Doomsday 2012...

Evil_speedracer · Dec 27, 2008

I personally think that bringing up Y2K is irrelevant. That was not the end of the world sure, but I don't remember that being presented as that. It seems to me that it would be a hell of a lot more difficult to deal with (computers, commerce and other computer controlled necessities going down), but where is the scary end result? Unless the computers were going to get up and start killing us all, then that would be a mute point.

On the other hand, if it turns out that any of the fear mongering that has surrounded 2012 is true....then there will be a lot of people scratching their heads. I have done a crapload of research about this very subject to the point where my head feels like it might split open. This subject goes many different directions, some make sense while others are way out there.

In any event, its just stupid to denounce any of the theories about 2012. The fact of the matter is - none of us have any evidence towards or away from any of these ideas. If the crap does hit the fan, then so be it. There is nothing that we can do to stop any of this, so whats the point in arguing?

axloverstreet · Dec 27, 2008

yea idk, im only 16 so i really have nothing to loose cause all ive acomplished in my life is to get a first car with a turbo.. LOL

... but on the other hand i want to live a full live, my dream is to drag race, so ...idk i think our life plan is choosen for us and i cant chang nething thats gonna so happen...so who cares....i gotta die somtime LOL

VETTE_50_TH · Dec 27, 2008

xioca said:
The funniest thing I've read all day.. so true.

And I am a smartass, i think the the rolling eye smiley made it over the top, but that is not my doing.

I will have to disagree with you though on that entire point. People will not up and die from a pole change, life in that sense will go on and humans will still function. The problem comes from global climate change on a grand scale, and much more worse would be the vulnerability during the switch to solar radiation.

I can't really disagree because we really dont know what will happen. It hasn't happen for over 750 THOUSAND years. So who the hell knows. But, i sure as hell dont wanna be around when it does.

James :laser:

xioca · Dec 27, 2008

Alright then I'll pass you the peace pipe and we can both agree that we will probably die in a horrific manner when it happens. (we just don't know how tho)

VETTE_50_TH · Dec 27, 2008

Evil_speedracer said:
I personally think that bringing up Y2K is irrelevant. That was not the end of the world sure, but I don't remember that being presented as that. It seems to me that it would be a hell of a lot more difficult to deal with (computers, commerce and other computer controlled necessities going down), but where is the scary end result? Unless the computers were going to get up and start killing us all, then that would be a mute point.

On the other hand, if it turns out that any of the fear mongering that has surrounded 2012 is true....then there will be a lot of people scratching their heads. I have done a crapload of research about this very subject to the point where my head feels like it might split open. This subject goes many different directions, some make sense while others are way out there.

In any event, its just stupid to denounce any of the theories about 2012. The fact of the matter is - none of us have any evidence towards or away from any of these ideas. If the crap does hit the fan, then so be it. There is nothing that we can do to stop any of this, so whats the point in arguing?

QFT. I want to know, is who starts this shit? This, fearmongering? And does this only occur in America or around the world? I think there needs to be some peer accountability in these situations. Find out who starts these ideas, wait until that day happens, who ever is wrong, dies. More than likely its the same people who have been spoon feeding us hate for hundreds of years. I think the world would be a better place without these idiots.

James :laser:

VETTE_50_TH · Dec 27, 2008

xioca said:
Alright then I'll pass you the peace pipe and we can both agree that we will probably die in a horrific manner when it happens. (we just don't know how tho)

Sounds fair smartass. :thumb:

James

tsirider13 · Dec 27, 2008

Blitzeclips said:
You know, alot of people here will try to chew me up for this, but I know much much more on this subject then ALOT of members on here, so please feel free to challenge my knowledge on this subject. Don't be ignorant and just post up, "oh I'm so sick of this bullshit" because the fact of the matter is that you don't know dick about it so you're closed off mind doesn't want to even try and understand WHY this date is significant. Read and research on it and maybe you will see. I have studied the Mayans and Aztecs for many years through my current university. I have read countless books on this, and if anyone would like citings I can provide them...

The year 2012 will in fact bring substantial changes in both our galaxy and out solar system. The date of 2012 is very significant for many reasons. All of our planets will be lined up perfectly straught, for the first time in 13,000 years. This occurs every 13,000 years factually, and the reason this has gained ppopularity as a bad 'end of days' scenario is due to the mayan belief that there are truly 13 constellations, not 12. That the 13th constellation is unknown because it is hidden, poised as evil since it's prescence is not made in the nighttime skies. This is also attributed to the belief that 13 is an unlucky number, harnessing both evil and bad luck inherently. Furthermore, since intelligent mankind has not been around long enough to record what happened 13,000 years ago when this same scenario occured, we are very unsure as to what can actually happen. There is evidence pointing to an ice age occured at that time, and the possiblity of our polor caps switching roles. North pole pull becomes south pole and vise versa. This can actually happen and has actually happened many times throughout the earths existance. If this were to happen with humans present on the earth we would surely be in some serious adaption shit.

Now, let's think about how our universe changing will effect us. Well, we all know what a full moon does to a crowd of people or even yourself. The tides and seasons control our crop growth and hunting cycles.

The Mayans also played a game where 2 teams would be asembled on a field and a ball would be passed around without hands touching between the two teams, there would be a ring where this ball was meant to be thrown into, the first team getting the ball to fall through the ring, DIES. That's right they were killed. This is because they were the most superior players on the field that day, and that they were worthy for sacrificial purposes to the gods. Coincidentally there were also 13 players on each team.

What does this game mean to the end of the world? Well, the game was designed solely around this belief of our end days in 2012. The ring symbolized the galaxy, and the ball symbolized time/earth as it passed through the center to it's final destination(analogy of earth going through center of galaxy)After the ball went through this ring, as in the game, it was game over for the winning team, they were all killed as this game was made to symbolize these end days and time.

Before you bash the Mayans and Aztecs as stone age folk, please realize they're inpeccable observations of the stars, and that they're maps are still used as refernce today by many astronomers. They're calculation of the winter and summer solstices have been exactly dead on even today, 10's of thousands of year later- they're calculations are still EXACT. And they didn't even have any observation tools nearly as advanced as the ones we use today. Also, they're track of time has been nearly perfect for 10's of thousnads of years also, being only .00000021 of a second off from the new year's date (Jan. 1st).

Now, the media and science propoganda does influence and encourage the "world's end" scenario with 2012 pretty extremely. But it is not entirely what is told by mayan and Aztec records. Though most text may imply end of days, it can also be interpreted as an 'end of days' in another way. It could mean 'end of bad days', or 'end of peace days',you get the point. It could imply that a revolution or new world order will be made or occur, that on 2012 the turning point of society will be made. That the way of things today will be changed ushering in a new era of thought, ways of life, beliefs, etc. If you were an extremist I'd vouch to say something similar to The Rapture found in the Bible.

Call me an optimist, but personally, I think 2012 will be the year our globe goes from indivdual thought and sovereignty to complete thought and sovereignty as a whole. Rather then having global nations at war with their beliefs and cultures, we will begin to unite as one global entity. In example, think of it as many national banks merging into one global bank, or making each of these many banks as global banks. I think and hope our world will become together. If our planet acted and worked as a whole, rather then all seperate democracies and governments; our resources and way out life would be chnaged for the better. War would be forced out of our culture, because war is a culture, well, per se. We wouldn't have anyone to war with, as our all enemies would be allies as our globe supports itselt as a whole.

Theres tons and tons of more reasons why the mayans and axtecs feel this way, but they get pretty complicated and I have things to do today. Later guys!

WOW, I am impress.
You did study my people very well, I am half Mayan and half Aztec.
One part of my ancestors were wariors(aztecs) while the other part (Mayas) were astronomers and mathematicians.
Mayas invented the number cero and their astronomy is still far superior to any of the modern era that they predict our galaxy for thousands of years into the future.
While they didnt land on the moon, Their calendar was so exact that they already new when the comet halley was going to come back, without even a pirate telescope.

And for whoever said conquistadores killed the mayans go grab a book.
Dont make ignorant coments.

And yes in the year 2012 the our galaxy WILL align, If you have a litte of smart in you...what do you think its going to happen when the poles atart shifting?

MAYAS FTMFW.

BTW, thanks Blitzeclips for backing up the mayans, since I am the only one in thhis board. LOL

GofaST4life · Dec 28, 2008

The bight before 2012 hits, someone should remember to revive this thread.

Jeremoose · Dec 28, 2008

GsXdSmKingGsX said:
does anybody else find this post creepy? i'm pretty sure this is a prime example of looking to far into sensless things

Our universe is aligning in a way that has never been recorded before which has the potential to have an adverse affect on life as we know it... This is a 'senseless thing' to look into?

Jeff99GS · Dec 28, 2008

I heard after 2012 the toilet bowl water will turn counter clockwise OMG

And we all have to put our Negative battery cable on the positive side and the positive on the negative OMG

Whats next?!?!?! Will I Shit through my mouth??? Oh Wait.......I already do that. LOL

I guess I have to eat with my asshole now.

ryguy86eklipse · Dec 28, 2008

Well, there's definitely a lot of controversial things that can be said related to this thread, however... I think there are a few good points. For anyone interested in learning more, or those who live to explore conspiracy theories, there's a series of book.. 3 so far that I'm sure of, which are written by Patrick Geryl. The books themselves do have a bit of substance behind them for those who like to see written out details, mathematical equations based on astrology and science, etc.

I myself really think the books are interesting, and all in all, here's what I can shorten up for you... if what they say is accurate on what would happen, (I'm referring to the polar reversal.), then we're all pretty much hopeless. Short and sweet, the change in the polarity will have an adverse affect on the atmosphere making it much weaker and less able to block x-ray's and gamma rays which will begin to heat up the earth to extreme temperatures very rapidly... (at least extreme for human living conditions). The tides being affected by the poles reversal, and the moon, could cause for massive tidal waves over 1/2 mile high, and constantly incoming on what's currently the coastal lines. A change to the earth's "north" and "south" poles is not something one can calculate, at least with our current knowledge. Based on what we know, any given two ends of the earth opposite to the other stand a chance to become the next north and south poles. Such a change, which is speculated to happen over a few day's span is so dramatic on the earth, aside from the unknown effects of the universe being aligned, will cause massive earth quakes due to changes in the tectonic plates and molten core of Earth.

Basically.. the safest place if one was to try and endure and live through such changes would be a high mountainous range. Due to not knowing the location of the next "North" and "South" pole, there's no way to even accurately guess which place would be the safest. Trying to be on a boat in the ocean at sea level would make you prone to fatal gamma rays that would burn you alive, but being on a mountain in a cave avoiding the sun and whatever else may lie ahead, could be just as fatal with an earthquake.

I'll end this essay of a post with this. Those who have nothing to say but meaningless comments, why waste the little bit of an effort on the post? It's probable the same ethic you demonstrate on things that are threatening to your life not only spans from the near impossible, such as this, but to the somewhat likely... like you being in a car accident. The best thing you can do is prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If this is at all true I don't think there's really a bright side to it, but I believe we shouldn't live in fear either way.

Also, while I think this a royal kick in the groin to us as a species, it's some good food for thought. The level of knowledge in math, chemistry, and even concepts of computers, was precedent in historic times during the Mayan's, Greek's, and Egyptian's rule. We've come to surpass thousands of year old civilizations in technology in just the early part of the 1st millenia A.D. The library of Alexandria which most likely accounted for the massive loss of knowledge from our ancient ancestors was destroyed no later than 100 A.D. When combined with the slaughtering of civilizations through out history, we've been set back at least a thousand years in some aspects. Also, let us not forget that history tends to repeat itself.

G'nite all -

Ryan

silverbullett · Dec 28, 2008

^^^^Well said.^^^^

GsXdSmKingGsX said:
does anybody else find this post creepy? i'm pretty sure this is a prime example of looking to far into sensless things

Jeremoose said:
Our universe is aligning in a way that has never been recorded before which has the potential to have an adverse affect on life as we know it... This is a 'senseless thing' to look into?

Thank you.

rossb · Dec 28, 2008

Evil_speedracer said:
I personally think that bringing up Y2K is irrelevant. That was not the end of the world sure, but I don't remember that being presented as that. It seems to me that it would be a hell of a lot more difficult to deal with (computers, commerce and other computer controlled necessities going down), but where is the scary end result? Unless the computers were going to get up and start killing us all, then that would be a mute point.

I guess you missed out on the whole "the government's computers will go crazy and launch nukes at random" stuff. Or how people though our entire infrastructure would fail and started hording supplies and what not.

SpawnedX · Dec 28, 2008

1. Through many research studies done, it has been proven that nights with a full moon are no different than others. Crime rates stay the same, birth rates stay the same, etc. The only consequence a full moon has is that people are creatures of habit and if they believe that the full moon makes people crazy, they are just likely to blame something crazy they see that night, as opposed to the night before, on the full moon. Hence the mob mentality complex.

2. The Mayans were used way back in the year 999 as proof positive that the turn of the millenium was the end of the world. People cowered in the churches all night...nothing happened. Same in 1999. Same in 10's of other supposed doomsday days. If I got enough charismatic, and slightly retarded individuals to follow me and told them all the world was going to end in 4 weeks and 3 days and 9 hours and 54 minutes, they would buy it and go out and make more people buy it. Multiply that effect by thousands upon thousands of years and you have widespread retardedness such as this.

The short and narrow is this, if I am wrong, I won't know it, I will be dead. I'll let God decide when "the Rapture" takes place. For now I am going to go enjoy a family style chicken dinner at Wright's Farm, scratch myself, watch the football game, and maybe curse at my DSM for a few hours. I suggest you do the same. Cause the end is near....or something...etc.

MrBoxx · Dec 28, 2008

I fail to see how an alignment of our solar system on the galactic plane will have any consequence on us. Considering how far away we are from the center, how far away we are from any other stars (4+ light years), and the time it takes for us to travel around the galaxy, I would have to say that we're already pretty damn close to the galactic plane, and nothing's really happening. What EXACTLY is going to make a difference when we cross it? Nothing.

Aligning of the planets causes gravitational effects on Earth? Doubt it. There have been partial alignments before and the only result were some really pretty pictures taken by astronomers of three dots of light in a row. A: The planets are still on different planes and never really line up perfectly. B: The gravitational effect of, say, Pluto, on the Earth is absolutely nothing. Same for Mercury. They're just too far away and too small to do anything. Jupiter and maybe Saturn are the only ones big enough to really put a dent in our Solar System's gravity well, and they're more than 700 million and a billion miles from us respectively. I'm almost positive that some astronomer has, by now, done some calculations showing the effect of all the planets' combined gravitational fields if they were to somehow line up perfectly. And I'm sure that if the effect were to have some sort of negative influence, that astronomer might kind of, ya know.. tell everyone else. So far, I haven't heard anything. Must be an okay thing to do.

Magnetic pole shift? Read. Says there that "At first it seemed that reversals happen every one million years, but during the 1960s it became apparent that the time between reversals is erratic." So the Mayans, having no equipment to detect the magnetic field, would have no clue when the last reversal was, and they would have no clue when the next one is. Also: "Some speculate that a greatly diminished magnetic field during a reversal period will expose the surface of the earth to a substantial and potentially damaging increase in cosmic radiation. However, #### erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals. There is no uncontested evidence that a magnetic field reversal has ever caused any biological extinctions." Also: "At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 AD." That's not 2012 at all. That's at the very least 988 years after 2012.

Maybe in the year 3000 we'll be fearing the end of the world. But I doubt it.

GofaST4life · Dec 28, 2008

^ another valid point.

Evil_speedracer · Dec 28, 2008

rossb said:
I guess you missed out on the whole "the government's computers will go crazy and launch nukes at random" stuff. Or how people though our entire infrastructure would fail and started hording supplies and what not.

Well...I read real far into the whole nukes being set off deal in 1999 when it was about to happen - turns out that they determined that the computers can do what they want, as the nukes in question are said to need a human also to launch them off. As far as the infrastructure, I did mention that. I feel that specifically that part of the system hardly would mean the end of the world. Sure, lots of people would die...but this does not dictate to me that the world would be over.

As far as the fear mongering crapola, that may never stop. There are too many people spreading the crap with no one there to stop/govern them. It doesn't help that there are no credible news sources really looking into this - or maybe they are being shushed.

That touches on free masons, etc and would be a whole different huge thread to talk about...

xioca · Dec 28, 2008

Hell going back to the dark ages would be considered the end of the world to me. People would survive a nuclear holocaust.. I still think that would constitute the end of the world as we know it.

rossb · Dec 28, 2008

MrBoxx said:
However, #### erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals.

Gotta love the word filter!

Defiant · Dec 28, 2008

Dammit! The Bad Word Filter keeps us from seeing the Actual Answer! We could have saved humanity!

Wait, no we couldn't. There's not enough room for it. Just have to throw it out.

Bugger all.

94Jettameowpsst · Dec 28, 2008

xioca said:
I am interested. Diablo 2 stole so many days of my youth. It was an addiction and yet I want D3 even tho I know they will find a way to mess it up.

Idk if you're ready for this hahaha
d2jsp Forums -> ~ Within Lies The True Secret Of Diablo ~

GSXSixteenG · Dec 28, 2008

According to what I've read, the world could end in multiple amount of ways. Not just the shift of the polls and catastrophic storms/weather, but possible nuclear warfare between countries.

When the last polar shift took place Alaska was supposely at the equator something like 800 years ago(History Channel), but I think that only caused an ice age. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is just what I have been picking up.

silverbullett · Dec 28, 2008

They've made a movie. Not sure when it's being released though.
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Evil_speedracer · Dec 28, 2008

Thats pretty scary looking... Too bad the people looking up 2012 on google most likely will see all the garbage first!

Blitzeclips · Dec 28, 2008

tsirider13 said:
WOW, I am impress.
You did study my people very well, I am half Mayan and half Aztec.
One part of my ancestors were wariors(aztecs) while the other part (Mayas) were astronomers and mathematicians.
Mayas invented the number cero and their astronomy is still far superior to any of the modern era that they predict our galaxy for thousands of years into the future.
While they didnt land on the moon, Their calendar was so exact that they already new when the comet halley was going to come back, without even a pirate telescope.

And for whoever said conquistadores killed the mayans go grab a book.
Dont make ignorant coments.

And yes in the year 2012 the our galaxy WILL align, If you have a litte of smart in you...what do you think its going to happen when the poles atart shifting?

MAYAS FTMFW.

BTW, thanks Blitzeclips for backing up the mayans, since I am the only one in thhis board.

No problem man. I actually went to Mexico for a 3 week study at the Playa de Mia site. We walked and studied alot of sites off the coast of Mexico, particularly the inner edge closest to the Yucatan. You know what would really trip them out, the birthmark you and most if not all your family(mayans) have on your back. I'm sure they would not believe that one. I was truly in awe when all the locals could back that up and actually showed me.

There will always be someone with less knowledge on the subject then you whom feels they are compelled to crucify anything misinterpreted. So I tried my best with that, unfortunately some people on the site feel differently based on their own res.., oh wait, the didn't do any research, but in fact they know more then someone who has done research? It's actually humorous to me, because I fail to see any intelligent contribution regarding or backing their 'nay sayings'.. Atleast tell me why you think what you think.

Mr. Boxx I did not say that the Mayans were entirely correct on how they measured the poles or their theories are correct I was merely contributing. I will only say this to your first paragraph.

This is your reasoning as to why 'I(Boxx) fail to see how an alignment of our solar system on the galactic plane will have any consequence on us.' ..
'Considering how far away we are from the center, how far away we are from any other stars (4+ light years), '...Yeah, bit I don't think the stars are going to somehow come flying at our earth and destroy the planet. I dont see how close we are to the center now is related to how close we are in the future. You just said we are far away from the center, yet in 2012 we will be in the center. 'and the time it takes for us to travel around the galaxy,'... Again, I fail to see where this is relevant. Why would it matter how long it takes us to travel around the galaxy? ' I would have to say that we're already pretty damn close to the galactic plane, and nothing's really happening. '... Again, what are you expecting to happen? Those stars going to come flying into our planets ? You realize the earth is changing every day? You don't think these changes can add up to an event, or any event on 12/21/12? 'What EXACTLY is going to make a difference when we cross it? Nothing. ' Well, if only that was written on stone somewhere at the time it DID happen in our past. Until then, I'll take the word of a people who are less then half a second off thus far for the new year's date, 10,000's of years later.

You realize we don't get any closer to the sun everyday, yet solar flares cause major blackouts once every decade or so. So distance, position, and the placement of stars isn't relevant there. It still happened. Solar flares can be very VERY real when the pull of planets is effecting our sun. Especially when all the planets will be positioned in a way never seen in over 13,000 years. And thats only one variable to indicate danger to our planet during this alignment, I'm sure there are a few others also.

All the mayans, aztecs, and myself are saying is that it is a VERY significant event in terms of astrology and astronomy is concerned. Our solar system works together and our planet functions based on what our galaxy and solar systems permit. If anything unknown or unexpected happens, which some science has indeed shown can happen, then it very well may happen. Thats where all the 'end of days' hype comes from.

I don't think the world will mass destruct or that the planet will be bombed with comets on 2012, I just feel it will be ushering a new way of thought or era for humankind. Kind of attributive to the saying, ' His/her stars were aligned tonight'... It implies a spiritual connection and correlation for everything in this universe to work together, forbetter and for worse. Again, I'm not saying this is fact and true, I'm just offering insight based on what I've learned(beliefs, theories, myths, etc) on the subject.

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