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Help!! Turbos: FP , PTE Or Holset ?

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bry2gdsm

bry2gdsm

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Hi guys i need some help here but i'll explain first what are my goals with the car.

I Plan On Getting rid of my Turbo. (It's From ebay along with the manifold so it's crap) so i am upgrading both components which leaves me room for many options, not just T3 flange turbos. My Plans with the car are aside from the turbo are putting cams, springs & retainers &all that supporting mods for the cams. and on the future put some pistons & rods on the engine an build it. On Power Goals I Don't know so i will say 500hp . I Don't Know An Exact Number. This Is The Most Important thing to me: I want a turbo that would work well with stock bottom end and will give decent numbers & that will work in pair with the upgraded bottom end later on. Because I Don't have the budget to change turbos twice (17 Year Old Dsm'er With Part Time Job).

So Here My Options & My Questions Along With Them:

1. Pte 6262 Billet JB - This is the option that i know the most of, but what scares me from it is that i don't know if the technology from the JB reliabilty is the same as the sc series which are crap & will fail quickly. as i said i cannot afford to change turbo twice. The Price With The Erl Manifold Is Around 1,300.

2. Fp Turbos - I Don't know much about this turbos but i have read here that they are the best & most reliable, but more expensive but it's worth it. I Would Like To Know All The Turbos With Dsm Flange & It's Power Ratings So I Can Make A Choice.

3. Holset - I Don't Know Nothing About These But I Have Heard That The Hx-35 Model Is Popular and delivers great results. but i don't know what would i need to mount it on my car.


So In Summary if what im trying to find is turbo that would suit my need both when im stock bottom end but would not max out when i forge the bottom end
or a turbo that would the car would make like 450 hp or more.. on stock bottom end. i really like the FP because they have a clean look & it's pretty bolt on ish.

Thanks For Your Help
Brian
 
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Well Im sure alot of reputal people are going to tell you Holset.. I bought my WH1C(hx35 wheel) off cumminsforum.com for 150 shipped, FP race mani for 160 shipped, BEP bolt on dsm housing 235 shipped, punishment racing o2 housing-210 shipped, tial 38mm 125 shipped... Sounds like a decent deal for everything...
 
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I would never buy from anyone other than FP. Just my two cents.



Honestly though, after reading your post, i think you would be happy with a nicely put together evo 3 16g setup. You can make plenty of power, especially if you play with corn.
 
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cbr600teardrop said:
man to run a big turbo you need to upgrade your fuel system and get a fuel controller i would suggest a bullseye turbo after your fuel upgrade
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I Have 880cc PTE's A Wally 255 & A Safc 2 & Will Be Upgrading To Dsmlink On The Near Future

Hazard said:
I would never buy from anyone other than FP. Just my two cents.



Honestly though, after reading your post, i think you would be happy with a nicely put together evo 3 16g setup. You can make plenty of power, especially if you play with corn.
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I Have A 50 Trim So No Sireee I Not Going With A Smaller Turbo. If By Corn You Mean E-85 No It Is Not Available Here. Yet....

So Tu Put This More Clearly:

1. Which Turbos From FP Can Handle 450- 550 Whp Fine ?
2. How Reliable Is The 6262 Itself? (Because The Quality Answers Are Just To General, Maybe Based On Expiriences Based On SC Series Turbos) Because Mike @ AWD Runs This Turbo On His Evo And It Runs 8's So It Can't Be That Bad...
 
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There is a ton of information on the forum about all different kind of turbos, you should do your reading before making a choice. As far as an opinion i would pick the Holset because its cheaper, durable and it spools extremely quick since they are meant for diesel cars and their exhaust gases flow slower than their gasolines counterparts.
 
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What's with capitalizing every word in the sentence :) ?

Anyway. Justin summed up everything the best. The fp3052 is what you want if you're looking for under 550whp from an fp turbo. You want a 7blade hx35 with a bolton housing if you want the same potential and about 1/3 the cost bolted on with external gating and all. It will spool faster too. The borg warner s256 is something you should look at too. The bolt on version is great and both the hx35 and s256 bolton turbos can easily be converted to much more potent turbos by just upgrading the turbine housing (hx35 you just go back to the stock housing you got with the turbo) and get a decent t3 open header, and youre looking at a 600whp capable turbo.
 
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the billet 6262 is a badass turbo.. Its a great option.

it will put you into the mid 130's on a stock bottom end and pump gas w/meth injection. As long as its tuned properly.

Just because one guy from who cares where ran 8s on this turbo dosen't mean its the turbo to end all turbos, besides comparing HIS evo to 99.9% of any other cars using this turbo is like comparing apples to oranges.

One guy does something big and it creates such huge bandwagens. Im not bashing the 6262, but so many guys use things just because 'he did and he went fast'. I personally am going with the 6765 in the t4 version.
 
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IMO, the new Ceramic Precision Billet DBB turbos probably provide the best bang for your buck with proven results to back it up. The updated ceramic center section is supposed to add to the turbo's efficiency and durability. In fact, they're supposed to be 5x more durable than the previous dual ball bearing design. The new center section also eliminates the need for water lines for an easier install. With all that, and the fact that they're rebuild-able, seems like the new standard to me.
 
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dsm-onster said:
What's with capitalizing every word in the sentence :) ?

Anyway. Justin summed up everything the best. The fp3052 is what you want if you're looking for under 550whp from an fp turbo. You want a 7blade hx35 with a bolton housing if you want the same potential and about 1/3 the cost bolted on with external gating and all. It will spool faster too. The borg warner s256 is something you should look at too. The bolt on version is great and both the hx35 and s256 bolton turbos can easily be converted to much more potent turbos by just upgrading the turbine housing (hx35 you just go back to the stock housing you got with the turbo) and get a decent t3 open header, and youre looking at a 600whp capable turbo.
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Sorry for the caps its just that i am used to it.
so could you give a list of what would i need to put the hx35 on the dsm (housings,o2 etc.)?
Thanks For Your Help I Really Appreciate It. :thumb:

dsm darthvader said:
There is a ton of information on the forum about all different kind of turbos, you should do your reading before making a choice. As far as an opinion i would pick the Holset because its cheaper, durable and it spools extremely quick since they are meant for diesel cars and their exhaust gases flow slower than their gasolines counterparts.
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I Am Planning On Going With The Holset
Thanks For Your Help!
 
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sixfourbolt said:
IMO, the new Ceramic Precision Billet DBB turbos probably provide the best bang for your buck with proven results to back it up.
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I don't really consider a $1300 turbo "affordable" for the majority.

Bang-for-the-buck = a clean used HX35 for $200-$250, and a BEP DSM bolt-on housing for $230-$250. That's 55lb/min for under $500.

I'm sure the new PTE turbos are good quality; only time will tell if they fail as quick as their older journal bearing turbos do. However, if I'm spending $1300 on a turbo I'll spend the extra $200 and get a FP unit.
 
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jusmx141 said:
Bang-for-the-buck = a clean used HX35 for $200-$250, and a BEP DSM bolt-on housing for $230-$250. That's 55lb/min for under $500.
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Where i can find holsets besides ebay? also will the t3 housing that the holset comes will fit an erl t3 manifold or do i have to change it because of fitment issues to another t3 houding? which is better a hx-35 or a hx-40? i have read that the 40 has almost the same power rating as a 6262.

Thanks
Brian
 
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I got both of my Holsets from Ohio Truck Parts on ebay, and I'm very satisfied with my purchases and they got them to me in just 2-3 days. They always have a lot of them listed. I paid 150 for one, and 76 for the other.

bry2gdsm said:
Where i can find holsets besides ebay? also will the t3 housing that the holset comes will fit an erl t3 manifold or do i have to change it because of fitment issues to another t3 houding? which is better a hx-35 or a hx-40? i have read that the 40 has almost the same power rating as a 6262.

Thanks
Brian
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Fitment depends on if the manifold spaces the turbo out far enough from the block or not.

8-blade HX35/H1C w/ bolton BEP housing for 500 dynojet hp or less, next would be HX35 7-blade w/ t3 housing, next step HX40+. If you're going for an HX40, you need to do your research and you need to know what you're really buying since there are so many different ones.
 
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Im Looking For The Hx-35 7 blade. Will this one's power range is from 550 to 570 or less? Anyway the great thing about this turbos is that they are cheap so in case you want to upgrade you don't need lotz of cash. but which housing should i use so i can eliminate the internal wg and use the ex. wg on the erl manifold?
Thanks
Bryan
 
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bry2gdsm said:
Where i can find holsets besides ebay?
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Cummins forums, or direct from a Cummins shop if you're looking to buy new. However, don't even think of calling a Cummins dealer unless you have a part number or application for the turbo you need.

bry2gdsm said:
will the t3 housing that the holset comes will fit an erl t3 manifold or do i have to change it because of fitment issues to another t3 houding?
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It will fit, but you're talking about running an undivided manifold with a divided turbo housing in that case....and that's not really recommended.


bry2gdsm said:
which is better a hx-35 or a hx-40?
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Which is better- a DSM or an Evo?

Both turbos use the same center housing but serve completely different airflow purposes.


bry2gdsm said:
i have read that the 40 has almost the same power rating as a 6262.
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Don't let too many people hear you say that...this thread will turn into a brand war in no time.


jrohner said:
I got both of my Holsets from Ohio Truck Parts on ebay, and I'm very satisfied with my purchases and they got them to me in just 2-3 days. They always have a lot of them listed. I paid 150 for one, and 76 for the other.
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I've found the descriptions that are found on Ohio Truck Parts' listings to be quite accurate. If the turbo has damage, they let you know....they're not out to hide anything.

Most HX35's I've torn down didn't really need serviced, but my customers want the piece of mind that the turbo will have all new internals when they receive it, the same as when it was new. Nobody wants to chance a junkyard turbo that is full of metal from a blown engine, and I have run into that a time or two....if the turbo were to be bolted on without being torn down first, it would've blown in a short time.

Buying used without knowing what you're getting or where it came from is risky to someone who is planning on just bolting the turbo on and boosting, but it's a gamble I'm willing to take to get good rebuildable cores.


bry2gdsm said:
Im Looking For The Hx-35 7 blade.
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Good choice if you're going with a T3 turbine housing. The BEP T3 housing is enough to max out the 7-blade compressor.
 
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jusmx141 said:
It will fit, but you're talking about running an undivided manifold with a divided turbo housing in that case....and that's not really recommended.



Which is better- a DSM or an Evo?

Both turbos use the same center housing but serve completely different airflow purposes.



Don't let too many people hear you say that...this thread will turn into a brand war in no time.




Good choice if you're going with a T3 turbine housing. The BEP T3 housing is enough to max out the 7-blade compressor.
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A. Yeah I Know It Will Not Work @ All ,so is this the housing that i have to buy?
Tim's Turbos - Turbo Rebuilding - Steel Turbine Housing - T3 Inlet
Obviously Selecting The Holset Hx-35 Option & Without wg. but will it use a standard Mitsubishi 02 housing? (as seen in pic) or that is just a generic pic of a Mitsubishi one? Im Guessing That By Being T3 it will use a 4 or 5 bolt flange. Right?

B. The question was not correctly formulated, what i wanted to say was for what power levels it's each turbo (Based On Cars That Have These Turbos & Have Made Numbers @ Dyno) & what would i need to run each (pistons,rods,etc.)

C. Hehe sorry but that's just what i've read on here, maybe there just hating!

D. By Max Out Do You Mean Efficiently Working Or That Y May Need A New Compressor Wheel?

Aside From Those Questions I Still Have A Few Doubts:

A. Im On The Stock Bottom End. Could I Run 20 PSi safely without breaking it?

B. I Have 880cc Injectors I Think Those May Be To Small Or They Are Ok?

Thanks For All The Help!
Bryan
 
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bry2gdsm said:
A. Yeah I Know It Will Not Work @ All ,so is this the housing that i have to buy?
Tim's Turbos - Turbo Rebuilding - Steel Turbine Housing - T3 Inlet
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That housing is no longer available. All T3-flanged HX35 housings are .70 a/r and are set up for a 3" v-band on the outlet.

Last I heard, Tim's isn't even answering his phone or emails anymore. Try buying direct from Bullseye or from one of their trusted distributors, like G-Pop Shop.

bry2gdsm said:
A. Im On The Stock Bottom End. Could I Run 20 PSi safely without breaking it?
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If you're on the stock bottom end and only planning on running 20psi, none of these turbos are what you're looking for. There are smaller / less laggier choices for 20psi.

bry2gdsm said:
B. I Have 880cc Injectors I Think Those May Be To Small Or They Are Ok?
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880's are fine for 30-35psi on a HX35 with pump / race fuel.
 
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jusmx141 said:
If you're on the stock bottom end and only planning on running 20psi, none of these turbos are what you're looking for. There are smaller / less laggier choices for 20psi.
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I Mean It's Temporarily Until I Can Put Some Pistons & Rods , Then I Plan To Run 35 Psi More Or Less. How Laggier Is The Hx 35 & 40? Laggier Than a 6262 Or A GT35R Or 50 Trim Turbo?

Thanks
Brian
 
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Holset hx35 will do more than enough for you... i dont have any personal experience with the holset turbos but a buddy of mine has an hx40 and it spools up around 4k.. just focus on fuel and injectors... as far as the manifold goes... it seems like many people have problems with aftermarket manis cracking and whatnot... i think you should go with a 2g one and just have it ported.
 
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