I was on ebay motors the other day and came across this

eBay Motors: Mitsubishi EVO 1-3 Turbocharger TD06SL2 25T 3" Cover (item 120370417831 end time Feb-27-09 13:24:39 PST)

Apparently the brand is Kinugawa. I searched through there ebay store and they sell alot of MHI turbos some of which are a 18g and the small 20g. The prices seem decent. So i was wondering what everyones opinions on them are or if anyone has bought a turbo from them.

Thanks

I've never heard of a "25t" compressor wheel and it appears to be a little smaller than a 25g mhi wheel.
I can't comment personally on the quality, but it does not appear to be a real "mhi" turbo
I would probably steer clear get a true mhi

I wouldnt be the first to try it for that much money. I wish whoever decides to try it the best of luck.

Yeah the price is a little high for an unknown turbo, which is why I'm hoping someone on here might have bought one or if someone with extra money can buy one and test it out. They have alot of good feedback but it seems like only WRX people are buying from them.

Now THAT looks like a well-built piece...the Chinese should take notice! Look how much better the wastegate flapper area is built compared to your run-of-the-mill $199 eBay 16G. As long as the turbine wheels don't break off like the GT Concepts Evo III 16G, I would trust this turbo.

I don't know what they're going for with the way that compressor cover is set up facing upward toward the hood. You'd have to rotate the compressor housing so it faces downward then drill and tap two new holes for the actuator, but that's about a 5-minute job.

The price is a little ridonculous, even for a Taiwan-built turbo.

They need to work a bit on their Engrish also.

I am sorry, but go purchase a quality Mitsubishi Heavy Industry turbo, Garrett, Holset, Borg Warner, Precision, ATP, AGP, IHI, ITS, etc.

Go purchase a Precision Turbo (PTE) SCM6031E for less. It will be a nicer turbo than this one. As well, that compressor wheel is a pretty old, inefficient design.

I would rather run a FP 18G-6SL2 turbo.

Forced Performance Turbochargers: DSM 18G-6SL2 Turbocharger

The turbine wheel is decent, but if it is using a compressor wheel the size near a 25G, it will again be using an undersized turbine wheel.

As well, boost control will be an issue. I would recommend either running high boost, or using an external wastegate as boost creep will likely occur on a 3" turbo-back.

Engrish...

A close buddy of mine had so many problems with his 6031E last summer that he would've happily tried one of these in it's place if it would hold up.

A 60mm compressor wheel with a 7cm2 exhaust housing is just asking for compressor surge.

Heres a link to their eBay store.
Items for Sale by authentic-boosting
Apparently they say there turbos are 100% authentic and I'm assuming if you disagree you can send it back(or not buy it). There 18g looks real(keyword = looks). If they are real MHI turbos then the prices are pretty good. The reason the outlet on the turbo is facing up is because its made for the evo 1-3, but that turbo will fit a dsm flange manifold and o2 housing. Thanks for all the input, lets keep it going.

JMiller said:

Heres a link to their eBay store.
Items for Sale by authentic-boosting
Apparently they say there turbos are 100% authentic and I'm assuming if you disagree you can send it back(or not buy it). There 18g looks real(keyword = looks). If they are real MHI turbos then the prices are pretty good. The reason the outlet on the turbo is facing up is because its made for the evo 1-3, but that turbo will fit a dsm flange manifold and o2 housing. Thanks for all the input, lets keep it going.

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Have you ever seen a EVO III engine bay? It is very identical to DSM engines. Your explanation is not correct, they just put it on wrong.

It definitely appears to be made of better quality than the chinese turbos and better be for the cost. I've heard of taiwan copies of mhi turbos performing very well and being the same specs as original mhis. i have yet to hear of this compressor wheel. I've seen a 24v compressor wheel floating around ebay on mhi turbos that is smaller than this wheel
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/322460-mhi-24v-compressor-wheel.html
Note the compressor tag
If it was a $2-300 thing, id say maybe go for it, but thats a lot of money that you can spend to get a "genuine" turbo that is proven

DSMSpyder99 said:

Have you ever seen a EVO III engine bay? It is very identical to DSM engines. Your explanation is not correct, they just put it on wrong.

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Actually, based on the Evo III engine bays I've seen, JMiller's correct. What would be the lower intercooler pipe on our cars is actually in an "upper" position on the Evo III:



In this photo the turbo's compressor cover is positioned exactly the same as the one in the auction link above, and literally goes between two radiators that are welded together:

jusmx141 said:

I don't know what they're going for with the way that compressor cover is set up facing upward toward the hood. You'd have to rotate the compressor housing so it faces downward then drill and tap two new holes for the actuator, but that's about a 5-minute job.

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Not to get off topic, but is that something that is viable for the 14Bs and 16Gs? My plan is to have a custom bracket made when clocking the E3, but all I have come up with is to make a large circular piece.

Thats odd because this is how the original intake comes on a a EVO 3. In addition, the IC piping doesn't go over the heat shield. Moreover, the first picture the intake manifold doesn't look like a EVO manifold since it has the writing on it.

DSMunknown said:

Not to get off topic, but is that something that is viable for the 14Bs and 16Gs? My plan is to have a custom bracket made when clocking the E3, but all I have come up with is to make a large circular piece.

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Wouldn't be as easy on the 14B / 16G. They have towers cast into the front of the compressor cover specifically for the wastegate actuator. If you clock the housing, the towers are moved- so manufacturing an internal wastegate system for a clocked 14B / 16G would be a challenge.

On the T25 and the 20G 3" inlet compressor cover, the actuator mounts to the rear of the cover which is flat 360*. Moving the actuator after the cover has been clocked would be as simple as drilling two new holes, tapping them, and plugging the old ones.

Well a couple of GVR4's that I have seen have the intercooler hose going over the manifold like that.

jusmx141 said:

Wouldn't be as easy on the 14B / 16G. They have towers cast into the front of the compressor cover specifically for the wastegate actuator. If you clock the housing, the towers are moved- so manufacturing an internal wastegate system for a clocked 14B / 16G would be a challenge.

On the T25 and the 20G 3" inlet compressor cover, the actuator mounts to the rear of the cover which is flat 360*. Moving the actuator after the cover has been clocked would be as simple as drilling two new holes, tapping them, and plugging the old ones.

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True, but there is still one "tower" for the 14B/16G to use to secure the WGA down. Perhaps an additional one will need to be made. (Trying with all my might to avoid the dreaded J-pipe. )

TimG said:

A 60mm compressor wheel with a 7cm2 exhaust housing is just asking for compressor surge.

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I agree that this could highly possible. The td06sl2 turbine wheel doesn't flow as well as the td06h turbine wheel and the 25g/t/etc wheels typically come with td07h wheels. If the wheel were a td06h wheel, I can see the possibility of this not surging, being that the fpred was a 60-1 compressor wheel with a td06h turbine wheel and 7 or 8cm^2 housing.

DSMunknown said:

(Trying with all my might to avoid the dreaded J-pipe. )

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J-pipe's aren't that bad. I have an RRE j-pipe I'm using on the 18G for my FWD that's freakin' HUGE.

About the outlet on the turbo in the first link. Look at the stock Evo 1-3 turbo, the outlet faces upward regardless of whether or not the ic pipe goes up or down the actual turbo flows up. All they did was make the outlet bigger and get rid of the 2 bolts, You could either turn the compressor housing or make a j pipe for it. Once again thanks for all the input, still hoping someone will buy one and test it out. But the chances of that happening are slim to none.

for that kind of money I would recommend investing in turbos that are proven from PTE or BEP. Quality is key and for $900, I wouldn't gamble on something unproven.

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Actually, based on the Evo III engine bays I've seen, JMiller's correct. What would be the lower intercooler pipe on our cars is actually in an "upper" position on the Evo III:

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Definitely not a stock Evo I-III engine bay. Battery is relocated for a start, intake manifold looks aftermarket and no idea what that hose is doing coming over the exhaust manifold heat shield.

Can post up an authentic Evo I-III engine bay if needed. Not completely stock, but could be good enough to give you an idea.

That's a 1g intake manifold and GVR4 stock upper intercooler pipe. That is probably a GVR4 engine bay.