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I love the idea of V4 Tom. I for one know that most of us who have had Link since the early stages of it will jump on the V4 upgrade path no questions asked!

If this would have been posted on the Link forum I think you would have gotten a better response with people saying that they would upgrade no problem.

It's also easier for the people who already have the full version of V3 to upgrade to V4 as opposed to the poeple who dont have it at all and have to fork out the cash in one shot. It's like I got V3 in 2 payments and it would make it 3 if I upgraded to V4, way easier on the wallet than one payment:thumb:

ON another note, I'm really looking forward to ditching my manual BC in favor of an ECU controlled BC:pray:
 
I've always felt that our ecu's hardware was somewhat primitive, it seems to be the only thing in our cars for the most part that wasn't decades ahead of it's time. if this becomes a reality i will DEFINITELY be purchasing.
 
I'd suggest a 'tutor' option for suggestions on how/what to do. Like that annoying paper clip that pops up in any microsoft product, but actually useful.
Say your getting knock, and your AFR's are 'good', it could suggest to lower timing or other things, from simple solutions to actually fixing the issue? Could be a few different things, but it's something people may have to search for that could be included in a popup help window. Something more than what's in the V3 help.
 
If this would have been posted on the Link forum I think you would have gotten a better response with people saying that they would upgrade no problem.
Oh yeah, definitely. I'll post there as well. I just wanted to start with a general audience first and get some initial feedback. I was also trying to limit how much of a response I got at first. :)

Rob10_99 said:
I'd suggest a 'tutor' option for suggestions on how/what to do.
Yeah, we've thought about it. We're still thinking about it. It's just not as easy/clear cut as it sounds at first.

Thomas Dorris
 
I would be interested. I was going to be ordering v3 in a couple weeks and sending out my non eprom for the board conversion, but if this is in the future ill hold off for a little bit.
 
Should just study all of the Tephra mods, then work them into DSMLink and release a final version. Instead of a new $175 version every year.
 
Should just study all of the Tephra mods, then work them into DSMLink and release a final version. Instead of a new $175 version every year.
Thanks, but we're not releasing a $175 version every year and we already do things Tephra doesn't, like GM MAF integration and soon individual dead time controls. But that's NOT the point of this thread, so please don't head down that path.

The point of this thread was to discuss a new *hardware* solution that provides functionality that's not currently possible in the Mitsu world.

Thomas Dorris
 
im in on a better ecu. would love to dump off the manual boost controler
 
I would be game for v4, i need to upgrade to v3 first.

Hey dorris i shot you an email like 4 weeks ago and i got no responce, you have a number i can contact you at about upgrading to v3? Email or PM me please!
 
im in on a better ecu. would love to dump off the manual boost controler
Boost control and other software enhancements are free V3 upgrades. We're talking about a new piece of hardware here and that opens up a lot of possibilities.

Thomas Dorris
 
i shot you an email like 4 weeks ago and i got no responce
Odd. We do not have phone support, sorry. It's all we can do to keep up with e-mail, forums, PMs, etc. Try again, please. I respond to anywhere from 30 to 60 e-mails a day, but I always respond. So if I got it, I definitely would have responded.

[email protected]

Thomas Dorris
 
We're talking about a new piece of hardware here and that opens up a lot of possibilities.
I think some of the confusion in the responses you're seeing might revolve around this point. To most ECMLink buyers, I don't think the fact that there's a hardware upgrade is that big of a deal; certainly, nothing that directly impacts them directly in and of itself, and nothing that stopped the 1g guys from coming aboard. (As a geek, I think the add-on board is quite slick, but I don't know if the average tuner cares about the under-the-covers details that much. Maybe I'm selling people a little short, though?)

Something I suspect potential customers might be find more useful are specific reasons to buy that $175 upgrade. V3 was radically better than V2, and the selling points were obvious and easily spelled out. Most of the suggestions so far, as you already pointed out, can be done with V3 with some client-side updates and new firmware, so rather than talking about the technology, maybe speak a little to the specific features you're considering for V4 that you can't do today with V3; you allude to a few, but I think it would help to nail down the items on your short list to implement "if only there were a few more KB of RAM, we could fit the code to do X", or "if only we had a couple of extra inputs, we could process them into Y feature".

Nothing set in stone, obviously, but maybe an idea of what you have in mind might get people thinking about whether you're heading in a direction that would make them part with a few dollars for an upgrade. :)
 
Odd. We do not have phone support, sorry. It's all we can do to keep up with e-mail, forums, PMs, etc. Try again, please. I respond to anywhere from 30 to 60 e-mails a day, but I always respond. So if I got it, I definitely would have responded.

[email protected]

Thomas Dorris

Sent. Check your email sir.
 
Tom,

After meeting you down here in New Orleans I am verry interested in this hardware upgrade especialy if it can be done to a non eprom 2g ecu. I was thinking about going mega squirt, untill I meet you and learned about your system. Then only reason I have not bought DsmLink is because I do not have a 2g eprom.
Vince
 
Tom, im a die-hard Ecmlink guy, whatever path you guys choose to take...I will support it. Im all for more technology utilizing the stock ECU. What you guys already accomplished on the stock ECU is great, everything else from here on out is just icing on the cake.
 
Sent. Check your email sir.
Got it and replied. And once I had your e-mail address, I was able to find the previous e-mail(s) too and they were all replied to as well, including one from a couple days ago asking the same questions. So I'm not sure what's going on there.

Thomas Dorris
 
I think some of the confusion in the responses you're seeing might revolve around this point.
Possibly, yeah. I'll have to put more effort into a list of potential features another time when my brain isn't so fried. Been a long day.

I think it's also related to my first post where I said "Let's hear some ideas". I wasn't specific enough. I meant other ideas for features that are not currently possible. But, as you said, that's ambiguous unless one is intimately familiar with the current design and what changes with the proposed design.

So, yeah, I can see where the confusion is coming from.

Thomas Dorris
 
ok. so when exactly do u plan on doing this v4? i just bought a v3 and it kind of sucks cause i would want to upgrade and get this. i feel like if i was someone who bought a ps2 and the next day they announced that a ps3 was coming out in the next months. kind of sucks if u get me. depending on when u make this happen u should give a discount to anyone who bought v3 and will now want to get v4. just my 2 cents.
 
OK, I'm starting to feel like I shouldn't even ask for ideas.

We are NOT doing V4. Please read the first post in this thread. We are NOT planning V4. We're not releasing soon, we're not doing anything but posing the possibility of something like this and asking for ideas.

Thomas Dorris
 
I love the idea of expanding possibilities and new hardware on our ecu. i would love to see Ecmlink become the ultimate tuning hardware that is much much much more affordable then AEM or Motec. if you do come out with v4 i will be one of the first one in line to get them. for $175 upgrade that's still affordable, just put $50 dollars in piggy bank ever month and in 3 and 1/2 month you could very well afford the upgrade. I am a broke ass college student and i am sure i can come up with that money still.

I want to thank Thomas at Ecmlink for willing to hear our thoughts. I don't see AEM or Motec want to hear any of us....period...

More innovations + affordable low price = will always sell.
 
If you are possibly adding more inputs, I think a Flex-Fuel sensor option would be useful. Having it automatically adjust injector size. And possible interpolate between gas and ethanol, timing and fuel maps. E85 can be 70-90%, depending on where and when you buy it. The sensors are still expensive, but are starting to come down in price.

Also some of the diesels have a turbine speed sensor, if you combine it with boost control, you can have it so the turbo rides an efficiency line, and prevent it from crossing the surge line.

And if you could capture the ABS wheel speed signal, you could do Traction Control, useful for FWDs or high power AWDs.


I'm not a Link owner, but think these could be some useful options if the DSM ecus had more flexible and numerous inputs.
 
If you are possibly adding more inputs, I think a Flex-Fuel sensor option would be useful. Having it automatically adjust injector size. And possible interpolate between gas and ethanol, timing and fuel maps. E85 can be 70-90%, depending on where and when you buy it. The sensors are still expensive, but are starting to come down in price.

I think this would be a great idea! With the rising cost of regular gas and the great capabilities of E85.
 
Got it and replied. And once I had your e-mail address, I was able to find the previous e-mail(s) too and they were all replied to as well, including one from a couple days ago asking the same questions. So I'm not sure what's going on there.

Thomas Dorris

Im not getting any of your emails so something is going on.

Sending it from another email now
 
If you are possibly adding more inputs, I think a Flex-Fuel sensor option would be useful. Having it automatically adjust injector size. And possible interpolate between gas and ethanol, timing and fuel maps.
Just as a reference, I think Mychailo posted a bit about this over on EvoM (he was planning on doing an automated flex-fuel implementation, which I think is what prompted him to do his deep dive into the fuel and airflow code).

The map switching stuff on the Evo side of the house really highlighted the problem here for me, though: there's more than just injector sizing to worry about. Cold (and hot, to a lesser degree) starting on higher ethanol concentrations requires cranking and warmup fueling adjustments as well, and there's a couple of other small bits that need tweaking (I'd assume things look pretty similar algorithmically on the HC11 ECUs). Additionally, you'd probably want some degree of automated interpolation between a low-ethanol and high-ethanol set of maps (take over high- and low-octane maps, perhaps, or just add another map like the Evo map switching stuff) because you're definitely going to want more timing on higher ethanol blends. It's certainly doable, but I don't think it's quite as straightforward as I think mrfred originally hoped it was going to be. ;)

The other problem is that he was building it around using Zeitronix's ECA, which adds another $200 on top of an already ridiculously expensive sensor (being even more ridiculous if you don't want the display; it's particularly annoying that you could actually construct what it's doing sans display for <$10 in off-the-shelf ICs). This is a problem that I think Tom and Dave might be able to solve natively: add some form of generalized handling for frequency counting and pulsewidth determination from a signal (ie. like the GM flex fuel sensor), rather than needing to add a micro like the ECA that does nothing but convert frequency and pulsewidth to a pair of 0-5V outputs (and hence burns up two inputs instead of just one).

Also some of the diesels have a turbine speed sensor, if you combine it with boost control, you can have it so the turbo rides an efficiency line, and prevent it from crossing the surge line.
Now this is a nifty idea! Didn't FP sell a turbine speed sensor with a 0-5V output at one time?

Edit: I think it was this Garrett sensor.
 
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