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SickNasty99GST

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Sep 24, 2009
Pearl Harbor, Hawaii
So, I made a post a while back about the problems I was having with my '99 GST. A few good ideas were suggested, but nothing has panned out.

I tuned my GST the first week of January, before I left on deployment. It was tuned at 14psi, and put down 285whp on a Dynopac setup in Honolulu, tuned by Shawn at Munky Wurks. I'm running stock sidemount, crushed 1G BOV, Evo III 16G, and RC 750's. About a month later, my wife emailed me and said the Eclipse died on her on the freeway. No apparent problems or anything sudden, it just died while driving. She got it to fire back up eventually, and limped it home, staying out of boost. I know she wasn't beating on it, my wife babies the Eclipse.

The car builds about 5psi, then bucks uncontrollably, and won't rev any higher. Typically, RPM's make it to about 3200 or so, and then get restricted. Also, cold starting, especially in the morning before work, took about 4-5 key turns to get it to fire up. My AEM UEGO read anywhere between 14.0-17.0 A/F once warmed up. The car is no longer driven.

Fast forward to May:

I was back on Oahu for 2 weeks due to a death in the family, and in my spare time, I started troubleshooting. I got under the car, and the first thing I noticed was that my pullies were loose as all hell. I pulled off and replaced my crank pulley, A/C pulley, and power steering pulley, along with all the belts. Obviously, that didn't fix anything related to the boost problems.

I then decided to replace all the injectors. The car runs a little smoother, but still gets "stuck" around 5psi. I did a boost leak test...no boost leaks. I was baffled, and very frustrated. :notgood:

I had to fly back to the Middle East after my 2 weeks home was up, with the Eclipse still not running. I've finally come to the conclusion that it may be my fuel pump? :aha: What do you guys think?? The car has 86,500 miles on it. Stock fuel pump... I started thinking about it, and I do remember hearing a high-pitched whine coming from the rear hatch area. I bought a Walbro 255lph pump, but it's waiting until I get home to install it. I also plan on picking up an Aeromotive AFPR...and I'm hoping and praying these parts fix my issue. Does it sound like I'm on the right track?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated! :rocks:
 
A Walbro 255 is too big and will be loud and run rich at idle. Save yourself some money and ditch the fuel pressure regulator and use a Walbro 190 or EVO 8/9 fuel pump. These will make around 400whp. I remember reading an article a while back about the stock boost sensor (under the intake) still being hooked up in the system will cause this. Don't quote me on this though. Did you screw with the MAS air sensor at all? They say 15 psi on stock turbos max out the stock pump. 14 psi on a 16g you may be hitting the limits of that pump. If you don't plan on making more power just rewire the stock pump. There are plenty of articles that show how to do this. Just curious what did you guys use to tune with?
 
Damn, now I gotta sell a fuel pump. LOL. I dont think I'm hitting the limits of the pump. I'm pretty sure its just done. When the car was tuned (on an Apexi NEO with AEM UEGO wideband) it ran great. It ran very well for a little more than a month, than randomly just went kaput. I didn't mess with the MAS air sensor at all...
 
You need a datalogger. Your profile says you have DSMLink, but it's not installed. Why?

The issue sounds like the fuel pump just can't keep up, but there are many other things I can think of that might be going on as well. Has the fuel filter ever been replaced? How do your plugs look? Are you sure that the SAFC settings didn't get erased/changed? Did the battery get disconnected at any time?

The 750cc injectors are quite large for a piggyback on gasoline fuel, I don't doubt for a second that your tuner had a lot of trouble getting them under control. You may be looking at a serious case of spark knock due to the elevated ignition timing the SAFC will make the ECU use in order to correct for the too large injectors. If true, it makes sense that the problems are compounded upon compressor spool-up.
 
Wow, thanks a lot for all the good responses guys! I'll try to answer the questions and comments in order:


I also thought the 255 would be fine, if tuned and regulated correctly, thank you for verifying that.


The DSMLink is installed, but there isn't anyone on Oahu that tunes it, and I have never tuned in my life. It scares me to death. LOL. I have not replaced the fuel filter. Its been on the list of things to do, but I just never got around to it. The plugs looked fine surprisingly. No scorching or white build-up, and the porcelain is in good shape. After the car started acting up, I took it back down to Shawn and had him check the Neo. All the settings were still intact, even though the battery had been disconnected to replace the injectors. On my dyno sheet, in the upper RPMs, the curve was rather erratic. We chalked it up to the fact that I was on a stock pump w/ no AFPR... maybe we should have looked a little deeper into it? Should I downsize to 550's, or will the pump and AFPR adjust the spark knock?

Thanks a lot for all the input! Like I said, I definitely appreciate it. I'm ready to pull my hair out over this crap.
 
Don't be scared of tuning. Since it already run's you need to start logging thing like maf hz,boost(if you have a gm map sensor) and wide band, along with knock, coolant temp, rpm, ect... somebody chime in if I'm missing something crucial.

Does it have any check engine lights? Your problem do sound like a boost leak or faulty maf.
 
The DSMLink is installed, but there isn't anyone on Oahu that tunes it, and I have never tuned in my life. It scares me to death. LOL.
It's not hard to tune with DSMLink, don't be afraid of it. Anything that you need to know about how to do it is on their site, either in the forums or the knowledge base.

I have not replaced the fuel filter.
This should be done soon, it's not expensive or difficult, it's just good maintenance and it may help with your problems more than you realize.

The plugs looked fine surprisingly. No scorching or white build-up, and the porcelain is in good shape.
Are they black and soot covered, or tan? Running lean will tan or slightly brown the plugs, running rich can cause soot and misfires -misfires can mask a rich condition since the added unburnt oxygen in the exhaust shows up on the wideband as going lean.

Should I downsize to 550's, or will the pump and AFPR adjust the spark knock?
No to both. A pump won't really change any true knock count because it won't change any elevated ignition advance that may be causing any knock. You should use DSMLink and keep the injectors you have. The pump and AFPR certainly won't hurt anything, but why don't you try replacing the fuel filter first and using DSMLink to compensate for the injectors, you can worry about the pump if the new fuel filter doesn't help.
 
Thanks for the link to the DSMLink site. It's very user-friendly and I like the ECMLink 101 section... do they sell the product from the site? I can't find it...? I may start poking around with it when I get home off deployment then... but I'll warn ya, if I break something, you guys have to help me fix it =]

I plan on picking up a filter as soon as I get back. Is there a part number or anything I need?

I apologize, I didn't cover all the bases when I spoke of the plugs. The plugs look like they're still in great shape. I've fouled out a few plugs before, LOL. These plugs are fine. No sooty build-up, the electrodes are clean, the porcelain is white and uncracked, they basically still look new.

As for the fuel issue, I bought the injectors so big because I figured I'd have room to grow with them, and tuning would let them run at an alright duty cycle for the fuel pump and small-ish turbo. I may have been wrong. LOL. I'll change the fuel filter when I get home for sure. I have to make sure I still have the DSMLink software... I bought that stuff like 2 years ago, and have since moved from San Diego to Hawaii. I hope I can find it.

Could my spark plug wires also have something to do with this? I just realized I've never changed them out either...
 
Hey sicknasty,...don't really have any advice for your problems, but rather a friendly note to say that I'm on Oahu with a GSX and don't know that much about Turbos. Reading your posts makes me want to meet up with you some time after this deployment and really help me get this DSM up and running. Let me know what you think and hope to meet up soon
 
Finally figured it out! After 10 months and about a grand, it turned out to be the damn fuel filter!! Thanks for all the advice/input!!
 
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