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Wingz Performance HTA35R *701.59hp*

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95blackGsTurbo

DSM Wiseman
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Aug 10, 2003
Algona, Iowa
Copied from a local site. Friend of mine. The car is simply amazing. The guy is a fantastic tuner and is a great person if you need advice. Takes a lot of time out of his day to help people with their cars/tunes. Has just about every EVO down here running on E85 LOL (Not quite but close).

Wingz Performance - Custom Tuning

Here you go... Just wanted to share/brag whatever you call it.

What's changed? I only made 668 whp last time on the dyno at same boost level but the head was lifting on the 2 year old ARP headstuds. I finally got around to installing new hg and ARP L19's and wholla!! This is from same tune that was dyno'd 2 months ago.

Now if I can just stop breaking rear axels and make a clean pass down the track.

Setup:
- Wingz 2.4L + stage3 head + off the shelf Comp400 cams
- AEM EMS
- T3 HTA35R
- blah, blah, blah

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I love the torque numbers but from 5000-7800 the car loses 200hp, and torque drops like crazy. Is this car still on a stock intake manifold? It seems to me like there is something restricting it from breathing on the topend of the graph. The power is great but dies off "way" too suddenly, was something not mentioned?
 
The car is running a JMFab Intake Manifold.
 
I love the torque numbers but from 5000-7800 the car loses 200hp, and torque drops like crazy. Is this car still on a stock intake manifold? It seems to me like there is something restricting it from breathing on the topend of the graph. The power is great but dies off "way" too suddenly, was something not mentioned?

It seems like the turbo has a small t3 exhaust housing. I wonder if its a .63 a/r. Maybe something with the way the cams are setup in the head also.
 
It's a .82 housing an running 280 cams. This is on a 2.4L don't forget.
 
It's a .82 housing an running 280 cams. This is on a 2.4L don't forget.

Well the fp4s are different then 280s. Housing seems ok maybe. I hear of alot of subaru guys running 35rs with even bigger housings since there running 2.5 2.6 liter motors to allow it to breathe better.

Its good info, I wonder if adjusting the the cams, or going with some fp2x or fp3s would help more since the fp4s are acually alittle less duration/lift then those two. I would also like to see other dyno graphs from other 2.4s with kinda the same setups, or even my car with a 2.4,gt42, fp2 cams.

Edit: Heres a post I like http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/183700-fp2-vs-fp3-back-back.html

Altough less hp, but you get the idea. I wonder if the motor is outflowing the turbo, or the turbo is just peaked there.
 
Great numbers but it doesnt seem to be that high for that turbo....my friend Josh made just shy of 700 on regular sunoco 93 octane gas plus meth on a regular 35r at roughly 32-34psi in his evo.
 
Great numbers but it doesnt seem to be that high for that turbo....my friend Josh made just shy of 700 on regular sunoco 93 octane gas plus meth on a regular 35r at roughly 32-34psi in his evo.

What is a regular 35r? That is a 35r the hta dosent make it have more hp. All I know is hta wheels are just mikronited compressor wheels, that look polished, and supositly spool faster. Its all in tuning also. Some people feel safer on race gas, then pump gas. Pump+meth= race gas.

Id like to see your friends dyno sheets for purpose, its good to compare things. Evos are definatly a different animal in sense also.
 
What is a regular 35r? That is a 35r the hta dosent make it have more hp. All I know is hta wheels are just mikronited compressor wheels, that look polished. Its all in tuning also. Some people feel safer on race gas, then pump gas.

Id like to see your friends dyno sheets for purpose, its good to compare things.

Ill see if he can post it up...he lives in seattle, not sure if he even has an account but ill see if he can just post it up on my name or somethin. Yea its a regular 35r w/all the bells and whistles as far as everything else goes except its still a 2.0. The car's pretty fast as i went for a ride right after he got it all done.....1-4th gear in seconds, literally.

Nate at TPG tuned it though if that helps as far as a good tune's concerned :)
 
Ill see if he can post it up...he lives in seattle, not sure if he even has an account but ill see if he can just post it up on my name or somethin. Yea its a regular 35r w/all the bells and whistles as far as everything else goes except its still a 2.0. The car's pretty fast as i went for a ride right after he got it all done.....1-4th gear in seconds, literally.

Nate at TPG tuned it though if that helps as far as a good tune's concerned :)

Yeah evo transmissions are pretty rev happy. Im sure Nate has alot to do with it also.

Alot of it is how far someone is willing to take the tune. I mean I tuned my car, and Im sure theres alot left. I could put 3-4 more degrees of timing into it, pull some more fuel out. But seasons winding down, and I dont have a cage in the car.

Compression, cams, cam timing, boost, engine timing, a/f ratio can change alot of crap.

I would like to hear more about this car in the post. Id like to see that power band hang higher longer, and smoothed out as it drops off. Im sure that thing is one nasty ride.
 
Great numbers but it doesnt seem to be that high for that turbo....my friend Josh made just shy of 700 on regular sunoco 93 octane gas plus meth on a regular 35r at roughly 32-34psi in his evo.

please, trap speed is what counts. Dyno numbers can range greatly, + / - %20 dynos are tuning tools. All too often I see cars that supposidly make similar power And weight but one traps 20mph faster.
 
Well the fp4s are different then 280s. Housing seems ok maybe. I hear of alot of subaru guys running 35rs with even bigger housings since there running 2.5 2.6 liter motors to allow it to breathe better.

Its good info, I wonder if adjusting the the cams, or going with some fp2x or fp3s would help more since the fp4s are acually alittle less duration/lift then those two. I would also like to see other dyno graphs from other 2.4s with kinda the same setups, or even my car with a 2.4,gt42, fp2 cams.

Edit: Heres a post I like http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/183700-fp2-vs-fp3-back-back.html

Altough less hp, but you get the idea. I wonder if the motor is outflowing the turbo, or the turbo is just peaked there.

You stole the words right out of my mouth.
 
Hi everyone. This is my car with the dyno results. Only if I can make more than 2 or 3 clean passes without snapping rear axles, I can tell you car has 140+ MPH in it. Last time out I rolled out of hole on 1st two runs and it 12.1 @133 2.1sixty, run 2 11.8 @137MPH 2.2sixty then got greedy and said f#$% it and launched it. Well you know the outcome :ohdamn:

On the waiting list to get a set from DSMGraveyard as they are coming out with first batch of 800hp rear axles. :hellyeah:

As far as the power drop off, there's definitely a bottle neck in the system. What? I can exactly pinpoint just yet. The JMF SMIM is street version with 2.5in IC piping and Ebay FMIC. 3in TBE setup.
 
Hi everyone. This is my car with the dyno results. Only if I can make more than 2 or 3 clean passes without snapping rear axles, I can tell you car has 140+ MPH in it. Last time out I rolled out of hole on 1st two runs and it 12.1 @133 2.1sixty, run 2 11.8 @137MPH 2.2sixty then got greedy and said f#$% it and launched it. Well you know the outcome :ohdamn:

On the waiting list to get a set from DSMGraveyard as they are coming out with first batch of 800hp rear axles. :hellyeah:

As far as the power drop off, there's definitely a bottle neck in the system. What? I can exactly pinpoint just yet. The JMF SMIM is street version with 2.5in IC piping and Ebay FMIC. 3in TBE setup.

Very nice. Id like too see if you can fix that top end, even though it dosent really mean anything. Id rather see track times any day.

Im too rocking a ebay front mount, and the jmf street version with 2.5 ic pipes. Im running a 3 1/2 inch turbo back....which now that I see that your running a 3 inch I would like too see if something bigger would maybe help since your making some big numbers on a 2.4.

Do you think maybe going to a fp3 or 2x cam and degreeing/setting up with adjustable cam gears would help also? Im thinking it might.

Very interested in this setup. After I get some stupid passes on the gt42, im probably going to a smaller hta86 or something 6262 to have some fun. This thing looks like its fun to drive.
 
Thanks!!

Car is insanely fun and very nasty on the street. It's actually scary opening it up on the tuning road and which I would have never thought after owning an 800+whp MKIV Supra.

1fastlaser - Adjustable cam gears to dial these comp400 cams or fp3x or 2x cams could help the top end.

eviltsi- I have always thought that myself but my intake temps would increase ~3-5 degrees from where it was during a pass. On the streets, intake temps are under control. I'm in AZ so it could be 115 degrees or 100 degrees at night :cry: I've definitely consider many times going with ETS 4in core but I hate changing setup. Such a PIA.
 
Thanks!!

Car is insanely fun and very nasty on the street. It's actually scary opening it up on the tuning road and which I would have never thought after owning an 800+whp MKIV Supra.

1fastlaser - Adjustable cam gears to dial these comp400 cams or fp3x or 2x cams could help the top end.

eviltsi- I have always thought that myself but my intake temps would increase ~3-5 degrees from where it was during a pass. On the streets, intake temps are under control. I'm in AZ so it could be 115 degrees or 100 degrees at night :cry: I've definitely consider many times going with ETS 4in core but I hate changing setup. Such a PIA.


If you want to get fansy. Get a ebay 4 inch core. Try it then try some big company core. I have a feeling it wouldnt change anything from the 2 different 4inch cores:cool:

Im still thinking that even, putting some adjustable cam gears on the fp4s, and playing around with the timing on them will help the top end. Its got mad low end, and the top end falls off fast.

Keep us updated!
 
Hi everyone. This is my car with the dyno results. Only if I can make more than 2 or 3 clean passes without snapping rear axles, I can tell you car has 140+ MPH in it. Last time out I rolled out of hole on 1st two runs and it 12.1 @133 2.1sixty, run 2 11.8 @137MPH 2.2sixty then got greedy and said f#$% it and launched it. Well you know the outcome :ohdamn:

On the waiting list to get a set from DSMGraveyard as they are coming out with first batch of 800hp rear axles. :hellyeah:

As far as the power drop off, there's definitely a bottle neck in the system. What? I can exactly pinpoint just yet. The JMF SMIM is street version with 2.5in IC piping and Ebay FMIC. 3in TBE setup.

WTF WHAT??? I want details on this if they're less than the DSS I want in.


Edit: SHIT I just called they're just for 2g's
 
Also forgot to mention the OBX T3 manifold. Even I am surprised at this and how well it has performed/held up.
 
I stand corrected.
 
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