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Bostedquest said:
It is not that I do not care, it is more that I feel no pity for them one bit. I have had freinds and family killed by both, not to mention the countless times I have been run off the road and been in near accidents by both. The thing is they got out of the accident without a scratch.
So, it is now a growing consortuim that they get in the crash... leave 'em there. If they get themselves out of the car and get help... lucky them. Hopefully they will not do it again, and hopefully they did not kill someone else in the crash.

I feel nopity for anyone if they get themselves into a situation when they had every opertunity not to get into it. This goes for drug abusers, drunk drivers, street racers, people that cannot stop having kids, people on welware that are unwilling to get themselves off...that sort or person. I think that everyone deserves a second chance, but if you blow that.. you'll get nothing but a laugh from me.

And yes, I have driven right past street racing accidents and did not do a thing but shake my head. And I sleep fine at night.
I have also called in to 911 to report street racing and drunk drivers. I take more pride in that than helping some stupid punk that could not make a good decision to literally save their own life.

And yes, now insurance companys are looking at tickets issued in speed accidents more closely. If it is for excessive speed, display of power or street racing and there is an accident... you are dropped and they will refuse to pay for anything.

You feel no pity for people who get themselves into a situation? What about those who sign up for the military and get killed in action? No pity there...? If they blow the second chance, they get a laugh? You DRIVE BY accidents and shake your head?

Your a terrible person. PERIOD. Don't bother argueing it, those are the most ignorant comments I've ever heard. :nono:
 
If those are the most ignorant comments you've ever heard, then you must not talk to a lot of people.

Face it. While i don't agree with everything he said, i do agree with some. I don't think I would just drive by, however if they die, I wouldn't think twice about it. If you are stupid enough to drive drunk, you deserve punishment. If you're stupid enough to street race, you deserve punishment. Call it Darwin and or God kicking some ass.

and don't even TRY to bring military into the same category as drunks and street racers. NOT EVEN CLOSE to the same thing! you should be ashamed that you even connected them.

You people obviously haven't seen what one drunk driver can do to a family. so stop talking before you show your ignorance even more.
 
I have a question. I'm not condoning street racing, I just would like an honest answer and I ask out of curiousity not to stir up anything.

Is there anyone here that NEVER street races? I have done it maybe 3-5 times my whole life..

Every time a post like this comes up, almost everyone jumps on board with the "don't street race" but I have a hard time believing most are sincere.
 
While I disagree <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=31&k=street%20racing" onmouseover="window.status='street racing'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">street racing</a>, I would never simply let someone die. It is disgusting to think someone could be so inhumane to let a living being, a brother, father, sister, son, daughter, etc. die for the purpose of fulfilling their judgment of standards of living that he/she sets. What if you ran a red light and got into a terrible accident, would you hope that someone would help you, or would you think, "well I ran the red light, so I deserve do die."

Lets face it, almost all us of have street raced or are drawn by the (fantasy) life that street racing creats. You'd by lying if you said you haven't. I myself have for the last 3 years, but what I have done was not illegal, because where I came from there are no speed limits. That would be the only time I street raced. Being back in the US, my temptation to street race in dying rapidly. The closet I came to street racing was speeding up to catch another car. I check them out, and if he drops the hammer, I let them go. Its not worth, the death of a person, myself or the other; its not even worth the ticket to race on a street, where the benefit, the prize, that I get is to say.... "I won"(whoopteeee). :notgood:
 
I agree that those type of people bring the circumstances upon themselves...as I do not condone street racing nor drunk driving. My point is that a person in an accident deserves your help if it can be provided; if you cant stop, then call it in...don't just keep driving while shaking your head. Maybe it's just me but I cant sit there and watch an accident happen and not give a damn about the people involved in it. I would hope others would do the same for me if I'm ever in any type of accident.

I do however know what these type of things can do to a family...I've had a few friends die in car accidents of this nature, where they've been the innocent ones.

If "some stupid punk" gets in an accident, I'll do everything in my power to help him/her see another day so they can make the right decision the next time. Who am I to judge whether or not someone deserves my help when they are in a life/death situation.

Q-Lock
 
you know i posted this thread about not to street race, when in actuality i'm being more of hypocrite than anything... i street race, a lot for that matter, and i know its illegal, but i guess i just can't take those damn honda sh*t talkers.

so if they wanna go i show them that their car is nothing. however, i dont do it if i see pedestrians, or other cars that could get in the way. i may be stupid enough to street race, but im not stupid enough to take other peoples lives into my hands.

i do think that street racing is bad, but when your young in a fast car things are bound to happen, why do you think that insurance is highest for young males, because our testorone starts flowin and we try to be the best. I seriously doubt that their is one person on this board that hasnt done it at least once.
 
Jeremoose said:
You feel no pity for people who get themselves into a situation? What about those who sign up for the military and get killed in action? No pity there...? If they blow the second chance, they get a laugh? You DRIVE BY accidents and shake your head?

Your a terrible person. PERIOD. Don't bother argueing it, those are the most ignorant comments I've ever heard. :nono:
You can think whatever you want.
I could really care less.
And do not even bring up the military you punk... I did 4 years. Quess what, I VOLUNTEERED FOR IT. I KNEW THE RISKS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THAT SIGNS UP. THERE IS NOTHING that can tie street racing and drunk driving to MILITARY SERVICE.

When I see an accident, I can usually tell what was the cause. And yes I have stopped to help ACCIDENTS. And if I have the choice of helping the DRUNK or the STREET RACER (THAT CAUSED IT) or the person they hit, I help the person they HIT, NOT THEM.

And yes I have pulled several people from wreaks. I have even gone into streams where the car was submerged to pull the person out.

If I see a car wrapped around a tree, or a light pole on a clear night with dry roads... I keep on driving, I get out to help a passanger that has crawled out and take them to the hospital.
 
Redmachine said:
saw that along time ago. Like a year or more
He was speeding (possibly racing). I think the driver was killed, the passanger lived.
And no it was not drunk driving, it was speeding/racing. I think they estimated he was over 110. Had to be doing at least 100 to impale the car that far down the railing. Not to mention break the down turn that the metal barriers have.
 
update

the guy driving the civic is dead, he was 24 years old, whe nthe ambulance got their they tried their best, but he was pronounced dead on arrival to the hospital. The guy who was racing him called the cops later to tell them it was him who was racing the civic, no arrest was made or charges brought against him, as of yet, the PD turned the case over to the da and we'll see what hapens from there.

such a tragedy... :(
 
i think its funny how many people say theyre against street racing, when in fact, THEYVE DONE IT. ive yet to see someone that hasnt raced some shit talker at a light, or punched it against some stang on the freeway, or had a little midnight fun with a honduh.

i mod my car to run best on the street. i mod my car so that when i am on the freeway, 98% of the competition wont be able to catch me. i dont care about 1/4 mile times(though its nice to have low ones), i only care about what cars i have taken out, how many honduh's ive made cry, and how many cars with double the cylinders and big headed drivers have seen the ass end of my 2g.

i dont like the drag strip. its boring. its too controlled. i dont get the feel i get from the long wait at the light when theres a 99-04 GT to the right of me, and a 94 supra to the left, and clear from traffic for the next 2 blocks. im put up against turbo honduh's and other turbo fwd's which give me 0 challenge. i want to run the cobras, the gt's, the camaro's, the chevelles, but its against the rules. i dont like rules. i dont like control. i like being on the edge, i like the risk. i like the feel when the lines on the road are a blur, and all im focused on is the road ahead, the engine roaring, and the speed im going(120 is my limit).

i think theres a big difference when people talk about streetracing. some people think any racing on the street is streetracing. i think streetracing is 300 idiots on a industrial road with 500 spectators. i think what you do at a stoplight or on the freeway is just human nature. its in our genes to be better than the guy next to us. its what makes us tick. if not for competition, we wouldnt be where we were today, nobody would strive to have the fastest processors, the biggest building, the most memory, the fastest car, etc.

given a few years the "organized streetracing" will subside and grow old. its already getting old in cali, little do you hear about 300 cars each weekend getting impounded, cause its not going on anymore. now theyre doing "private runs" which is a small group, 10 cars or less, on a long country road. and theyre going what i like best, freeway runs. get on a freeway at 2 in the morning, no cars for as far as the eye can see, go from 55-120, first one there wins. having a turbo+fmic is a huge advantage, cause the faster we go, the more power we get(cause the fmic gets colder, wind chill kicks ass). and on a evo16g doesnt take long to get to 120 from 55, i could only image a 20g or a 50trim.

then again more people are going to the track. which is another reason i dont go. im not gonna drive 2 hours, spend 15 bucks, wait in tech, get a run in, and then them tell me i cant go faster than 14.49 without a rollbar(convertibles suck). so there goes 15 bucks, and another 15 in gas. all so i can see how crappy a fwd can launch and how much top end i have that couldnt get to use. the tracks are way overcrowded here. even if i could run id only get maybe 2 runs in. you gotta wait for the 50 honduh's in lane 1 to go. then 20 bikes in lane 2 to go. then 30 stangs and camaro's in lane 3 to go. then the big blockers in lane 4 to go, then the all out race cars in lane 5, then the turbo awders in lane 6, then finally the turbo fwd in lane 7. if the slowest car goes 17's and the average honda is 16's and theres 50 of them, plus another 15 seconds to stage between each run, you do the math.
 
Thomas91169 said:
i dont like the drag strip. its boring. its too controlled. i dont get the feel i get from the long wait at the light when theres a 99-04 GT to the right of me, and a 94 supra to the left, and clear from traffic for the next 2 blocks. im put up against turbo honduh's and other turbo fwd's which give me 0 challenge. i want to run the cobras, the gt's, the camaro's, the chevelles, but its against the rules. i dont like rules. i dont like control. i like being on the edge, i like the risk. i like the feel when the lines on the road are a blur, and all im focused on is the road ahead, the engine roaring, and the speed im going(120 is my limit).

Thrill seeker or not, you need to be in a controlled environment. Going plaid on a highway with no time to react to uncontrollable variables that are present on a highway (even at o' dark thirty) is a recipe for disaster. Chastising you for going 120 is probably going to have no effect on you so I'm going to offer alternatives instead.

If drag racing doesn't appeal to you, I don't know why you haven't engaged in other forms of motorsport racing? I'm a member of the Nat'l Auto Sport Assoc (NASA) and they offer high-performance driving events at big name tracks. I did one event last year out at Pocono Raceway in Pennsylvania and I loved it. It's more expensive than your friday night drags, but I got four 45-minute sessions in during the day. I could've gotten two more in but I was beat. And these won't be fartpipe big wing civics you'll be going against. While I was there, I saw everything from turbo Miatas to Evo's, a Porsche Club, so getting, slowed up by some 17 second ride.

Of course, you would have to install a roll bar, but if you've spent all of this money to make your Spyder fast I don't see why you don't spend your money on making sure you can survive a crash...
 
bhop said:
I have a question. I'm not condoning street racing, I just would like an honest answer and I ask out of curiousity not to stir up anything.

Is there anyone here that NEVER street races? I have done it maybe 3-5 times my whole life..

Every time a post like this comes up, almost everyone jumps on board with the "don't street race" but I have a hard time believing most are sincere.

When I lived in Florida and was in my mid to late 20's, I used to race my Cobra at Moroso on Wednesday and Friday nights and then street race in Lake Worth or Pompano on Saturday nights. While I never had an accident, I did have a close call in West Palm that convinced me that I needed to stop or I'd die. Interestingly enough, I would still go to car hang outs, but declined street racing from that point on. I used to bring my 12.57 time slip with me to shut up any bench racers and offered to race them at the track instead. For the sake of irony, about a month after I stopped racing, an older couple was killed on Lake Worth Road (and 447) when a street racer in a Camaro lost control and hit them head on at over 120 mph.

Now, at the age of 37, I live in a small town in Indiana. I haven't even been revved at or messed with since being here and I temper my occasional desire for speed by launching from a stop on a deserted road and not exceeding 70 (basically running first, second and a small part of third), but I do it by myself. if someone does want to play, they can find someone else. I have a wife at home that I love too much and would much rather see at the end of the day. When I get the itch to go 100+, I take it to the track.

I suppose you can call me reformed.

Andy
 
Bostedquest said:
You can think whatever you want.
I could really care less.
And do not even bring up the military you punk... I did 4 years. Quess what, I VOLUNTEERED FOR IT. I KNEW THE RISKS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THAT SIGNS UP. THERE IS NOTHING that can tie street racing and drunk driving to MILITARY SERVICE.

When I see an accident, I can usually tell what was the cause. And yes I have stopped to help ACCIDENTS. And if I have the choice of helping the DRUNK or the STREET RACER (THAT CAUSED IT) or the person they hit, I help the person they HIT, NOT THEM.

And yes I have pulled several people from wreaks. I have even gone into streams where the car was submerged to pull the person out.

If I see a car wrapped around a tree, or a light pole on a clear night with dry roads... I keep on driving, I get out to help a passanger that has crawled out and take them to the hospital.

Namecalling, nice way to continue the debate, 2 more points on the ignorance chart for you. But I do have to give it to you, your a real saint saving all those people from those wrecks.

For those of you idiot enough to not understand my point with the military thing, it basically means that pretty well nobody deserves to die, unless they've killed themselves. Sure, they could roll their car into somebody elses while street-racing and kill the innocent driver, but why lose two lives to one wreckless mistake. Don't be dumb... Punk.

P.S. I'm still in awe that there was MORE THAN ONE of you to think that I was tying military service and street racing directly. Go back and finish grade 8, I think that's what we took "Figures of Speech".
 
drivemusicnow said:
If those are the most ignorant comments you've ever heard, then you must not talk to a lot of people.

Face it. While i don't agree with everything he said, i do agree with some. I don't think I would just drive by, however if they die, I wouldn't think twice about it. If you are stupid enough to drive drunk, you deserve punishment. If you're stupid enough to street race, you deserve punishment. Call it Darwin and or God kicking some ass.

and don't even TRY to bring military into the same category as drunks and street racers. NOT EVEN CLOSE to the same thing! you should be ashamed that you even connected them.

You people obviously haven't seen what one drunk driver can do to a family. so stop talking before you show your ignorance even more.

Well, how does THIS grab you? TWO friends of mine were killed in high school as a result of a drunk driver, they were struck head-on and both died instantly. But I should shut my mouth, I'm too ignorant to talk about tragedy :rolleyes: .

Also, why would I be ashamed you failed to make any kind of a proper connection when I brought military service into the mix? YOU brought it into the same category when you said it.. Wow.

In any case, I think I'm finished argueing with people who fail to keep a discussion on an intelligent level. Also, that's really sad to hear that a 24 year-old man died in a street-racing accident, at-fault or not.
 
Now Im not saying street racing is smart but when you live over4 hours from a track, its kinda hard not to pull your car or launch. I dont go out street racing like whoa but sometime it just happens.


Quick Question, IF ,I said IF you were racing someone on the street, the other person get into a accedent, would you stop to help? Thats Murder, no matter what way you look at it Its neglegance( i cant spell).You are most likely going to jail. Your at fault just the same..... Im not an a$$hole. I wouldnt expect for the other person to stay and say oh here i am we were racing..... I remember an incedent around here when this happend and the kid got put away for MURDER.

Its a differant story if you hit someone, now you have to take action for you mistake..

I know most will dog my comment and say street racing is dumb,im heartless, but i just dont see myself possibly doing life because the other person couldnt controll there car. And i said i expect the other person to leave to.
 
Jeremoose said:
Well, how does THIS grab you? TWO friends of mine were killed in high school as a result of a drunk driver, they were struck head-on and both died instantly. But I should shut my mouth, I'm too ignorant to talk about tragedy :rolleyes: .

Also, why would I be ashamed you failed to make any kind of a proper connection when I brought military service into the mix? YOU brought it into the same category when you said it.. Wow.

In any case, I think I'm finished argueing with people who fail to keep a discussion on an intelligent level. Also, that's really sad to hear that a 24 year-old man died in a street-racing accident, at-fault or not.
You began the arguement after I posted my oppinions.
You tried to say that by volunteering in the m,ilitary, that they should have nothing to help them if they get hurt and or die.
I blasted you for that comment because that is the stupiedest thing I have ever heard.
There is a difference between getting hurt/dying while doing something that is YOU JOB.
If you are stupid enough to street race and get into an accident, that is tought luck for you. I will not help you one bit.
Hell, who is to say that you will not go out get another car do it all over again and that time kill someone. Yeah that makes it all worth while saving you so you could kill someone else.

And can you honestly say that if you were following your friends that you would have helped that drunk driver?
 
SoCalGST said:
The guy who was racing him called the cops later to tell them it was him who was racing the civic, no arrest was made or charges brought against him, as of yet, the PD turned the case over to the da and we'll see what hapens from there.

such a tragedy... :(
It'll go to vehicular manslaughter.
 
wel as of now they aren't going to charge him becuase he didn't hit the civic, what happened was the civic lost the race and he tried to dodge a car in his lane by swerving behind the ca he was racing thats when he fishtailed and wrecked, so they can only charge the other car with racing, and speeding, reckless endangerment, they can't even get him for fleeing the scene of an accident because he wasn't part of it.
 
chr0n03939 said:
wel as of now they aren't going to charge him becuase he didn't hit the civic, what happened was the civic lost the race and he tried to dodge a car in his lane by swerving behind the ca he was racing thats when he fishtailed and wrecked, so they can only charge the other car with racing, and speeding, reckless endangerment, they can't even get him for fleeing the scene of an accident because he wasn't part of it.
Unless a cop was there to witness it, they cannot charge him with anything. It is all hearsay. He can say I did XXX, but the cops have to PROVE it. And that is exactly what his lawyer will say in court if they decide to charge him with anything.

And if he did not hit the car that crashed, he is not at fault. He cannot be blamed for it one bit. Was he a contributing factor? maybe after the fact, the other decided to race he was not forced into it. But again that is all conjecture and not able to be proven.

Vehicular manslughter is when a driver is directly respondsible for killing another person. A passanger, a driver in another car by hitting them or forcing them to crash or a pedestrian that had the right of way.

Drunk drivers get hit with that chgarge all the time... too bad it is usually dismissed/not prosecuted... :notgood:
 
Wait wait wait..how could they charge the guy with anything its NOT HIS fault the civic wrecked...the driver in the civic DECIDED himself to race, its not like he forced him to.

Thats like someone failing to stop behind you, rear ending you, the person in the vehicle dies and you get charged for manslaughter.
 
It's cool, here in Oregon Portland Internation Raceway opens up on the weekend for all night drag racing the price...$20. You get the tree, the timmer and all the good stuff. All the DSMers I know only race in that venue. I've ever hear of people getting small sponsorships up there. I haven't bean up there yet, due to boost creep issues, but one I get my turbo ported I curious to see what my time will be.
 
I street race on occasion. It really is like everything personal choice. A lot of times the people you see that wreck and die had no business racing at all street or track. You get a lot of careless idiots that can't actually drive don't know their limits or the cars and thats what causes the problems. I've been a lot closer to wrecking because some idiot was on their cell and not paying attention. You just have to weigh the circumstance at hand. If I happened to race an idiot (and I have) you just let them go. Know your limits If you don't feel completely safe then call it quits even if you have the faster car. If somebody 24 or 60 dies in race, street or otherwise dies I feel no remorse they new the risks and it's their fault for overstepping their boundries. Everyone that races should know the limits of their cars and themselves. People die because they overstep these limits a simple lack of personal self control.
 
TOPSECRET said:
I street race on occasion. It really is like everything personal choice. A lot of times the people you see that wreck and die had no business racing at all street or track. You get a lot of careless idiots that can't actually drive don't know their limits or the cars and thats what causes the problems. I've been a lot closer to wrecking because some idiot was on their cell and not paying attention. You just have to weigh the circumstance at hand. If I happened to race an idiot (and I have) you just let them go. Know your limits If you don't feel completely safe then call it quits even if you have the faster car. If somebody 24 or 60 dies in race, street or otherwise dies I feel no remorse they new the risks and it's their fault for overstepping their boundries. Everyone that races should know the limits of their cars and themselves. People die because they overstep these limits a simple lack of personal self control.
EXACTLY :thumb:
 
over here the speed limit on the freeway is like 65, but the traffic moves at like 95+, its pretty funny tho caus you will see one of those speed boxes and it will say something like "your speed", then have an led screen with numbers like 95, 93, 97, 95 popping up for every car, then right under the led screen it says "the speed limit is 65"
 
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