BLOWN engine 99 GSX

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 5, 2007

Need some help guys. I just had work done to my car at victor research in CT. They installed, magnus,hks cams,springs/retainers, and headstuds. I am not saying its there falut, but it might be. I got the car back sat, put around 150 miles on it. This morning on my way to school driving normal(50mph) hear a bang, i was like there's my engine. Got it pulled over and jacked it up, i saw a small hole on the front side of the block, but no oil from there, all from the back, so i assume there is a big one there. And this is weird the starter braket broke, atleast i think thats what it is. Timing belt looks fine, it would of snapped it it was off a degree right? So what could the casue be???

Thanks

turbogentwo · Sep 5, 2007

OUCH! Did it run lean?? from your repairs sounds like something was forgotten to either be tightened properly and come loose or your car had a weak metal that finally gave up hard to believe it wasn't something someone else created though :[

blcknspo0ln · Sep 5, 2007

It could be so many things, but I am going to ASSume it is the mechanic's fault. Tow it back to them and make sure they make it right. Unless you were driving like an ass, put no oil in it, or were doing stutterboxes on your fresh rebuild, I would question the mechanic's work. DO NOT DRIVE IT NOR MESS WITH IT. Tow it to the shop as is and let them handle it.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 5, 2007

No i was driving normal, i mean the other night i was on it. If i tow it, it will be like 600, and they said its not their fault, so i am going take the valve cover off tomorrow see maybe the springs werent in right.

AWD_Boosted4g63 · Sep 5, 2007

blcknspo0ln said:
It could be so many things, but I am going to ASSume it is the mechanic's fault. Tow it back to them and make sure they make it right. Unless you were driving like an ass, put no oil in it, or were doing stutterboxes on your fresh rebuild, I would question the mechanic's work. DO NOT DRIVE IT NOR MESS WITH IT. Tow it to the shop as is and let them handle it.

if they won't fix anything then i'd suggest going with a six bolt, but just prey they do to save time, money, and hastle

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 5, 2007

AWD_Boosted4g63 said:
if they won't fix anything then i'd suggest going with a six bolt, but just prey they do to save time, money, and hastle

yea i am going to check it out tomorrow. i hope its there falut, but the block is 137k old with a lot of mods, but i wasnt on it when it happened,which confuses me.

Littlebeeper · Sep 5, 2007

taking the head off may not tell you anything, you may have to drop the oil pan. something in the damn block let loose

PieEyedPiper · Sep 6, 2007

Leave it alone. Don't take anything off (that is if you can;t get the car there for a reasanable amount).
$600 for a tow? you don't have AAA?

Obviously if its going to be 600 to tow it, thats half your rebuild fund.. but if possible take it back to the shop. Obviously they will say its not their fault, but make them fix it cause thats an awfully large coincidence.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 6, 2007

PieEyedPiper said:
Leave it alone. Don't take anything off (that is if you can;t get the car there for a reasanable amount).
$600 for a tow? you don't have AAA?

Obviously if its going to be 600 to tow it, thats half your rebuild fund.. but if possible take it back to the shop. Obviously they will say its not their fault, but make them fix it cause thats an awfully large coincidence.

I just dont think there going to fix it, so towing it there would be a waste. He said it wasnt his falut, so what i would like to do is see what casued it, and see whos falut it is. Where can i get a 6 bolt from, just search around junk yards.

Big Woo · Sep 6, 2007

Of course it's your car you can do whatever you like. However please consider the following.

1: If you mess with it, and or disassemble it, the place that did the work may then choose not to cover anything. Since you denied them the opertunity too investigate and determine the root cause.

2: Do you feel that you are truely qualified to disassemble the motor and make a profesional determination as to what led to the failure. If this is the case then why did you have someone else do the work in the first place.

absolute_DSM · Sep 6, 2007

mitsuclipsegsx said:
I just dont think there going to fix it, so towing it there would be a waste. He said it wasnt his falut, so what i would like to do is see what casued it, and see whos falut it is. Where can i get a 6 bolt from, just search around junk yards.

Tell them exactly that :

Obviously they will say its not their fault, but make them fix it cause thats an awfully large coincidence.

I personally wouldnt get a 6 bolt from a junk yard. Any one I picked up, I would rebuild/forge anyways.

Youre looking at some good money either way, unless you get them to fix this.

DsmKid98GST · Sep 6, 2007

Rent a trailer and tow it yourself.

Have a friend with a trailer hitch to go with you or rent a car with a trailer hitch. The price of that will be way less than $600.

hopwoodp · Sep 6, 2007

mitsuclipsegsx- Any decent mechanic will look at it and try to help you out. They don't just say "It isn't my fault". Thats bs. All mechanics should inspect their work and if a problem comes up, you jump right on it.

A crack in the block is a pretty serious thing.

Also, that 3rd picture is a huge red flag. Theres got to be someone in your area that can help you out with this.

Talonracn50 · Sep 6, 2007

what is the third picture of? I was thinking it might be that the flywheel bolts came loose if thats the top of the tranny -- and where the starter mounts.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 6, 2007

3rd pic is the starter bracket i think. He said he would look at it, i just dont think he will say it was there falut, but i am first gonna see how it happend and go from there.

jrpmp69 · Sep 6, 2007

$600!!!Holly $h!t! Good looord thats a lot of money. are you towing it 200 miles or something?

To me it looks like a rod might have broke or something came loose and flew , it looks like the work that was performed was to the head only so of course they are going to say its not their fault.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 6, 2007

I just took the valve cover off and everything looks fine. So it can't be there falut correct?? All they did was the manifold,hks cams,springs/retainers,lifters and headstuds.

PieEyedPiper · Sep 6, 2007

djjohns55 said:
Did they install new piston rings on your engine. with all of that head work you were almost sure to blowout the bottom end if no one re- rung the pistons at least if its a since its a 7 bolt they should have went ahead and installed new bearings also because a powerful head will ruin a non rebuilt bottom end.

I'm not buyin' it. Source?

To the OP,
I agree maybe it was just the engine's time to go if all they did was do your lifters/cams/head studs and intake manifold. I would imagine the head never came off. But there is still the coincidence factor.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 6, 2007

PieEyedPiper said:
I'm not buyin' it. Source?

To the OP,
I agree maybe it was just the engine's time to go if all they did was do your lifters/cams/head studs and intake manifold. I would imagine the head never came off. But there is still the coincidence factor.

They never took the head off. so i guess its not there falut, no they did not do piston rings.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 6, 2007

talon187 said:
where in ct are you from ?

I am in dover plains,my gf lives in cornwall, ## about 20 min from her.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 6, 2007

Was I suppose to break it in? after 70 miles, i was on it pretty good, would that of caused it? But when it happend i was driving slow, wasnt like i was nailing it and it happened then i would know why. I dont know why it would happen at regluar speed.

Talonracn50 · Sep 6, 2007

Since the engine had not been rebuilt, I see no reason that he should have waited to get on it. The only things that need that initial break in time are all bottom end related. And with proper maintenance, there is no reason to just rering an engine because it "has been a while". If it had proper compression, it had proper compression. End of story.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 7, 2007

Compression was perfect at the beginning of the year. Now i heard when you add cams it leans the car out, so maybe i needed to retune it. That might of casued it.

daren_p · Sep 7, 2007

mitsuclipsegsx said:
Compression was perfect at the beginning of the year. Now i heard when you add cams it leans the car out, so maybe i needed to retune it. That might of casued it.

Cams shouldn't change your tune as far as leaning the car out, yes they will increase VE/airflow but the MAF reads the new increased airflow & injects fuel accordingly. Your air/fuel ratio should basically be the same but cams do create more cylinder pressure at the same boost so it isn't out of the norm for a tune that didn't knock pre cams to knock with cams. Did you do any logs to check the tune after the cams? Sure you could have seen alot of knock & thrown a rod through the block but this wouldn't seem to be the cause to me, as you said you were under light load when it happened.

mitsuclipsegsx · Sep 7, 2007

No i didnt do a log, that was a mistake, it is weird that it happened under normal driving but i remember like 2 min before it happen i passed a car, maybe took it to 5k, nothing crazy...

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