Been working on this for a few years now.
Car is 1991 awd turbo auto.
First thing did was to strip it down. This car is trailer only will never be on street.
Took out back bumper supports, front bumper support was replaced with lightweight jm fab one. Took off front and rear sway bars. Took out abs, cruise control, air conditioning, windshield wipers,most of interior but for now left front door panels, headliner,dash and center console.Taking out all insulation on floor and think taking off heat shields.
Running so far downpipe only. If some tracks require quieter exhaust have this insert that run in downpipe .It also lets me tune the car without neighbors screaming at me.
its made by car chemistry.
So far running steel hood, doors are not touched, steel hatch,stock glass. Do have some non power doors that can use.

Brakes have had 2g upgrade. Running powerslot rotors and kvr pads, stainless brake lines.
Battery is little odessy with jm fab mounting kit.
Suspension have kyb agx shocks looking to run eibach pro springs.
Wheels looking at some lightweight konig 16 by 7s.
Running megan downpipe for exhaust 3 inch no catback. No cat converter.
Fuel system consists of jm fab fuel tank,supra tt pump, FFWD fuel system with stainless lines, billet filter, sx reg, tweaked stock rail and 1150 FIC injectors.
Tuning is dsmlink, going to newest version and will run sd open loop. So no mass air flow sensor just map and iat sensors.
Electronics have aem boost controller and aem wideband. Autometer in car fuel pressure and egt. Have dsm scanmaster as well.
Got corbeau forza seat coming and have competition engineering 8 point rollbar waiting for install.
Still need to get belt. Got good helmet and fire jacket already.

Plan on putting in shift kit,end clutch kit, getting stock converter stalled up and going to welded center diff.GEt that stuff from idt? or whatever trans place is.

For turbo may run 13g for fun a few times this season. Then will run possibly 14b,
evo big 16, fp3065 or maybe fp red or something else FP . I may play with a few turbos or just go to big one right away. I could take one off my 97 talon its fp3065 and use something else on that car.
Would run likely external tial 44 or maybe internal gate if go to fp red.
Blow off likely tial blow off.
For engine thinking to swap in my 2.4 from my 97 and replace it with built 2.3 or would go with a built 2.0 maybe in the 91.

I have jm fab race intake with nitrous bungs if want to run nitrous later.
Will be using fp exhaust manifold, have mitsumoto rad and fans and shroud. Jm fab coolant overflow and ordering jm fab catch can.
Will be getting ets or maybe jm fab intercooler not sure if going to run alc injection on this car.

Going to manual steering and may go to cf hood, not sure about lighter hatch,doors, glass yet. Want to get 4 bolt rear end and possibly upgrade driveshaft and maybe axles see how that goes.

Goals are pretty modest ,would like to hit 10.xx something not into going 9s ever .too much hassle to do at nhra tracks but might try to make a 9 second pass on outlaw tracks.Will be track legal to 10.0.

Likely forgetting a few things. Will post some pics shortly.
The car is raceable pretty much today with the 13g .I took it to track near end of season last year but got rained out and didn't even get one run. I was expecting maybe a 14 with the 13g but was going to just do it for fun and to shake down the car.

I do also have my built to the hilt 97 talon dead in garage with either spun bearing or blown up clutch. It is my street car though not track car like the 91. It has never gone to track. And also have a wild super high hp 99 twin turbo trans am with direct port nitrous that is also my main street toy. The 97 and 99 will go to tracks but again will likely get best times on outlaw track. Neither of them has a rollbar in them at this time and may not put them in.

Anyway I like autos better for 1/4 mile cars. My 99 Twin turbo was just swapped to auto. My 97 think leave that one as 5 speed so have one stick in the stable.

Going to track last year ,got rained out, end of season so couldn't rerun it.





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very nice, good luck.

So this is a trailer / race only car but "For turbo may run 13g for fun a few times this season. Then will run possibly 14b,
evo big 16" ... your trailered race car without bumper supports would get it's ass kicked but that red WS6 in the background of the 1 pic. This thread must be some sort of joke or something?

No thread is no joke .Not sure if you read it all though.
The red 99 Trans am is my main monster street car. It has 408 cubic inch fully forged engine, two modified Forced performance 20gs with billet wheels ,etc that flow 70lb/min each giving them 1400 engine hp capabilty from the turbos alone. The car also has a 300 shot capable direct port nitrous system. A dana 60 rearend and a built to the hilt 4l80e transmisison. I have just completed that build ,am driving it and will dyno and track it this season hopefully. But right now it has no rollbar/rollcage and would be kicked off at 11.5 at local NHRA track. But we have a few outlaw tracks so hoping to knock off a 9 with it although it could possibly do 8s or who knows. I won't run it past 1250 engine or so my current fuel system is only set up for that power level and my engine is set up for maybe 1400 engine hp. I may upgrade fuel and engine later on. It is a heavy thing around 4200 with me in it.

The 91 is a track only race car. If you look at mods you will see have gone thru each area..fuel ,tuning,brakes,suspension, it has race seat and 8 point going in right away. It is very stripped down and what meant in posts above was going to have some fun with it. Might run it with 13g for a laugh a few times. Have 14b lying around could run that for a bit , and could stop along the journey at an evo16g maybe if wanted to sort of have fun with it and not go right for max times.

Or have FP3065 that could use off my 97 talon street car or might buy a turbo like FPRED or something bit bigger like GT35R. The 91 is track ready. Took it to track as said end of season to just run the 13g and was rained out had to come home.Of course would expect like a 14 or 15 from the 13g maybe a 12 or so from the 14b, 11 or so from evo and hopefully 10 or so from fpred or FP3065 and maybe a 9 from gt35 but not too worried built this for fun not to win money or be fastest dsm in country or anything. I am not a dsm rookie ,been into them for years and my 97 is pretty done as well if you check out the sig.

My 97 has never done the track and actually have parked it for last few years.
It blew the SBR hd4000 clutch to smithereens and been too busy on my red 99 Trans am and the race car last few years to bother with it. Will likley fix it up shortly now that the race car and 99TT are nearing the finish.

I am an old guy 52 years old and can assure you I take my cars and racing and modding very seriously. I love two types of cars as you can see. Fourth gen firebird trans ams and talons. I guess someday will have to grow up but hey no plans to do that anytime soon. I also have sons that could be racing,driving these toys when they are are bit older. You dont' give a 16 year old kid a 1000 plus hp trans am to drive! My first car when i was 16 was a 400 cubic inch bandit 77 transam but back then it had only like 220 hp but it had big torque. And with a few mods gained a ton of power.

Thats cool then, I just assumed you were another highschool kid thinking if you take some weight out of a dsm you'll beat ls1s. Sounds cool!

if you are much of a ls1 fan, or even f-body fan, why would you use two 20gs?

you wouldn't get your supposed horse power numbers out of that car or even those times at a local nhra track?

also who calls it a local nhra track? won't you just say the name of the track and show us some videos and more pictures, instead of this lame attempt to make you feel better than you are.

Come on, post up some pics of everything you say you have. I'm more interested in this fbody. what's your user name on ls1tech?

who uses a dana 60 in a fbody?

so here is a question for you, is it 10 or 12 or 14 or 15 or 20 bolt rear end in the trans am. take a good guess, there's only 2 correct answers and one of which you will be flamed.

ok.. so i'm subscribing because this is funny.

AL92 said:

Been working on this for a few years now.
Car is 1991 awd turbo auto.
First thing did was to strip it down. This car is trailer only will never be on street.
Took out back bumper supports, front bumper support was replaced with lightweight jm fab one. Took off front and rear sway bars. Took out abs, cruise control, air conditioning, windshield wipers,most of interior but for now left front door panels, headliner,dash and center console.Taking out all insulation on floor and think taking off heat shields.
Running so far downpipe only. If some tracks require quieter exhaust have this insert that run in downpipe .It also lets me tune the car without neighbors screaming at me.
its made by car chemistry.
So far running steel hood, doors are not touched, steel hatch,stock glass. Do have some non power doors that can use.

Brakes have had 2g upgrade. Running powerslot rotors and kvr pads, stainless brake lines.
Battery is little odessy with jm fab mounting kit.
Suspension have kyb agx shocks looking to run eibach pro springs.
Wheels looking at some lightweight konig 16 by 7s.
Running megan downpipe for exhaust 3 inch no catback. No cat converter.
Fuel system consists of jm fab fuel tank,supra tt pump, FFWD fuel system with stainless lines, billet filter, sx reg, tweaked stock rail and 1150 FIC injectors.
Tuning is dsmlink, going to newest version and will run sd open loop. So no mass air flow sensor just map and iat sensors.
Electronics have aem boost controller and aem wideband. Autometer in car fuel pressure and egt. Have dsm scanmaster as well.
Got corbeau forza seat coming and have competition engineering 8 point rollbar waiting for install.
Still need to get belt. Got good helmet and fire jacket already.

Plan on putting in shift kit,end clutch kit, getting stock converter stalled up and going to welded center diff.GEt that stuff from idt? or whatever trans place is.

For turbo may run 13g for fun a few times this season. Then will run possibly 14b,
evo big 16, fp3065 or maybe fp red or something else FP . I may play with a few turbos or just go to big one right away. I could take one off my 97 talon its fp3065 and use something else on that car.
Would run likely external tial 44 or maybe internal gate if go to fp red.
Blow off likely tial blow off.
For engine thinking to swap in my 2.4 from my 97 and replace it with built 2.3 or would go with a built 2.0 maybe in the 91.

I have jm fab race intake with nitrous bungs if want to run nitrous later.
Will be using fp exhaust manifold, have mitsumoto rad and fans and shroud. Jm fab coolant overflow and ordering jm fab catch can.
Will be getting ets or maybe jm fab intercooler not sure if going to run alc injection on this car.

Going to manual steering and may go to cf hood, not sure about lighter hatch,doors, glass yet. Want to get 4 bolt rear end and possibly upgrade driveshaft and maybe axles see how that goes.

Goals are pretty modest ,would like to hit 10.xx something not into going 9s ever .too much hassle to do at nhra tracks but might try to make a 9 second pass on outlaw tracks.Will be track legal to 10.0.

Likely forgetting a few things. Will post some pics shortly.
The car is raceable pretty much today with the 13g .I took it to track near end of season last year but got rained out and didn't even get one run. I was expecting maybe a 14 with the 13g but was going to just do it for fun and to shake down the car.

I do also have my built to the hilt 97 talon dead in garage with either spun bearing or blown up clutch. It is my street car though not track car like the 91. It has never gone to track. And also have a wild super high hp 99 twin turbo trans am with direct port nitrous that is also my main street toy. The 97 and 99 will go to tracks but again will likely get best times on outlaw track. Neither of them has a rollbar in them at this time and may not put them in.

Anyway I like autos better for 1/4 mile cars. My 99 Twin turbo was just swapped to auto. My 97 think leave that one as 5 speed so have one stick in the stable.

Going to track last year ,got rained out, end of season so couldn't rerun it.

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Hey man, looks good. Keep up the good work. Keep us posted. I would also like to see some pics of that F-body engine bay.

Superman said:

Hey man, looks good. Keep up the good work. Keep us posted. I would also like to see some pics of that F-body engine bay.

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I second that

AL92 said:

two modified Forced performance 20gs with billet wheels ,etc that flow 70lb/min each giving them 1400 engine hp capabilty from the turbos alone.

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What magical work did FP do the them to get them to flow ~30% more than stock? What is the exhaust side?

Cool project, I love Auto Racers.

Why not dana? Why is he limited to a factory rear and not maybe like a 9"? Maybe he got a good deal on 20g's..?

if you are much of a ls1 fan, or even f-body fan, why would you use two 20gs?

you wouldn't get your supposed horse power numbers out of that car or even those times at a local nhra track?

also who calls it a local nhra track? won't you just say the name of the track and show us some videos and more pictures, instead of this lame attempt to make you feel better than you are.

Come on, post up some pics of everything you say you have. I'm more interested in this fbody. what's your user name on ls1tech?

who uses a dana 60 in a fbody?

so here is a question for you, is it 10 or 12 or 14 or 15 or 20 bolt rear end in the trans am. take a good guess, there's only 2 correct answers and one of which you will be flamed.

ok.. so i'm subscribing because this is funny.

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^^ D-bag ^^

hubz91talontsi said:

Why not dana? Why is he limited to a factory rear and not maybe like a 9"? Maybe he got a good deal on 20g's..?









^^ D-bag ^^

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i love being the d-bag. why would anyone ever rock a mitsubishi turbo when you are limited due to the mitsu flange? also why would you use a dana 60 when you can find better deals on 12 bolts all day long?

Between the pictures of his f-body in the pictures and the one pictured with the talon, there are differences, i will let you point them out.

rock1t said:

if you are much of a ls1 fan, or even f-body fan, why would you use two 20gs?

you wouldn't get your supposed horse power numbers out of that car or even those times at a local nhra track?

also who calls it a local nhra track? won't you just say the name of the track and show us some videos and more pictures, instead of this lame attempt to make you feel better than you are.

Come on, post up some pics of everything you say you have. I'm more interested in this fbody. what's your user name on ls1tech?

who uses a dana 60 in a fbody?

so here is a question for you, is it 10 or 12 or 14 or 15 or 20 bolt rear end in the trans am. take a good guess, there's only 2 correct answers and one of which you will be flamed.

ok.. so i'm subscribing because this is funny.

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The 20gs came with my APS twin turbo kit. If you go to APS website you can see the kit. The tweaked 20gs they sold did around 50/lb min. That works out to 1000 engine hp potential ,there are two remember they add together. And people with the kit have gotten those numbers . Go on ls1tech and search aps kits on the board.

Now the FP upgrades that bolt in with bigger compressor housing and the stuff they do flow 70lb/min. That is just under GT35R.They are not ball bearing though they are journal . You can go look at LG motorsports under the APS upgrades or I could link it.
On ls1tech LG posts some comparisons to the APS 20g and to the LG upgrades.
People have already got like 900rwhp from the LG upgrades on similar build to mine.
No spray and not pushing the turbos to the max.
I don't think hitting 1000rwhp is going to be too difficult since also have 300 shot max of direct port nitrous but was planning to run 75 to 125 shot.

My original goal was to make 1000 engine hp. Or around 750 rear wheel with 25% loss thru an auto. Now figure can do 1000rwhp. Could do more but don't really want to. Would need to upgrade fuel system and would want to go to LSX Block its good to like 2500 hp! My iron block is good to around 1400. 6.0 truck block taken to 408 cubic inches. Forged crank, rods and pistons.

Track is SIR. Saskatoon international raceway. I have not run there yet. I am finishing up the car first. I have to swap my current 50lbmin aps to my upgraded sitting in a box LG 70lb/min . I also wanted to make sure had the transmission handled and the rear end. The car has a Strange dana 60 direct bolt in with 3.54 gears. Its a plug and play swap. And super super strong. I have a fully built 4l80e trans with yank 3400 stall. Also very high power handling transmission.
I hope to track and dyno the 99 this season. Goals are 9.xx and 800rwhp minimum but 1000rwhp possilby with some spray would be nice too.

I have build threads on ls1tech. MY99TAWS6 is the name on there.

Lots of people are using the dana 60 now since it became a direct swap in a few years ago. Of course some use a 12 bolt or a 9 inch as well. Some build 8.8s too.

As for the pics not matching assume you mean things like the wheels. Those talon picks are end of last season. I went to track at very end and got rained out and had to come back with no runs at all. 300 miles return.It sucked. SIR is our local NHRA track ,its the closest to Regina. We have other non NHRA tracks like Swift Current..airstrip 1/4 mile. yorkton..think 1/8 mile never been to that one. Esterhazy or estevan and Minot to south. Minot is think 1/4 never been there. I have only ever raced my 80 ta that sold year or so ago and wifes 96z28. I have never raced my 99 Trans am but had the car since new. I have had the turbo kit on for couple years with the 408 fully forged iron block ,afr heads,arp everything..but wanted to do trans and rear end before risking a trailer home. The stock ls1 rear ends are glass.
Also have no rollbar in the 99 yet . May put one in ,may not .If not then get kicked at 11.5 at SIR. Might get to do a lot faster at the outlaw tracks. Its a street car so didnt' really want the rollbar but for safety might put one in. Can use swingouts.
The 91 talon is the hardcore race car. Trailer only.Not street legal. No wipers, no catback just downpipe,etc.

So now have the torque thrust wheels . Now have added the twin turbo decal on back of car. Have few more emblems to add shortly. Just as have done a lot now to the 91 talon since last year. I will be posting some new pics of it and can post a few of the 99 but the link does show quite a few already.

But can post them no problem. I assure you the car is the real deal. And you shouldn't be so hard on 20g mits turbos they have tons of potential if built properly and I think we can all agree Forced Performance knows what they are doing.

And even if the car only made 1000 engine hp with the turbos and spray don't you think that would still be not so bad. A bugatti veryon does that and look what it costs!

I have 80k into my 99. 40k is price of the car bought new when it came out. We paid a bit more in canada but it was top model fully loaded. Wether I should have modded it so much and not left it stock is debatable but always wanted a twin turbo trans am and had lots of them . 77 bandit in 1978,yes am that old 52 to be exact.
Had 78 ta, 81 formula, recently 80 ta, had 96 ta, 97 ta ws6, and then my 99ta ws6.
Had tons of dsms as well. I love trans ams and I love talons. I am just a big kid I guess. At least thats what wife tells me.

So you believe me now? I live in sask ,the 99 has sask plates on it. How many 1000 hp plate red twin turbo tas you figure are in Saskatchewan?

Just to add, I am from Regina too, and I've seen his trans am, and another talon he used to own.

rock1t said:

Between the pictures of his f-body in the pictures and the one pictured with the talon, there are differences, i will let you point them out.

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hahaha i laughed when i read this.

Anyways Al, good luck with the build, and what ever happened to you're 97 talon?

The 97 either spun a rod, broke the 2.4 crank, blew the non welded non 4 spider diff or the slowboy hd 4000 clutch went kaboom. I got disgusted with it and its been parked for a couple years now. I have been putting my time and energy into my 99TT and lately the 91 race car you see here.

Thats why thinking to take the 2.4 out of the 97 ,fix it if necessary assuming it can be fixed and then put a 2.3 into the 97 possilby with big smaller turbo but lately think will keep the FP3065 on the 97 and go with a FP3575 or FP Red or something on the race car. Race car don't need a BB Turbo. Just the race car.

AL92 said:

Now the FP upgrades that bolt in with bigger compressor housing and the stuff they do flow 70lb/min. That is just under GT35R.They are not ball bearing though they are journal . You can go look at LG motorsports under the APS upgrades or I could link it.

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Hahahahahaha! Right.

bastarddsm said:

Hahahahahaha! Right.

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So you don't think Forced Performance one of the oldest and most trusted and respected shops can modify 20gs to give 70lb min with new wheels and bigger compressor housing? They are not a cheap upgrade..near 3k for the pair.

Even if the turbos only put out 50lb min like the standard tweaked aps 20gs that is still 1000 engine hp potential/500 engine hp each ,remember there are two of them... and the car still has 300 shot potential of spray.
Heck standard 20g are rated 44lb/min thats 880 engine hp potential.
I have no current intention to push the FP /LG upgrade turbos to max anyway after you have driven a car with even 750 engine hp on street you will see why its not that big a deal. 1000 engine hp like my plate says with boost and maybe a 100 shot are plenty. And before you say good luck hooking it up on the street or track with my rwd car I do have something called drag tires on it. Toyo TQ drag tires 24/7 and if want even more stick have ET streets mounted up on another set of rims.

Also the key to traction at big hp is to be able to ramp in boost with your controller. My eboost2 can ramp by rpm, time or gear.

Its funny on my v8 boards they laugh at the dsms and other little boosted 4 bangers and say no way they can make 750 hp or whatever and not blow up instantly.

Guess there are ignorant people on both boards.not mentioning any names..

AL92 said:

Its funny on my v8 boards they laugh at the dsms and other little boosted 4 bangers and say no way they can make 750 hp or whatever and not blow up instantly.

Guess there are ignorant people on both boards.not mentioning any names..

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Debo!

LG Motorsports

Forced performance does the 20g upgrade for LG.

AL92 said:

LG Motorsports

Forced performance does the 20g upgrade for LG.

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Nice builds you have going on. The upraded 20g's that you are mentioning I wouldn't really consider them 20g's anymore... Its kinda like saying a hta68 is a 16g turbo which really I wouldn't consider it a 16g anymore.

kp116 said:

Nice builds you have going on. The upraded 20g's that you are mentioning I wouldn't really consider them 20g's anymore... Its kinda like saying a hta68 is a 16g turbo which really I wouldn't consider it a 16g anymore.

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Exactly, if it doesn't have a 20g wheel and cover, than its not a 20g.

Almost a week and no pictures of said tt kit..

Not everyone on the internet is a 17 year old full of BS.

Sick rides OP.

talonalex92 said:

Almost a week and no pictures of said tt kit..

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Huh the linked thread on club dsm has lots of pics..
Or you can search my name on ls1tech.com MY99TAWS6

But ok fiine here are some pics of my 99TT.
Car has torque thrust m wheels now ,they were necessary to clear the corvette brake upgrade.





this one shows the direct port nitrous, fast intake.


Here is dana 60 peaking out under the 99TT


msd window switch ,nitrous is not wired yet just physically installed.



vacuum manifold for all my stuff, blow offs, adjustable fuel reg, eboost2,etc.



intercooler neck..the intercooler is hidden behind the nose and gets its air from underneath.



nitrous in hatch


pic if the intake and nitrous


Pic of the dana 60 pre install



intercooler ..its a big one



pic of engine turbo on each side of course.

For full info on kit go to aps power systems.
I have upgraded turbos ok not 20gs technically since have been totally redone with new wheels and compressor housing. Whatever rated at 70lb/min each by Forced Performance.