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Bill, I asked earlier in the thread maybe it got over looked. What are your current plans for the drivetrain? (2jg obviously), which trans and rear are you wanted to use? Are you planing on keeping A/C, power steering, cruise, etc? What EMS are you planing on using? Just trying to gather a general idea of your thoughts here. Like I said before, I think the swap is a great idea.
 
I dont care, did he build it? He clearly had a shop build his car and now thinks thats DSM are expensive to build, and they are not.
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Weird..Did he say that or that slowboys built the motor? So, slowboys must have built my car to then if thats the case. Who built the other cars? Seems like a pretty knowledgeable person if you ask me. They are expensive to build when built right...just like every car. You pay for what you get. Supra's are expensive for one reason. They are tough as nails.
 
I say your money, your car, and your time; you do whatever you want. Good luck with the project...hopefully it works out.
 
I really didn't want to post but for some reason I have to.

First, read the OP's rules.... it's his post and his rules. Abide by them or don't post. Jeez there are so many childish people on here these days.

Second, have you ever driven in a 500+ whp dsm vs a 500+ whp supra(or any 2jz car.) Any of you that have high hp dsm's which are very few of you, and even less that are posting here. Then you know what I'm talking about, it's really not a smooth power transition. I'd personally love to see what difference just the engine makes as far as smooth power. I've owned a lot of dsm's and I will own more, but please wake up people, there are better power plants out there.....

Hey OP, if you finish this I think the next will be a awd supra. :thumb:

-charlie
 
phunny said:
wake up people, there are better power plants out there.....
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Precisely. The 4g63 is a primitive power plant. It's great at making power, but it's unrefined. The 2jz is a bulletproof engine. I mean seriously people... there's 1500hp and 1800hp kits for these things. Can't people respect engines here that aren't made by Mitsubishi? :banghead:

Cut the poor guy a break.
 
lacroixdp said:
Precisely. The 4g63 is a primitive power plant. It's great at making power, but it's unrefined. The 2jz is a bulletproof engine. I mean seriously people... there's 1500hp and 1800hp kits for these things. Can't people respect engines here that aren't made by Mitsubishi? :banghead:

Cut the poor guy a break.
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Not sure if you noticed, but 98% of these posters have well under 300whp.:rolleyes: "BUT YOU CAN DO THIS AND THAT, AND IT'S CHEAP!" Is that why you haven't? :rolleyes:
 
phunny said:
Not sure if you noticed, but 98% of these posters have well under 300whp.:rolleyes: "BUT YOU CAN DO THIS AND THAT, AND IT'S CHEAP!" Is that why you haven't? :rolleyes:
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That may be true, but you cant measure a persons knowledge by their HP numbers.

My car is pretty much stock, i know it can be built to make good HP numbers for cheap, that doesn't mean i have the extra cash to do it though.

just food for thought...
 
knochgoon24 said:
I've seen some pretty big engines stuck inside a DSM before.
Here's one from a track day last summer.
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Where is the build thread or more info on this car? It's the same 2 pictures that continue to float around. How do we know it's not P-shopped?

Very poor example. That's got to be one of the worst hacks I've seen to date.
 
GofaST4life said:
That may be true, but you cant measure a persons knowledge by their HP numbers.

My car is pretty much stock, i know it can be built to make good HP numbers for cheap, that doesn't mean i have the extra cash to do it though.

just food for thought...
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I do agree you may have knowledge what you "think/know" it will take to do a build. But that is a far cry from DDing a built car. And these cars tend to nickle and dime you to death.

-charlie
 
project_tsi said:
Who's "we"? You got a turd in your pocket?
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ROFL!!!!!!


JEFFREYCASTGSX said:
Ok let me see, a 2jz with a tranny goes for no than $4000, a dsm shell you could find for cheap say $500, turbo and fuel setup $2000, your gonna need at least a AEM standalone $1500, and this doesnt include all the money spent on little things and all the fab work, plus YOUR OWN TIME AND WORK, so for $8000 you MIGHT have a 500whp 2jz swapped dsm. On the other hand i CAN get a 1g awd for say $2500, the SAME turbo/fuel will cost less on a dsm but i will say $2000 for giggles, jackal speed density for tuning and a clutch and if you want a shep rebuild for tranny reliability, another 2500, so for 7000 you WILL have a 500Awhp dsm, that IS RELIABLE.
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you can get 2J drivtrains (w/ r154 trannies, which ill be using) fore like $2500? And you dont need a standalone EMS, you can run a piggy back like an safc ont he 2jz ecu.

and the street potential for the 2JZ GTE is higher than the 4G63...


JEFFREYCASTGSX said:
I dont care, did he build it? He clearly had a shop build his car and now thinks thats DSM are expensive to build, and they are not.
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How do you know about my build? LOL

I had shep build the tranny which I couldn't do myself. Slowboy ported, polished and flow-benched the head. I assembled the head myself.

The block was completely built by slowboy. Blueprinted balanced and punched out to 2.4L.

I bought every part brand new. It wasn't cheap.

You guys know the age old saying... power, reliability, cost. Pick two.



e85_4g63 said:
Bill, I asked earlier in the thread maybe it got over looked. What are your current plans for the drivetrain? (2jg obviously), which trans and rear are you wanted to use? Are you planing on keeping A/C, power steering, cruise, etc? What EMS are you planing on using? Just trying to gather a general idea of your thoughts here. Like I said before, I think the swap is a great idea.
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I actually have a 2JZ longblock I was going to use in a 240, but I sold the shell and decided to go with a one off project. I'll need to source a tranny and an ecu which will run me about $800. I also have to snag a rear end, and find a shop that can build me a driveshaft. I have really been wanting to build another GSX.

So this is where I stand. I probably will keep p/s, but not a/c or cruise.
 
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I would like to see it completed. And I wont argue the part about SMOOTH power. A larger displacement inline engine with 2 more pistons is bound to be capable of smoother power delivery. I think most peoples point here was cost and the fact that the 4G can do it reliably. But if your after a specific power curve sometimes you have to do what you have to do to obtain it.

I assume this is a point and shoot car though, as DSM's are already font heavy. And I can only imagen sticking a 2JZ in one is only going to throw off the weight balance even more.
 
I think it's a cool project. I can't wait to see the finished product. Good luck.
 
99gst_racer said:
I wouldn't do it, but I think it's cool. The best part of a DSM is the engine - so if I were going to swap the powerplant, I'd also use a cooler looking chassis. Just my .02.

Good luck with the swap. :thumb: I can't wait to see how everything fits.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Lol!! Well im very excited about this build. Just for the thought of having a 2JZ swap in a eclipse. I loved the 2jz the first time i was taken for a hell ride on a highway 2 years agowith my bro-in-laaw. Ive never felt sick to my stomache with the ass end sliding in 4th and 5th. I am for the build but am concerned with your weight issues. Comapare a rx-7 which is the 2-rotary turbo capable of decent hp and very good drifting because of the medium front weight and light rear weight. Now a Supra (brother-in-law has both) he tells me with the heavy front weight and medium rear weight he can drift decently but still has the tendency to cook out and spin out. Now your going to have an eclipse with a very heavy front end and a very light rear end and plan to drift, i think that you will ahve a lot of issues with the rear tires steering that huge nose around corners (drifting) without the nose planting and your tail whipping. Hence, you cant drift a mustang for shit. Well, most can't. Id suggest find a heavy drivetrain and weighting for the rear. Also some very good suspension. Personally, 3 years ago i made the mistake of dropping near 3k on a bottom end, 2k on a head, another 1k on a turbo, and close to 3k more on supporting mods and bolt-ons through the nose. My brother helped me build, i was and still am sort of dumb at some things, but we made 500awhp on 93 oct. The car lasted for 2 passes on a track before the tranny went out, that was another 500, then the transfer case fried after 3 more passes, another 500, then it threw a rod on my last pass of the summer After all my hard work was put through, all in all im broke now so no more fun, but i tell you what, that 10k i wasted on that car when i was 16 could have put down over 1000hp on a 2JZ. Now im smart and am doing smaller mods with my gst. Good luck, innovation is something people lack, don't let no on try to take that away. Keep us posted!!
 
i think the swap is a cool idea.
like to see it happen.

the 4g63 is a great engine, but so is the 2jz.
a rwd 2jz in a dsm is original, never been done, and would be cool to see.

people should stop flaming cause he doesnt want to use the 4g63.
good luck OP
 
EclipticalGS said:
Lol!! Well im very excited about this build. Just for the thought of having a 2JZ swap in a eclipse. I loved the 2jz the first time i was taken for a hell ride on a highway 2 years agowith my bro-in-laaw. Ive never felt sick to my stomache with the ass end sliding in 4th and 5th. I am for the build but am concerned with your weight issues. Comapare a rx-7 which is the 2-rotary turbo capable of decent hp and very good drifting because of the medium front weight and light rear weight. Now a Supra (brother-in-law has both) he tells me with the heavy front weight and medium rear weight he can drift decently but still has the tendency to cook out and spin out. Now your going to have an eclipse with a very heavy front end and a very light rear end and plan to drift, i think that you will ahve a lot of issues with the rear tires steering that huge nose around corners (drifting) without the nose planting and your tail whipping. Hence, you cant drift a mustang for shit. Well, most can't. Id suggest find a heavy drivetrain and weighting for the rear. Also some very good suspension. Personally, 3 years ago i made the mistake of dropping near 3k on a bottom end, 2k on a head, another 1k on a turbo, and close to 3k more on supporting mods and bolt-ons through the nose. My brother helped me build, i was and still am sort of dumb at some things, but we made 500awhp on 93 oct. The car lasted for 2 passes on a track before the tranny went out, that was another 500, then the transfer case fried after 3 more passes, another 500, then it threw a rod on my last pass of the summer After all my hard work was put through, all in all im broke now so no more fun, but i tell you what, that 10k i wasted on that car when i was 16 could have put down over 1000hp on a 2JZ. Now im smart and am doing smaller mods with my gst. Good luck, innovation is something people lack, don't let no on try to take that away. Keep us posted!!
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This is the exact reason why I made this thread, and I appreciate the people who have contributed to this thread with the mindset of conquering this idea and making it both FEASIBLE and FUNCTIONAL... It saves a lot of headache and time when it comes down to building a car when you have a majority of the problems ironed out before you even start it.

We need to get a lot of things documented and I'm going to start editing my post with the information gathered. I'm working on a pin out chart for the wiring right now, I've just been busy with work and personal things and haven't had time to really go full on at it.

If anyone has information on this it would be extremely helpful:
- Weight of different rear-ends compared to the OEM 95-99 rear-end
- Dimensions of the engine bay (between towers, between frame rails, bottom of oil pan to hood)

Another thing I was thinking about was gauge cluster, and also the ignition. I will most likely go with a full set of autometer gauges, unless I can come up with another easy fix.

Does anyone know, or have a good educated guess if the factory Mitsubishi ignition will work with the Toyota ecu?


Thanks guys, I really appreciate the support!
 
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Lol on the rickroll!

Anyways I'd like to say a little something. Disregarding everything that was what engine is better than the other, etc, this is going to be a fun project, and I'm eager to see it completed. I enjoy custom swaps regardless of the reasoning. I've seen a IIRC 2jz (may have been a 1jz) in a fox body mustang and the swap was awesome IMO. A local buddy of mine is also converting his 2g to a RWD platform although still using the 4g63. The car already has a Ford 9" rear end that was installed last year when the car was still awd, the axles need to be narrowed a bit to fit much wider tires but other than that one of the best rear end setups available is already in the car.

Good luck with your project and please post many pics for me to ooogle at when you begin this endeavor.
 
I have also been thinking about the weight distribution of the vehicle quite a bit.

With these things, I honestly believe that the weight distribution could actually be improved over stock:
- the A/C and power steering components out of the car
- a heavier rear end (supra, 300zx, 3000GT, etc)
- the drive train moved back as close as [comfortably] possible to the firewall
- carbon hood
- possibly adding weight to the rear

And I still think it will weigh less than a Stock GSX
 
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Sounds about right, I have a shell sitting right now, ill measure everything possible when i get home around 2:30.
 
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