Anyone know where I can purchase pedal replacements that make for an easier heel-toe time? It's pretty difficult with the stock setup...

Thanks!

I'm not sure you're trying to do it right. It's actually more a ball-of-foot-and-side-of-shoe maneuver.
But, you can either check eBay, or just build your own.

My idea was to fab a piece to extend the brake pedal more to the right. You may even possibly get away with just installing the AT brake pedal.

I know its rough, but I can seem to toe-heel brake without much effort. (It really does need a more modern name huh?)

You may also want to try and get some pedal "covers" like these I pictured below. I have seen many racers use them. I use these as well and I use "heel toe" a lot on different tracks. It brings the pedals a little closer together for me and it may help you out as well. They are only $38.00 from Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies. Hope this helps you out some. If you dont want to go with just "covers", you may look into a while different pedal setup as well. Just something else to think about

Everyone's feet are different but I found two things were necessary to get good heel-toe foot alignment: 1, pedal covers including an extension on the lower left corner of the gas pedal (like the one pictured below). 2, the brake pedal was a little too low. A quarter inch of plastic under the pedal cover made a big difference.

This has been one of my biggest complaints with the dsm, I have a size 13 foot and the height difference between the gas and brake pedals is just too much and requires too much room for me. In reading the Bob Bondurant book he suggests attaching something like a shaped block of wood to the gas pedal to even out the height, the important thing is to make it comfortable and have it very securely attached to the gas pedal as you wouldn't want it to get loose....EVER!!

I've been comtemplating how to approach this and any additional pics of people having done something like this would be a huge help. Maybe "Slow Old Poop" or some of the experienced racers have dealt with this before and could share some ideas??

Zero Bar - When you say "height" deifference, are you referring to the height of the gas pedal from the floor pan or the height of it being taller than the other pedals? I guess that is the same thing. Just trying to see where you are coming from on that one is all. My pedals are almost the same height all the way across. Bu it is not much that I can tell when driving. Plus, I only have a size 10 foot

tsiboosted said:

You may also want to try and get some pedal "covers" like these I pictured below. I have seen many racers use them. I use these as well and I use "heel toe" a lot on different tracks. It brings the pedals a little closer together for me and it may help you out as well. They are only $38.00 from Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies. Hope this helps you out some. If you dont want to go with just "covers", you may look into a while different pedal setup as well. Just something else to think about

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I have sparco pedal covers that I've been waiting to install. The bolts are the same as this pic shown, anyone know how to install these? I can't find a drill bit that will go through the pedal. Also I think I may take the pedal off so I can drill the holes in straight.

Couldn't you just adjust the pedal height for the brakes? The pedal doesn't travel much so lowering it shouldn't be a big deal, right?

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Zero Bar - When you say "height" deifference, are you referring to the height of the gas pedal from the floor pan or the height of it being taller than the other pedals? I guess that is the same thing. Just trying to see where you are coming from on that one is all. My pedals are almost the same height all the way across. Bu it is not much that I can tell when driving. Plus, I only have a size 10 foot

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I am referring to their height relative to each other, the clutch and brake pedal sit on about the same plane(distance from seat) as each other but the gas pedal sits a good 2-4in further away from the driver forcing me when I try to move my foot to heel/toe to curl my foot considerably to reach the gas pedal.

The S2000 I drove last year had pedals that all sat equidistant from the seat and made heel/toe a breeze though you rarely need it in autocross so I still have little practice at it.

You may be able to shimm the gas pedal assembly towards you more by adding some washer underneath it and use a tad longer bolts, give that a try?

This has also been my biggest complaint about the DSM...the vertical height difference between the gas and brake pedals...distance could be better too but my foot can make the sweep...it's the drop that my foot has to make which needs improvement. A Wilwood pedal set will solve this but may also introduce a whole new set of issues. I have a model/template of sorts from my street car (which is perfect for heel/toe) and plan to solve this once and for all on my DSM's this summer...I want to be able to roll my foot over on a deep brake pedal.

Not much help right now I know but it sounds like people are workin' on it.

I had this problem as well. The brake pedal needs to be higher than the gas when at rest and under heavy breaking, ideally you want them level...at least for me anyway. Adjusting the brake pedal height is pretty easy, just make sure you adjust the switch for the tail lights as well. As for the gap between the two pedals, I have a set of OMP pedals that do the trick nicely...here is a link.
OMP Top F1 Pedals at Sube Sports - The Racing Equipment Source
I took the factory covers off and drilled to mount. Here's the best pic I have of how close the pedals are to each other. Any closer and it would cause me too much trouble driving "normally"...if that's even possible anymore.

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Morpherex, that's a really good idea, I'll have to look into that. I already have a small plate screwed to the gas pedal to make it a bit wider so that helps, just nothing for the distance between it and the brake. Though like CIOC says you still want it a touch lower than the brake to account for the brake pedal travel while being used.

Morpherex said:

You may be able to shimm the gas pedal assembly towards you more by adding some washer underneath it and use a tad longer bolts, give that a try?

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2gs use a stud already welded to the firewall with nuts attaching the pedal. (Im not sure about the 1gs) So in turn using a small amount of washers would actually move the pedal quite a ways. It moves the upper point further from the cable and the pedal closer to your foot. It would basically just move the fulcrum. Well it makes a better picture in my head. I know Ill certainly look into that solution.

Personally, sometimes I slip off the brake pedal to the right, and thats a no go!

absolute_DSM said:

2gs use a stud already welded to the firewall with nuts attaching the pedal. (Im not sure about the 1gs) So in turn using a small amount of washers would actually move the pedal quite a ways. It moves the upper point further from the cable and the pedal closer to your foot. It would basically just move the fulcrum. Well it makes a better picture in my head. I know Ill certainly look into that solution.

Personally, sometimes I slip off the brake pedal to the right, and thats a no go!

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1g the pedal is attached to a bracket.. After you move it out obviously adjust the cable.

I noticed this problem, too. In my opinion, the biggest reason is we can't heel-toe without tons of effort is our stock seats. I practiced for a long time trying to heel-toe. For the most part, I had it down decently, but I noticed it hurt my ankle.

Last summer, I put a fixed-back Corbuea seat in place of my drivers seat, and I must say, heel-toeing was a breeze! Our seats sit us up pretty high, and you wouldn't notice it unless you drove a 2g with a bucket or reclinable racing seat.

Right before the end of the season, I got rid of the fixed-back wanting to buy a reclinable Corbuea; I put the stock 2g seat back in, and heal-toeing was again hard as hell.

I personally can't see how that would help a person as I have an aluminum seat in my car and it made no difference for me in trying to heel-toe. The seat did help out tons with being able to relax and actually drive the car with not having to hold on for deal life though and I will never autocross again without a good seat.

I'll pick up a set of wider pedal covers and see if I can get the brake pedal adjusted lower so that under heavy braking, it is on an even plane with the gas pedal.

Off topic: but do you guys really see a big improvement in your track times by using this technique?

408, I don't H/T on the track yet since I'm not consistently good at it & it's not yet "natural". It sounds cool when I do get it right. Another point, an aluminium flywheel helps a great deal too. So much so that I'm putting one in my 'roo DD as we speak.

My pedals are well shimmed to do so however. I found that with my deal, I had to toss the rubber on the 2 little pedals, & bolt them on. Then I added a 1/8" or so plate between the plastic and the new cover to raise the throttle pedal.

Red97, I've noticed in previous vehicles that my knee would hit the steering wheel, forcing me to twist my leg in a screwy way to H/T, so I think if the seat in those cars had been lower, that would have been less if an issue.

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Off topic: but do you guys really see a big improvement in your track times by using this technique?

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I haven't done this too much either but practice whenever I can. One thing that does drop your lap times which I started doing late last year is left foot braking. Doing it right can keep the turbo spooled and drastically help corner exit.

There's only 2 reasons i do it, one is to rev match the trans on down shifts so it's a smoother transition on braking. ( a technique i picked up from racing bikes where if you down shift and don't rev match you can loose traction in the rear while entering a turn...not good)

but as far as the easiest way I've found to make it easier, is to just put a cover on the clutch and gas pedals leaving the one for the brake off, this brings the gas pedal higher and closer to the brake, and i just put one on the clutch to keep from slipping off it with wet feet.