as I need it and I can get my questions answered usually immediately by Chat. I'm satisfied with my selection for my needs.
I agree with the minority that hate to see these threads turn into a bashing of one versus another. When someone is considering their parts/tuning solutions, they should research their options and find what best suits their goals. Period. Research your options and read user experiences. Good luck with your build!
I hate to see them turn into bashing too, but there's a reason they do. The hostility is being generated somewhere - do a search for "tooners" on ds-map's support forum, that should give you an idea of where it's originating from. Unfortunately, until the attacks on peoples' character cease, as well as the hostility towards entire DSM forums (which seems completely ridiculous), I don't see these threads turning out any other way.

Before ds-map started being promoted by the lead developers, I had never had my integrity smeared, been publicly attacked as a site owner for being in the pocket of a vendor, threatened with legal action, or felt so much animosity from a small group of DSMers - people that have never even met me and yet were convinced I was a bad guy. Forgive me if I question the professionalism and tact of the people managing the ds-map project. And I'm just a site owner. I can only imagine what the owners of DSMlink have gone through, being that their product is the one always being compared to ds-map.

Again, the ds-map product itself looks to be good and probably can become better. I just hope they learn how to improve their approach to the DSM community. So far, they've found plenty of ways to alienate a portion of the same group of people who could help them improve and expand the project - and have helped create divisive attitudes among those who support the project. And once again, I'm sorry for taking this somewhat off topic. But for all the grief I've been put through, and all the crap that has been said about me, our site, and the people who have helped build it/moderate it, as well as the DSMers we welcome in on a daily basis, it's hard to not speak up. There absolutely should NOT be any "forum bullshit" directed at other forums - especially in a "support" forum for a free product. Until it's disallowed like it is here, this is just how these discussions are likely to go. This is not meant to be a jab at the leadership of ds-map, but I'm sure my post will result in plenty of shots at me for what I've said. And I'll be made out to be some snake or evil villain. :rolleyes:

To the OP - I think all the feedback you're going to get on this subject has been posted. The easy answer is: go with ds-map if you like the idea of saving a few bucks and piecing together your own tuning solution. Go with DSMlink if you feel more comfortable with a solution that has been around the community for close to 2 decades and has been widely praised throughout that time. Both will get the job done. :thumb:
 
There are really few technical things to discuss, both solutions work and are directed at different user bases. Once your past that there isn't much else to say which is why these threads always become full of BS.

Exactly how I feel.

There is one technical difference though: Jackal is better than ECMLink because that's what I use. :p
*note sarcasm*
 
I've used both but prefer to edit my own binaries using a hex editor and 300 bps modem that I whistle the tones into for 1's and 0's. That way I feel like I accomplished something significant.

:banghead:
 
When "keeping it real" goes wrong...
 
There are a few reasons I find dsmap to be better for me than link.

The big one that gets overlooked is that the setup is not only cheaper, but with different (also free) software the ostrich can be used to tune any number of cars in a similar fashion. This list gets bigger all the time, but it includes dodge, nissan, honda, volvo, bmw, GM, I think ford, and probably others that I've forgotten. Even with the full version of link, you are stuck in DSM's, god forbid you should wreck it or sell it. People like to say "you can always sell link." Like a wide band, very few people sell their ostrich as they can be taken from car to car.

I like that Hak hasn't settled on leaving the load based spark in there. I'm not saying it's bad the way it is, and I'm not saying I'll have pressure based tuning tomorrow, but there is the drive to change it which I like. I learned on stand alone and map based ECU's, all of this MAF stuff is nonsense as far as I'm concerned. So dsmap caters more towards someone like me. There are pro's and con's to both load and pressure based tuning, both obviously can go fast, I just prefer it one way over the other.

Finally, I like the community. I like that it is free and open for anyone to see. The chat room is fun and walking people through tuning can be rewarding.

I use what I use for reasons that are logical to me. Anyone who is trying to decide is welcome to try out the most current version on dsmap forums.

P.S. those 4-7 bar map sensors were found by the honda community many years ago. Maybe 'link made you aware of them, but I was using a $20 3bar map sensor before V3 was able to do SD.
 
The big one that gets overlooked is that the setup is not only cheaper, but with different (also free) software the ostrich can be used to tune any number of cars in a similar fashion. This list gets bigger all the time, but it includes dodge, nissan, honda, volvo, bmw, GM, I think ford, and probably others that I've forgotten. Even with the full version of link, you are stuck in DSM's, god forbid you should wreck it or sell it. People like to say "you can always sell link." Like a wide band, very few people sell their ostrich as they can be taken from car to car.
Another thing to note is that once your tune is dialed in you can simply have a chip burned with your tune (actually you don't even need an Ostrich if you have a chip burner). Install the chip & remove the Ostrich and use it to tune other vehicles or if you sell the car you still maintain your Ostrich for the next project and inform the new owner of what you were using & where to locate the software if they're interested.

As you can see, I asked will the new logging improvements be only offered in the paid-for version of jackal that is in the works. The cost will be added to all you've bought so far to get the paid-for features. It will bring it much closer to the cost of link. What will it be? $300? $350? $200? I heard $300ish a while back. Not speaking of the way things are now. Sorry not to be more clear

Like I said, I certainly hope they will offer more features: as many as, or some collective value of extra features that's appropriately equal to link with the paid-for version; so that it would be competitive to link. Better logger plus all the other bells/whistles that you get when you pay more for something typically; and why link is fair to cost more. Competition is good for the community. This is all a good thing.
To answer a few questions: The logger speed is currently being improved as we speak & after some verification testing within the Dsmap community will be released as an update for free. When it comes to the GUI side of the logger I'm sure that would be implemented in the pay version but aside from wanting some more speed out of the logger I have no complaints, it gives you all the data you need to tune.
The Jackal logger drops everything into an excel spreadsheet, you can then create some extremely awesome pivot tables to make tuning that much easier and help pinpoint trouble areas of your tune. This great way of formatting the data is due to the Dsmap community working together as a collective which is one of the reasons I love being part of it, everybody is helping to advance the software along with helping others.

I see speculation of cost mentioned by some individuals on here (dollar numbers I have never even remotely heard) but ironically on the Dsmap forum there has never been any talk of what the cost will actually be other than the occasional "really cheap". I do know the pay version will have added capabilities with some fantastic features which is simply amazing considering how good the current free version is.
 
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hey i hate to bring this back up from the dead but im looking into this option as well.. SD is only an option on the more exspensive V3 package and not on the V3 lite.. so thats the only reason im loking into this DSMAP stuff, it just seems like its a pain to tune it.. some feedback from anyone using it would be helpful. thanks. :confused:
 
SD is only an option on the more exspensive V3 package and not on the V3 lite..

I think you have misread the product summary.

SD is a part of the V3 lite package, it's just limited to having adjustments for up to 8k RPM and 23 psi where the full V3 has adjustments going up to 10k and 35 psi. You can run more than 8k and 23 psi but it will use the last set of adjustments.

prodcompare [ECMTuning - wiki]
 
hey i hate to bring this back up from the dead but im looking into this option as well.. SD is only an option on the more exspensive V3 package and not on the V3 lite.. so thats the only reason im loking into this DSMAP stuff, it just seems like its a pain to tune it.. some feedback from anyone using it would be helpful. thanks. :confused:

Its pretty straight forward to setup.

Join the forums. ask questions on the live chat or the forum itself.
 
I'll be a dsmap supporter for life. They offered sd for free when link was using the ridicules sliders and charging up the ass for it.

As far as logging
1st Gen - ALDL/USB Logging Cable | DSMAP

it doesn't get any easier then that.
Use any logger your laptop has, or use an emulator and run palm loggers.

hey i hate to bring this back up from the dead but im looking into this option as well.. SD is only an option on the more exspensive V3 package and not on the V3 lite.. so thats the only reason im loking into this DSMAP stuff, it just seems like its a pain to tune it.. some feedback from anyone using it would be helpful. thanks. :confused:

All base maps are supplied, just set injector size and your idling. Basically as plug and play as it can get.
 
As you can see, I asked will the new logging improvements be only offered in the paid-for version of jackal that is in the works. The cost will be added to all you've bought so far to get the paid-for features. It will bring it much closer to the cost of link. What will it be? $300? $350? $200? I heard $300ish a while back. Not speaking of the way things are now. Sorry not to be more clear ;)


I don't think there has been any discussion on how much the pay for version will be...

I don't know why everyone gets a kick out of the extras you have to buy to get Jackal up and running. Let me break this down one more time so everyone can see what the total cost is to get jackal running and operational. These are approximate prices:

Jackal Software - FREE
MAP Sensor - $70
IAT Sensor - $50
Chip Burner - Optional if you bought the Ostrich ($85 + 5 bucks for some chips)
Ostrich - Optional if you bought a burner ($175)
Wiring Harness - Free if you make your own or $40 from full throttle speed.

ok... so we're up to $200 to get a basic setup running. But really... correct me if I'm wrong but you do have to buy the same sensors for ECMlink to run a SD setup? Right? So, we can't really factor in the cost of the sensors when we're comparing these. And it's not likely people will sell their MAF's when the swap because they have been advertised to that they need it to setup their SD tune.

Your largest out of pocket expense to get a SD setup running will be the emulator or a chip burner and some chips. That's it...

The way I look at it. Most people that swap over to Jackal had a MAF setup before, right? So, they sell it. I had a 2g MAF setup that I sold for 100 and got my sensors. Also, Since I had a 2g maf I had a SAFC, so I sold that for $150 that paid for most of my Ostrich. I also had a chip burner, so I'm thinking about selling it and once I do, that will just be cash in my pocket. I think I actually made money by swapping to Jackal and SD. Kinda weird how that works. So, I will more than gladly spend the 100, 200, or 300 bones when WW comes out. Especially for all the work Hakcenter has put into the software and has required no funds back. There is a donate button on there but it's kinda hidden and I don't think a whole lot of people see it.
 
Ok. A friend of mine bought V3 and he's running SD on it. Yes, it's nice. But it's so easy, it's hard. I mean, if you can't reference a point in a table with given x,y and modify a number until that point in the table matches another table... then you shouldn't be tuning.

And once the VE is dialed in on Jackal, you can change your target AFR and it automatically changes it. So much awesome :)
 
Ok, so I've only used Jackal, and I don't have any experience with Link, so I won't go there. I will however, make a few points about what I believe Jackal really excels at.

Tech Support:

I know a lot of people have commented on the support that ECMLink offers (as well as it should, being a business) and the forums they offer. I couldn't tell you just how good their support really is, but I do know that Jackal has excellent technical support for its users. We have a chat room going 24/7 where new members can come and get their questions answered immediately. There is almost always someone in there who is familiar with the system, and we are happy to go out of our way to answer questions; I know of one member who has given his personal phone number out to other members, so they can call him anytime if they need help. No one gets paid for it, and we don't care, we do it because we enjoy being part of the community and we want to do our part. That sort of brings me to my next point...

Community:

The DSMAP forum attracts a certain type of person. We all have similar interests, are respectful of one another, and are always willing to help. It is a common goal of everyone to help improve the community any way they can. There is an unwritten code of conduct on our forum, everyone acts like adults and honestly, there isn't a whole lot to moderate because no one ever starts a flame war. Whatever gets said, stays there, because we don't believe in censorship. We also like to have a bit of fun, and we don't mind poking fun at each other because we are all friends. If someone is offended by something they read, honestly, too bad. This is the internet, there will always be people that don't agree with you, and there isn't anything you can do about it. Don't read it, or grow some tougher skin. We aren't trying to sell anything or ourselves; everything is in the open for everyone to see. If you like the concept, you are more than welcome to join. It is a community supported by the end user, not a business, and will remain as such.

Code:

The code is not open source, but any member who has the skills to write code is welcome to help. Jackal users get the chance to give suggestions and test out new code so any fixes can be implemented into the next update. The updates usually include GUI enhancements, code tweaks and fixes. The logger is getting the most attention at the moment.

Price:

In the end, neither system is free when you consider the needed hardware, but for a good number of people, Jackal is cheaper than buying Link, the evidence of which has been posted in this thread already. I know that going with Jackal was cheaper for me than if I had bought Link. There has been no talk of price regarding the payware version, so there is no need to speculate. Regardless, the free software will always be available even after the payware is released.

That about sums up the reasons why I chose Jackal, and why I will continue to use it in the future. I hope prospective users will do their homework on all the available systems (there are a lot too: burning chips and using a hex editor, Tunerpro, SAFC, Jackal, Link, standalone, etc.) and choose the system that best suits their needs. Good luck, and happy tuning. By the way, if anyone has any questions concerning Jackal, shoot me a PM and I'll be happy to answer them.
 
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