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HOW BAD ARE YOUR DSM's STREET MANNERS?

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I dont even have a stero in my car haha! And the no traction issue i can agree with for sure. Even goin down the highway at 70 80 or well above if i lay into it its up in smoke i go! I just ordered my drag radials last week hopefully that will help severly. The worst is driving in early summer mornings to work when the road is all moist and cool.

And about the rear view mirrors i always take them out of my cars because my cars are all so low even a taureses headlights blind me haha
 
NO PS

8pt roll cage

racing seats

5pt harnesses

lowered with eibach

3 inch exhaust

no cruise control

274 cams

act 2900

prothane mounts

no bs

no interior

no a/c

and i can run NLTS LOL :)
 
- No BS
- No Cruise Control
- No Emissions
- Avid Motor Mounts Aluminum ;D
- PS FTW...
- AC FTW.. especially during the humid summer + leather seats..gross.
- ABS? Soon to be deleted. ;D
- T67 .82AR DBB


--- Too many things to list ---

I for one would need the AC. I have a weird body temperature
 
- Avid Motor Mounts Aluminum ;D

Everyone in this thread that said prothane mounts has no idea how soft they are until you run a full set of these bad boys. Add these to a set of pretty big cams and you get a sweet back massage while sitting at traffic lights.
 
Everyone in this thread that said prothane mounts has no idea how soft they are until you run a full set of these bad boys. Add these to a set of pretty big cams and you get a sweet back massage while sitting at traffic lights.

I really don't even think that the prothanes are that bad personally. I'm sure it could be much worse... like running solids.
 
Hey im from texas and im keeping my P/S...

currently don't have AC... but im getting that back before summer comes cause its kills not having ac in texas during summer, it my dd to soo ya!

Got balance shaft elimated, prothane mounts, act 2100 clutch (but it really isn't bad), no cruisecontrol, wastegate dump, catless 3" turboback (but sounds DAMN good and ALOT quieter than those damn hondas!!!), back seats gone for now...(out mainly cause im still fixing my baby up and my back seat is my tool box) and i think thats about it for now!!

Everyone in this thread that said prothane mounts has no idea how soft they are until you run a full set of these bad boys. Add these to a set of pretty big cams and you get a sweet back massage while sitting at traffic lights.

haha that would be nice, cause i could sure use those everyday before i get home to my chick...eeeee :/ !! but my dash makes way too much noise for now!!!
 
i never understood why people get rid of stuff like power windows and other luxury things when making their cars fast, but still daily drive it. i can only understand that for a full out race car. vibrations and loudness from exhausts and mounts is no big deal, but no power steering, no ac and eliminated BS, etc. on a daily driver is just dumb IMO.
 
i never understood why people get rid of stuff like power windows and other luxury things when making their cars fast, but still daily drive it. i can only understand that for a full out race car. vibrations and loudness from exhausts and mounts is no big deal, but no power steering, no ac and eliminated BS, etc. on a daily driver is just dumb IMO.

well i did a 6bolt swap into my DL, the BS was already done from a previous rebuild done but the previous owner!
The ac also was missing... Power steering on the other hand was still there soo i am using every bit of it!
and im planning on getting my AC back.... ive driven a car without ac in south texas once already and im not doing it again, not when i have to sit in traffic as long as i do everyday!!!!
 
that's a different story when something is already eliminated. my a/c has been eliminated by the previous owner and there was barely anything left. i hate not having a/c, but i don't plan on putting it back in because there is too much of the system missing and i don't want to have to use r134
 
i never understood why people get rid of stuff like power windows and other luxury things when making their cars fast, but still daily drive it. i can only understand that for a full out race car. vibrations and loudness from exhausts and mounts is no big deal, but no power steering, no ac and eliminated BS, etc. on a daily driver is just dumb IMO.

BSE on a DD dumb?? how so?
 
Eliminating balance shaft belt is a reliability mod in my opinion. Why risk you engine to a 15 dollar belt that could fail and destroy your T-belt and topend.
 
i wasnt gonna post in this thread BUT for about 6 months i ran just a dp. and for about a month before that i ran open o2 housing with no dp. it puts you to sleep on the highway and driving at night wasnt really a good idea.:nono:
 
the timing belt can snap too, but you can't eliminate that. balance shafts are there for a reason and IMO make the engine more reliable as a DD. only time i would eliminate them is when you're putting in forged parts that weigh less, then the balance shafts would overbalance the engine. it takes power to vibrate the car rather than that energy going to the wheels. why is this belt such an ordeal? doing timing belts on these cars is a snap to do.
 
the timing belt can snap too, but you can't eliminate that. balance shafts are there for a reason and IMO make the engine more reliable as a DD. only time i would eliminate them is when you're putting in forged parts that weigh less, then the balance shafts would overbalance the engine. it takes power to vibrate the car rather than that energy going to the wheels. why is this belt such an ordeal? doing timing belts on these cars is a snap to do.

Lol. Yeah, two shafts spinning twice the speed of the engine and an extra belt adds to reliability...

You've got it wrong, but it's ok, it doesn't make complete sense right off. All 4 cylinder engines have an inherent primary balance and an inherent secondary imbalance. It's because two pistons are going faster than the other two. This energy is given out no matter what. With forged parts that weigh less, the inherent balance/imbalance is still there.

With balance shafts, more energy is going out to counter act those vibrations. So not only is energy going into vibrating the car, energy is going into the shafts to cancel those vibrations out. The energy isn't going to the wheels, it's going into spinning the shafts.

An engine is more reliable without balance shafts. The forces on the crankshaft and rod are 100% the same without the shafts. The balance shafts add mechanical complexity and spin twice the engine speed. At 7 grand they are spinning at super bike RPM. 9k, F1 engine speeds. No engine has ever died from second order vibrations, more than a few have died from BS bearing failure and BS belt failure.

You can read more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline-four_engine

Getting rid of power steering and the brackets is worth it the first time you take the exhaust manifold off and can use a socket on the lower drivers side nut. Then, when you don't have to line up the two pulleys on the water pump, you'll know you've made the right decision. Put the PS pump into the recycle bin. It also cleans up the engine bay a ton.

One time I questioned the street manners of my car. I was turning into my driveway eating doritos and talking on the cell phone. I thought "why don't I have power steering". Talking on the cell phone is now illegal while driving in my state. Problem solved.
 
Lol, dumb? To each his own man. Just because you aren't willing to give up creature comforts doesn't mean others are dumb for doing so.

My list:
- No PS, CC, ABS, AC, power windows, interior plastic, back seats, carpet, sound deadening, and any miscellaneous bolts and brackets that are no longer needed
- QM clutch and Prothane engine mounts are new additions, but I don't expect them to make a big difference

I DD my car and wouldn't have it any other way. I prefer to have a purer driving experience instead of driving a house on wheels. I don't care if my car is loud, shakes, and is a little rough around the edges. It is my car, I enjoy it, and it was built for that purpose, to go fast. I really couldn't care less what other people think, if they don't like it, too bad. Frankly, if other people couldn't drive my car, I'd be happy.
 
Good post tkelly27. I was going to write a solid reply, and then i saw yours and you've got everything covered.

The main point is, balance shafts have absolutely no effect on the balance of the engine, the only thing they affect is the feeling of the engine's balance.
 
Thanks. I didn't even know I didn't have BS until I changed the timing belt the first time. I have all 4 poly mounts too. Lol, if you can notice that vibration I've been told there are princess tryouts going on. You gotta sleep on 20 mattresses and 20 feather beds or something like that, but it's a good gig if you can get it.

Oh yeah, deleting AC lets you run the super dope scirocco radiator where the condenser used to be.

Based on the design of the two, I see this as an upgrade and should contribute to reliability and streetability. The scirocco, while having less surface area, uses the whole core to cool with its dual pass design.
 
I guess mine are bad, but if I had the time to work with it I could make it much better. Its always a rush to get it tuned well for power and then of course drive ability is never worked on. Still though, I've made some serious improvements this year. I am very happy with the setup. It fired right up at 8 deg F one morning on 8ES plugs and a motorcycle battery. First crank after sitting for 2 weeks, then I drove it 15 miles. I just need to spend 5-10 hours on drive ability and it will be perfectly acceptable to take into rush hour traffic and handle it without a sweat.
 
It keeps crossing my mind to take out certain things but then both of my daughters remind me of who is driving the car sooooo........... They will both remain fairly stock in term of accesories until they decide ET is more important. Hehe.
 
I removed my balance shafts, and balanced my engine with all new forged components. I feel no loss of driveability at all. As for removing creature comforts, I won't do it. If I need to go faster, I'll just have to make more power.

For anyone who thinks their DSM lacks street manners, try driving a perfectly stock '64 Corvette. It's like driving a hay wagon compared to a DSM. Or have you ever driven a '65 Ford Cobra? It should have been built with a lift chair to get in and out. Your ACT 2100's has nothing on the mechanical linkage clutches in those cars; your left leg will have tendon damage after a few months of commuting for sure.
 
Your ACT 2100's has nothing on the mechanical linkage clutches in those cars; your left leg will have tendon damage after a few months of commuting for sure.

Sounds like my works 5 Speed Ford Turbo Diesel truck clutch.

You have to litterally fight the clutch to take off because there is soo much force against your leg when you let it out. its redonkulous.


anyways...


No Rear View mirror? kinda dumb i think, sounds like a good way to get a ticket and or in a accident.

My DSM is a DD but i don't mind a rough ride as long as its still comfortable.
 
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