hello, i want to know what are supportin mods for this turbo?

thx

You'll need a lot of stuff to use that turbo to its full potential, not just a fuel pump.

You're looking for at least a 255lph high pressure rated pump, 1200+cc/min injectors, replacing your fuel feed and return lines, a really good AFPR and possibly a custom fuel rail. -And that's just the fuel system.

Maybe he/she should do some more reading...

Read my setup in my profile. That is what you need. Some can argue the tuning device and injector size but it is at least a guide for a minimum.

I'll be more helpful than some. This is a general idea of what will give you the optimal setup, I'll let you decide what you want to downgrade.

Full intake from filter to throttle-body including a front mount intercooler. I would suggest a blowthrough GM MAF setup (you can get a complete solution from places like DejonPowerhouse or SBR).

Full exhaust from turbocharger back and including a higherflow manifold. That's mandifold, o2 sensor housing, downpipe, high-flow cat, cat-back. All 3", all mandrel bent.

Boost controller - splurge for a fancy electronic model. Trust me, it's worth the extra money. A lot of people swear by manuals, but simply put, it will never outperform or be as conveniant as an electronic model.

Fuel from the tank foreward. That's a pump, lines, injectors, regulator and someway to control it. DSMLink should do the trick and it will also handle the GM MAF if you decide that's in the plans. Tune, tune, and tune some more.

Get colder sparkplugs and some high octane gas. I would suggest water injection, it's like having a tank full of race gas all the time.

You'll need a stronger clutch to hold the power.

I'm sure I've overlooked some things, but this is just a rough idea of what you need.

Ok i want to jump in here im working on a 3065 setup now. 880s with a single walbro,
AEM EMS. now im about to do a twin walbro because i plan on 35psi or higher. am i going overbord?

Depending but if you like to lives dangerously, than 1 pump is ok.
I suggest this kit and keep your intank Walbro.
http://www.jayracing.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=2

Good kit, They also suggest getting a rewire kit and just wire it up like that. Will give you plenty of fuel and plenty of pressure. Also great company to deal with, they answer all your questions very well and are not out to take your money.

Why is one pump living dangerously? I'm running only one pump on a bigger turbo than a FP3065. If you wanna go nuts do an Aeromotive external fuel pump. They can flow up to 1000+whp. I would also suggest against the GM MAS. There is no need for one on a 2g. The stock mass air is quite capable of handling power. If you decide to go full stand alone engine management like AEM EMS or Autronic then you can get rid of them all together anyway.

Well the problem im having is the injectors are at 100% DC at 27psi at least that is what the AEM says at 12.3-1 A/F. If im correct the pump should be done too?

TurboAnything said:

Well the problem im having is the injectors are at 100% DC at 27psi at least that is what the AEM says at 12.3-1 A/F. If im correct the pump should be done too?

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It sounds like your injectors aren't large enough. What is your fuel pressure set at?

Mind you my explanation was referring to my set up where im going to be running a Direct port Nitrous shot. I should have clarified that.

It sounds like you need to change your injectors out. Most tuners recommend between a 75-80% duty cycle max. Gives breathing room and doesnt burn out injectors as quickly.

If you put in bigger injectors and your still running high duty cycles, try turning up your fuel pressure. If that doesnt work, Get a less restrictive system, I.E. -8an with a high flow fuel filter. If all else fails, Fuel pump time. Either inline pump or sumped tank.

The way you know your fuel pump is running out of breath is when you're leaning out at the top end (knock) and it doesn't change when you dial in more fuel (richen via engine management or increase fuel pressure).

If your injectors are already at 100% IDC but increasing the fuel pressure helps the lean condition, it means your injectors are too small but your fuel pump still has life in it.

If increasing the fuel pressure doesn't help, it means your fuel pump is out of breath but your injectors might be adequate with an adequate fuel supply and you'll be able to turn the IDC down. You just cranked it in vain in hopes of fixing the lean condition, but the injectors can't inject more fuel than the pump is delivering no matter how high you drive the duty cycle.

Remember that larger fuel pumps also benefit from a rewire, so that's an option if you havne't done it yet.

delta448 said:

You'll need a lot of stuff to use that turbo to its full potential, not just a fuel pump.

You're looking for at least a 255lph high pressure rated pump, 1200+cc/min injectors, replacing your fuel feed and return lines, a really good AFPR and possibly a custom fuel rail. -And that's just the fuel system.

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Hi, my setup is Walbro 255 high pressure, 850cc injectors, stock rail, stock lines, aeromotive FPR.
Fully built motor (roos 8.5, eagle rods, all arp, hks272/272, exedy stage 2 clutch)
Car is making lows 11s at 23psi and very poor tune, but at this boost injectors duty cycle is at 98% at 9000 rpm. Fuel presure base is 50psi.
I want to raise to 30psi on my FP3065 (65 lb/min turbo) and obviously fuel setup doesnt seems enough.
Ive ordered an A1000 aeromotive FP (external) , inline filter, aeromotive fuel rail and gonna upgrade lines, but i have 1150cc injectors (got it from a deal)
1150cc injectors will be enough for 30psi on this turbo?
Thanks for your help people, this forums is the very best.
Here is a video link. Car made 11,97 sec , first time on 11s, half year ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOdf4OKZLI

DSM POWER PERU

Injected said:

Boost controller - splurge for a fancy electronic model. Trust me, it's worth the extra money. A lot of people swear by manuals, but simply put, it will never outperform or be as conveniant as an electronic model.
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Says who? You? I've used manual and electronic and the manual was more convenient and held boost better. Also much easier to set.

eclipse98gs-t said:

Hi, my setup is Walbro 255 high pressure, 850cc injectors, stock rail, stock lines, aeromotive FPR.
Fully built motor (roos 8.5, eagle rods, all arp, hks272/272, exedy stage 2 clutch)
Car is making lows 11s at 23psi and very poor tune, but at this boost injectors duty cycle is at 98% at 9000 rpm. Fuel presure base is 50psi.
I want to raise to 30psi on my FP3065 (65 lb/min turbo) and obviously fuel setup doesnt seems enough.
Ive ordered an A1000 aeromotive FP (external) , inline filter, aeromotive fuel rail and gonna upgrade lines, but i have 1150cc injectors (got it from a deal)
1150cc injectors will be enough for 30psi on this turbo?
Thanks for your help people, this forums is the very best.
Here is a video link. Car made 11,97 sec , first time on 11s, half year ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOdf4OKZLI

DSM POWER PERU

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Yes 1150's will be enough. My friend Brokentsi on here has 1000cc injectors with his fp3082r and ran 33psi to run a 10.96.

1992awdlaser said:

Yes 1150's will be enough. My friend Brokentsi on here has 1000cc injectors with his fp3082r and ran 33psi to run a 10.96.

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FP3082R and FP3065 are the same turbo? I mean GT30 turbine and GT40 compressor??

Little confused here.

eclipse98gs-t said:

FP3082R and FP3065 are the same turbo? I mean GT30 turbine and GT40 compressor??

Little confused here.

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Its a 3065 with an 82ar t3 housing. So it should be capable of slightly more power than the 3065.

What's all this about needing 1200cc injectors for this turbo. . . 1200cc injectors flow enough to match 850 hp at around 11:1 a/f ratio.

A rewired (13 volts) Walbro 255HP can flow enough to match 650 hp (over 200 l/hr at 35+ psi). 950s at 90% IDC flow enough fuel to match 650 hp. Many guys have used 950s on 60+ lb/min setups. Is the 3065 wheel or turbine capable of more than 650 hp!? FP states that the 3065 is all but spent when knocking on the door of 600hp.

He!! even 850s flow enough to match 580 hp at 11:1 a/f at 90% idc. Don't you already have 850s, a walbro 255hp, and an AFPR? Bump up your fp, retune, and you'll likely have enough right now for this turbo!

Slow99x said:

Why is one pump living dangerously? I'm running only one pump on a bigger turbo than a FP3065. If you wanna go nuts do an Aeromotive external fuel pump. They can flow up to 1000+whp. I would also suggest against the GM MAS. There is no need for one on a 2g. The stock mass air is quite capable of handling power. If you decide to go full stand alone engine management like AEM EMS or Autronic then you can get rid of them all together anyway.

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Just a note: A gm maf can read over 60 lbs/min w/out starting to skip counts. Personally, I've never seen a 2g maf go near this. But I've seen a 3065 go near this. . . Nevertheless, The 2g maf will do AT LEAST great for 500 hp. So that should be enough to really get into this turbo good!

Another option is the EVO 8 MAF. It can read great up to 60lbs/min as well. And is less expensive.

dsm-onster said:

What's all this about needing 1200cc injectors for this turbo. . . 1200cc injectors flow enough to match 850 hp at around 11:1 a/f ratio.

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I didn't say need. And I also didn't do the math myself, maybe that was my mistake. I used RC's calculator. At 43.5psi base fp, 0.6 BSFC, 80% idc the calculator says you need four 1288cc injectors to reach 650hp.

Well, I was using 100% IDC. That is the difference. . . You're suggestion is probably best as no one should size injectors for over 80% IDC. I just don't think this turbo can deliver much over 600 hp. So I'd still try using what he has. If he's got the budget then why not get injectors that would be at only 80% IDC when flowing beyond the limits of the turbo, right? He!! if he's going to upsize, he should get 1600cc injectors. Some have noted questionable idle qualities. But, I believe this can be tuned out.

Definately though, the single Walbro 255HP is enough. Turboford and turbobuick guys are finding ways of getting more voltage than the rewired alternator charging voltage to these pumps and squeezing out significantly more flow. . . I'd still use what you have (injectors, AFPR, pump) and see where you are. . . $320 for fuel injectors is $320.

1992awdlaser said:

Its a 3065 with an 82ar t3 housing. So it should be capable of slightly more power than the 3065.

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A FP3065 is a Garret GT3082 turbo with FP's custom cast bolt on SS turbine housing. The 82 in the part number doesn't refer to Garrets turbine A/R, it refers to the comp wheel & this turbo can be had in the different T3 A/R's. But yes a .82 A/R T3 housing should flow abit better then the FP housing for more top end power potential. The FP housing would be more comparable to a .63 A/R T3 housing. The FP housing itself comes in at .68-.70 but being it has a different volute compared to a T3 housing you can't compare A/R's directly.

TurboAnything: Sure you already know it but those 880's defently won't do if you want to use that turbo to its potential. I'm already seeing 85% IDC on my 750's with the 3052 turbo & that only at 21 psi.

Ya i know I have ordered two walbro 255hp pumps im running -8 lines to the rail and im going to bump up the pressure to like 55psi on the FPR. So im like a week or two from 35+ psi im excited 27psi does not feel fast anymore.

Injected said:

DSMLink should do the trick and it will also handle the GM MAF if you decide that's in the plans.

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Not true, at least not yet. You still need a translator if you want to run a GM maf.

paper_clip_boy said:

Depending but if you like to lives dangerously, than 1 pump is ok.
I suggest this kit and keep your intank Walbro.
http://www.jayracing.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=2

Good kit, They also suggest getting a rewire kit and just wire it up like that. Will give you plenty of fuel and plenty of pressure. Also great company to deal with, they answer all your questions very well and are not out to take your money.

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I am using a similar kit for 600 awhp on e85 (e85 needs more fuel delivery then race gas).
I am feeding a Bosch 044/-8an line with my intake walbro 255. From other peoples experinces, this is a great setup.

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If you wanna go nuts do an Aeromotive external fuel pump. They can flow up to 1000+whp.

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The Aeromotive A1000 (I ASSume this is the pump you are talking about) dosent flow that well at the pressures we run them at. Through some testing it has been found that the Bosch 044 out flows the Aeromotive A1000 at high pressures (43 psi base + 35 psi = 78 psi of fuel pressure). The Aeromotive seems like it was designed to be used on NA cars or FI cars not running that much boost.

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I would also suggest against the GM MAS. There is no need for one on a 2g. The stock mass air is quite capable of handling power.

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What the hell are you talking about? The 2G MAS takes a crap right around 52 lbs/min. I have done this... Mine meatered up to 54 lbs/min but started droping counts as low as 48 lbs/min. A FP3065 is a 65 lbs/min turbo, the 2G MAS will easily be overrun by it above 30 psi. I now run a EVO (399) MAS and have metered over 60 lbs/min without losing any counts, I hope it will meter up to 65 lbs/min.