Also. does anyone know the numbers on the side of the evo8 cam GEARS?

i got this set and would like to know if they are true evo's... the cams ARE hollow..if that helps and if they are the only hollow camshaft's

I know there is a slight difference in stock DSM cams, but I have the opertunity to put evo 8 cams in my car. Does anyone think this would improve my top end at all or change my power band?

Will they even work? That's what you should be asking.

Personally I'd just save up for some 264/272 or something.

I quote the t.v. show Becker - "Free is free."

I wouldnt try it, one of the cams is designed to work with variable timing. You might not be able to bolt one of those cams into your car, but the other would probably fit.

Being that Evo 8 owners bolt in 264/272's into their cars when looking for higher top end performance; I dont think the stock duration/lift in the Evo cams are much different from yours.

The engine is mirrored dude... you should have asked me first.
Since the engine is mirrored, they will not work. They're right though. Might as well get some BC cams, they're effin CHEAP.

1gcrazy said:

The engine is mirrored dude... you should have asked me first.
Since the engine is mirrored, they will not work. They're right though. Might as well get some BC cams, they're effin CHEAP.

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Have you tried it? The cams don't know that they are mirroed. It may work, no one has yet to try it. Try it and the right up a tech article if they do. Simple as that.

1Gcrazy, I got my evo bov for free from a friend, no 2g mas for you. I took a pic incase you thought i was lieing, let me know if you need proof

laserspeeddemon said:

Have you tried it? The cams don't know that they are mirroed. It may work, no one has yet to try it. Try it and the right up a tech article if they do. Simple as that.

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http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130425&highlight=evo+cams
The CAS is on the wrong side.

Its ok man, send me your 2g maf anyway. You'll feel better about yourself.

1gcrazy said:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130425&highlight=evo+cams
The CAS is on the wrong side.

Its ok man, send me your 2g maf anyway. You'll feel better about yourself.

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It's on the exhaust cam on an evo isn't it..

You know you can use an EVO MAF too.

While I see alot of arguing whether or not they would work, I have seen NONE that actually say they tried it or even some sort of bench test. Now, I'm not saying they will work, but I'm not writing it off either.

I have a spare head if anyone knows where I can get some free EVO8 cams, I will put them on the car and do some tests.

Awdboost said:

It's on the exhaust cam on an evo isn't it..

You know you can use an EVO MAF too.

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Yep, they concluded that there was enough room to grind a notch on the other cam but after that much machine work and time you might as well just buy new BC cams. So TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE NOT A BOLT ON!

You know an evo maf... you wont have to use the different intake pipe like on the 2g's ;-) So they're more of a bolt on than the 2g's and they flow just a little bit more too.

laserspeeddemon said:

While I see alot of arguing whether or not they would work, I have seen NONE that actually say they tried it or even some sort of bench test. Now, I'm not saying they will work, but I'm not writing it off either.

I have a spare head if anyone knows where I can get some free EVO8 cams, I will put them on the car and do some tests.

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A guys actually says that he tried them and they work but like I said.... with machine work. Or Dremmel...

Anything can work with enough money. Cost effective is another story.

Yes they can work with some mods but not much of a difference. http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173571&highlight=evo+cams

FYI all. I got a set of EVO 8 cams. I am bench testing them right now for a local DSMer.

As mentioned before, the do drop in. They do fit. There is no other work to get them to go in.

Here is the issue.

1) Dowel pins for cam gears or clocked 90 degrees.
2) Intake cam is not machined to accept the CAS, BUT the exhaust came is.

Fix
1) Use stock cames mark 12th teeth to the right from TDC (cylinder 1) on the exhaust came and 12th teeth from the left on the intake came.
2) Have a machine shop machine the intake came to MATCH the grove in your existing (stock) intake cam. We will be taken it to a machine shop to get a price quote for machining it.

BTW. Special thanks to Martin Ruiz and VIP Garage for letting us have these cams for FREE!

I know how many threads have been made about this topic but I also know how many times it hasn't been answered. I made this thread to show people if the Evo VIII cams will work in a 1G DSM. I ordered the Evo cams from an Evo forum with 3500 miles on them for $35 shipped. Not a bad price considering the cams are somewhat an upgrade. When I opened the cams they looked really similar to the stock 1G cams. I took a couple pics to show how similar they look. I also took a pic of the ends of the cams where the CAS goes. On the 1G cam its on the intake cam and on the Evo VIII its on the exhaust. I was told that if you switch the intake and exhaust cams from the Evo they would work. This is the method I'm going to be using to see if they fit. The second pic is to show how the CAS slot lines up. The lobes on the cams are pretty close to perfectly lined up. I will post later with info and pics how they fit in the head. Thanks for reading thus far.

does the CAS line up the same? Cam gears? That is cool

Very cool.

Can you weigh them, by chance, while you're at it?
Can't wait to see how it turns out!

Thanks for reading guys. I wasn't sure if people would be interested in this still or not

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does the CAS line up the same? Cam gears? That is cool

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the CAS on the Evo is on the exhaust cam and on the 1G its on the intake. so i swapped them like i said was going to and took the above picture. that is with the 1G on the left and Evo on the right. the lobes are pretty damn close to perfectly aligned and thats the difference in the CAS slot.

as for the weight, im pretty sure that the Evo cams come in at 1.1 lbs lighter than the 1G's. but thats per cam and 2.2 lbs off your valve train might not seem like much but its actually quite a bit. if you would put in the springs, retainers, and valves from the Evo VIII, it would be even better. i do have all that to put in but thats in a different thread. Thanks again

My question was in when you have the EVO exhaust cam in the intake side of your DSM head (BTW the cams are the same for 1g and 2g physically) is the CAS slot lined up the same as stock with the cam gears zeroed out?

no the CAS slot is not in the same position. sorry about the confusion. ill be starting the measuring and fitting tomorrow morning so ill post some pics and let everybody know how i made out.

well today i got the cams on and measured. the hardest part was finding where the timing marks would be on the cam gear. but after alot of measuring and checking my work, i finally got it. the first pic is the cam gears with the timing marks in the factory spot. the second pic is where the timing marks are now. i just used a sharpie to mark them to make sure they are right in case i have to change them. the last pic is the Evo cams in place and in the timed position. notice where the dowl pins are rather than in the up position where they are stock. i want to be positive that the timing marks are correct before i go and start throwing out numbers so ill be putting the cams into my car tomorrow and post the results tomorrow night. thanks for the interest.

yea im pretty excited about the results as well. but i wont be able to tell too much how the cams helped because i put an Evo 3 16G on and my head gasket blew during the first pull. so i didnt get to feel how much the turbo helped to notice any difference with the cams.

i just wanted to throw out that the pic i took of the cam gears with the new timing marks, they are in the wrong position. the gears should switch places and then they are right. ill take a correct pic later today. im going now to make sure the timing marks are right with a test fit on my car.

sorry about the delay. yesterday was my birthday so i had to visit my parents. today i got the cams in and bolted down. they fit just as the stock cams did and rotate as freely as they did. the CAS (1G), fit into the Evo exhaust cam which was used as the intake cam. but i think now im goin to have to figure out the firing order which isnt going to be fun. take notice in the dowl pins and where they are. i used a sharpie to make straight up for the new dowl pin location. here are a few pics of the cams bolted in. i would have the timing belt on to make sure the timing marks are correct but my auto tensioner took a sh*t

when do you plan on having it up and running. looks good coming along nicely

as soon as i get an auto tensioner then i can put the timing belt on and fire it up.

well ive been reading quite a bit about the CAS slot at the end of the intake cam. i know that the slot from stock to the Evo cams is 90* off. most people say to have the end machined but if you would use your noodle, you could figure out that all you have to do is change the injector/ignition plate angle inside the CAS. the first pic is with the CAS and the plate at TDC and the second pic is how it should be with the Evo cams. just dont move the center shaft that the plate holds onto from TDC or it will be wrong. again, just keep the center shaft in the same position that it would be with the stock TDC. the plate needs to be machined or in my case, Dremeled. i just took the center plate and made the whole circle round. just make sure that you tighten the screw in the middle really good so its sure not to move.

yea man ill take some pics in like 5 minutes and post them. once you take the CAS apart you will understand what im talking about. here is a comparison of the cam specs. its not going to be a crazy go fast mod, im just doing it because im 17 and most people are older than me and work on cars and they say it cant be done. pretty much "just to say i did it" mod. although the cams should give a little more power, dont get me wrong but its not going to be like hks 272's. they are 2.2 lbs off your valve train though.

4G63 ( Eclipse/Talon Turbo Camshafts)
Adv. / Dur. Dur. @ .050 Lift (in) Lift (mm)
248°/248° 200°/200° .349"/.350" 8.86/8.89


4g63 ( Evolution VIII )
Adv. Dur. Dur @ .050 Lift (in) Lift (mm)
248°/248° 200°/200° .386"/.367" 9.80/9.32