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eBay knockoff GT35R testing.

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yeah thats why im instrested myself. hey just did you see my other post i was wondering if the car was going to be on the street as well as track and how much boost for pump gas thanks! o yeah where did he get the exhaust manifold from and how much was it?
This will be a street and track car, and I'm sure the boost level will remain the same....he'll just go a little more aggressive on the tune once he dumps in the race fuel and heads to the track.

I'm not sure of the manufacturer of the exhaust manifold- it looks about like the Turbonetics cast T3 manifold and runs about $200ish.

4 of them and the equivalent to a month of downtime.

Time, I have....money, I do not. :shhh:
 
Man I really want to see how this turbo pans out. I really want to go bigger than my G50 next year.
 
The main thing (to me anyway) is if it fails, WHY it failed. If it's simply because the builder is too lazy to balance it, then have you're ebay turbo balanced before you use it. It still will be far more affordable. If it fails due to some metallurgy issue, then can that part be replaced for fairly cheap (like a compressor wheel that wants to split)? If it fairly affordable to MAKE it last (like half price), then it could still be worth it, IMHO. It would be like buying the ebay turbo as a "core". As has been alluded, a BB chra is not cheap.
 
4 of them and the equivalent to a month of downtime.

thats why you buy 2 and your still under the price of one, and have one to swap, maybe even resell it and make a buck if the one on the cars doing alright. I always like having an option so downtime is limited (2 transfer cases, another trans, driveshaft,head,etc.) I would like to see if other housings will fit the compressor and turbine wheels. Anti surge housing/ big t4 turbine housing.
 
The main thing (to me anyway) is if it fails, WHY it failed. If it's simply because the builder is too lazy to balance it, then have you're ebay turbo balanced before you use it. It still will be far more affordable. If it fails due to some metallurgy issue, then can that part be replaced for fairly cheap (like a compressor wheel that wants to split)? If it fairly affordable to MAKE it last (like half price), then it could still be worth it, IMHO. It would be like buying the ebay turbo as a "core". As has been alluded, a BB chra is not cheap.
Absolutely true.

That's how I got turned on to rebuilding the Chinese 16G's using Garrett bronze journal bearings. I saw that almost every China 16G that passed through my shop had excessive up / down caused by worn journal bearings, which then causes the turbine shaft seal to leak profusely.

The bearings that I removed were much yellower (softer) than the Garrett bronze bearings that I install. I've rebuilt about 7 of the China 16G's and only one guy has complained that it didn't hold up. The turbo in question lasted 100 miles or so, where most turbos that blow will do so almost immediately. I never did get it back into my hands to see whether it was something I did or it died from an oiling issue.

There is evidence that this GT35R has been balanced, so I'm going to assume that it's ready to bolt on and boost. If it dies in a short period of time and we decide to try another one, then we may have the CHRA balanced before installation to ensure that balance wasn't the reason for failure.
 
Absolutely true.

That's how I got turned on to rebuilding the Chinese 16G's using Garrett bronze journal bearings. I saw that almost every China 16G that passed through my shop had excessive up / down caused by worn journal bearings, which then causes the turbine shaft seal to leak profusely.

The bearings that I removed were much yellower (softer) than the Garrett bronze bearings that I install. I've rebuilt about 7 of the China 16G's and only one guy has complained that it didn't hold up. The turbo in question lasted 100 miles or so, where most turbos that blow will do so almost immediately. I never did get it back into my hands to see whether it was something I did or it died from an oiling issue.

There is evidence that this GT35R has been balanced, so I'm going to assume that it's ready to bolt on and boost. If it dies in a short period of time and we decide to try another one, then we may have the CHRA balanced before installation to ensure that balance wasn't the reason for failure.


So if my ebay 20g craps on me can you rebuild it?
 
So if my ebay 20g craps on me can you rebuild it?
As long as it's not destroyed to the point where the compressor or turbine wheels are ruined....at that point, use it as a doorstop and buy another one.


Any news???

I about to order one:thumb:
He picked the manifold up at my shop last night- the turbo will be installed by the weekend for sure.

Since the whole ordeal with the manifold took so long, he's skeptical to install the 9.0:1 pistons and rods and drive the car to the Shootout a week later, so I believe he's holding off on the engine rebuild now until the winter.

What that means is that we'll actually see what this turbo can do on a stock 1G low end (128k on it) with a new head gasket with ARP studs running 25-28psi on race gas and PTE 880's. We can use this info as a basepoint for the whole experience....from here it will only mean more power made and more strain on the knockoff 35R!
 
Sorry guys. I know we all like to save some money, but I have a real problem with any knockoff from any country, and it goes like this:

Reputable manufacturer invents, R&D's, and brings to market widget A. Standard markup for industry is applied and company repays development costs, and begins to make profit. This profit is in turn used for further development of widget A, and new widget B. Meanwhile, widget A cost will come down due to refinement.

And the cycle continues..

Now, the design of widget A is blatantly stolen, and sold en masse. Legitimate company will now have no money to invent widget C. Now what are the rip off guys going to steal?

If an industry (that develops new products) can not survive due to forgeries, who's going to come up with new widgets? Sure, the forgery company thats over sea's may start, but then your local (and country) economy is gone.

Its a bad cycle, and not one I want to perpetuate.

Not to mention, you are supporting someone elses economy! Spend XX extra bucks, support your local and country economy. You live there! If you dont, and it becomes a trend, what do you think your economy will be long term??

I know this is real basic stuff, but it should be brought up and thought about.
 
More on the post above...

Now, the standard argument (or at least what it boils down to) is I dont make enough money for an original part....

You have 2 options (at least if you care about your economy)
1. Go out and make more money
2. Dont buy the part.

There. My 2 cents is over.
 
Can't say I don't agree, but I've brought up the same point in other knockoff turbo posts in the past and was b!tched at by members and moderators alike for going off-topic.

With that in mind, I'd like to keep this thread going purely with stats and testing of this turbo.

If you'd like to start a thread discussing the Chinese economy overtaking ours, by all means do so. I believe the proper forum is "The Hangout."
 
I agree with Joe for the most part.

But It comes down to.

My vote wont change a damm thing in the president elections.

True if 50 million people think that it wont.
But me as myself or me and my 10 friends. Well it wont do a damm thing.


So if 10 people buy knock offs.
I dont think FP will notice that they didnt make 80% off of their 10 1500 dollar turbos.
 
God damn where do these we hate ebay guys come from, why don't you go to China and cry to them about the cheap turbos. I want to see result on this turbo so please keep that shit out of here.

ONLY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TURBO FROM HERE ON PLEASE.

P.S has it occurred to you that the Chinese are not stupid and that company's specifically order that bullshit. If they didn't want the product to perform like shit they wouldn't buy it.
 
To further waste server space, I agree with the above. And to add, FP buys their evo3 16g turbine housings from a chinese supplier OMG . Let's keep this to the facts and results. If you want to get into a political, social, and moral debate go watch Charlie Rose, then take your nap because you're bored. And you'll wake up right as rain. Works on my children every time.
 
Everything is made in china or overseas. The clothes you're wearing, the computer you're using, over half the car you drive, etc etc etc. It has nothing to do with WHERE it's made, rather HOW it's made. It's a quality control thing and nothing else. The whole idea of just because something is on ebay and cheap means it's bad is a stereotype and not a fact. You don't go into your local dollar store and expect the stuff in there to be awesome, but some stuff really is, which is why all of us go there multiple times. It's the same thing with these ebay parts. To some of us, trying different things is the entire fun of modding a car, and going the cheap route makes it even more interesting. Any idiot can buy baller stuff with a credit card from a vendor and go fast, but what's the fun in that?

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Everything is made in china or overseas. The clothes you're wearing, the computer you're using, over half the car you drive, etc etc etc. It has nothing to do with WHERE it's made, rather HOW it's made. It's a quality control thing and nothing else. The whole idea of just because something is on ebay and cheap means it's bad is a stereotype and not a fact. You don't go into your local dollar store and expect the stuff in there to be awesome, but some stuff really is, which is why all of us go there multiple times. It's the same thing with these ebay parts. To some of us, trying different things is the entire fun of modding a car, and going the cheap route makes it even more interesting. Any idiot can buy baller stuff with a credit card from a vendor and go fast, but what's the fun in that?

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AMEN :thumb:

I wanna see some results on this gt35. I always wanted to see some numbers from that gt45 they sell on there. I know my buddy ran the "super t70" on his supra and had no issues. My other friend is running a ebay 50 trim. I told him to clean out the center section before he used it because the wheel felt like it was binding. Like straight 140wt gear oil came out, after that it spun like it should. No issues yet
 
First glitch we've encountered.....the cast T3 manifold (4G63 Eclipse, Evo, Cast Turbo Manifold - TREADSTONE PERFORMANCE) doesn't allow the turbo to mount up properly; the turbine housing hits the block where the balance shaft tube is.

If the turbo flange were at a slightly steeper angle, this setup would appear to work fine. For those who suggest a spacer, this will not work because if the compressor housing were any lower it would hit the crossmember.

I have a SFP tubular manifold at my shop that will hopefully remedy this....but to all interested, do NOT expect the cast Turbonetics-style manifold to work with this turbo!
 
First glitch we've encountered.....the cast T3 manifold (4G63 Eclipse, Evo, Cast Turbo Manifold - TREADSTONE PERFORMANCE) doesn't allow the turbo to mount up properly; the turbine housing hits the block where the balance shaft tube is.

If the turbo flange were at a slightly steeper angle, this setup would appear to work fine. For those who suggest a spacer, this will not work because if the compressor housing were any lower it would hit the crossmember.

I have a SFP tubular manifold at my shop that will hopefully remedy this....but to all interested, do NOT expect the cast Turbonetics-style manifold to work with this turbo!

have the flange machined at an angle... that will give you some clearance.
 
have the flange machined at an angle... that will give you some clearance.

The bolt / stud holes would then have to be welded shut and redrilled, I'm not sure he's looking to get something like that done at this time. It would be costly enough to put him over the edge. I can't stress "low budget" enough on this project.
 
The bolt / stud holes would then have to be welded shut and redrilled, I'm not sure he's looking to get something like that done at this time. It would be costly enough to put him over the edge. I can't stress "low budget" enough on this project.

Nah, just enlarge em a lil...Unless it would need to mille to like a 45* angle! Use a beltsander to get the angle...hahaha!
 
I've encountered the same problem with the turbine housing hitting the block with a GT35R on a Turbonetics T3 manifold. We got another T3 flange(1/2" thick) by itself, milled it at an angle, drilled out the threads, and used it as a spacer so it swung the turbo away from the block. Since it was machined at an angle it didn't really lower the turbo too much; we were still able to keep it downfiring and even send it towards the passenger side of the car over the front motor mount without much issue.

This was on a 2g.
 
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