Not a problem. It helped me out a lot too.

kmoore said:

Not a problem. It helped me out a lot too.

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Yea, it looks like it fills the opening perfectly. Except when you look at the pictures the endtank shows more on one side than the other. I'm not sure if thats a R&D error or an install error.

Spoolin98 said:

Yea, it looks like it fills the opening perfectly. Except when you look at the pictures the endtank shows more on one side than the other. I'm not sure if thats a R&D error or an install error.

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Yeah, that is the only disappointing part about the kit. He said that that was the only cutting involved to fit the FMIC. Other than that it looks like a solid FMIC.

kmoore said:

Yeah, that is the only disappointing part about the kit. He said that that was the only cutting involved to fit the FMIC. Other than that it looks like a solid FMIC.

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So basically its a design flaw that the intercooler doesn't sit centered?

Spoolin98 said:

So basically its a design flaw that the intercooler doesn't sit centered?

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I don't think its as much as the intercooler doesn't sit centered, as much as the way the pipe exits out of the intercooler on the left side (which is the only cutting he said he had to do to the bumper). I would think if they would have bent the pipe back (towards the engine), on the left side of the intercooler, a little bit more we wouldn't have to cut that little section of the bumper out. You know what I mean?

I think I understand what your saying. I have the front mount now and I started to install it. Is Exile the persons member name? If so his profile says he has a 95 and that car doesn't look like a 95. I want to PM him and see if he ca answer a few questions for me.

I'm a bit confused as to what people do with the big black bumper support that bolts to the frame of the car. Do people cut it up so it still fits? Or remove it completely? I cut mine up and it still fits on, but all the write ups and threads I read no one ever mentions modifying it. I also had to remove the bumper support where the top of the bumper and hood meet. Thats the only way I could fit the front mount on. Will the bumper sag right there now? Should I modify it so can still use it?

There is no way Exile installed this FMIC with the bumper support that attaches to the frame without modifying it. Esp since when you cut the black part out of the mouth of the bumper, the bumper support then shows. Do people cut it so it doesn't show or remove it?

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Ill try and post pics later.

Yes Exile is his member name. And he did a 2qb conversion. Here I will try and copy and paste all the info he gave me...

ME Edit: Here you go. All the info he gave me:
First off, I thought I sent you a PM already but on my account it says that I didn't send anything. But, If you did get my previous message, there is no need to read it again. haha) Hey hows it going. My name is Kyle and I noticed that you had Dejon's FMIC. From the looks of it, it looks like Dejon's new FMIC with the long route piping. Is that correct? If so, how do you like it? How is the fit? Are there any major modifications? Did you have to cut the bumper alot? Do you happen to have any pictures of the bumper on the car with the FMIC installed? Thanks a lot for your time and awesome looking car. Thanks- Kyle


EXILEYeah I got both of the messages. The Dejon front mount has been an epic battle. I first installed it on a 95-96 talon bumper and had a lot of trimming to do, it turned into a full days work because I was trying to be chinchy with the trimming, I hate cutting expensive stuff. =) You have to trim the bumper and the bumper cover quite a bit. On my 95 bumper I had to get rid of more than I wanted to honestly.

I had it on there for a while, some of the pipes don't line up 100% and he only gives you 3" couplers so if you can imagine trying to fit two pipes together you only get about 1.5" on each piece and it doesn't give you much room to move around. I had to remove the AC fan because 1) my AC doesn't work right now, and 2) I didn't purchase slim fans. I also had to remove the power steering coolant line. I drained it, cut it, and looped it with a piece of hose and so far it hasn't over heated or anything.

Other than that, there's no frame or anything to cut, the pipes route pretty well. The kit is meant to be installed with the UICP. The reason I bought this kit was because I had already bought the UICP before and didn't think too far ahead.

After it had been on the car for 3 months I really wanted to go with the 2gb front bumper. So I ordered one online, dremeled off the upper lip of the main opening and sent it to get painted. After I got it back from being painted I attempted to install it and it would not fit at all, . I did NOT want to cut my brand new painted bumper but I was forced to cut it.. and a lot if you ask me. I also realized that not only did I have to cut the bumper cover but the actual bumper had to go completely. I'm not sure if the 2gb bumper is any different but if it IS you may be able to keep it. I spoke with a few people and they got rid of theirs completely as well.

I can't really think of anything else, I mean the entire thing was a big pain in the ass, really stressful but when it was all over with I tell you man, there isn't a time when I walk passed that thing and not stare for at least 6-7 seconds haha. The 2gb really makes it shine bro, I'm serious.

I can't tell you if this was a better install or a harder install than other front mounts, but when it's all over with it's worth it.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

http://www.exxy.net/talon

MEWow, man thanks a lot for all the help. What I was most concerned about was the cutting of the bumper on the left side opening, kind of where the old SMIC went. But, it looks like you didn't have to cut that at all.

I do have one more question if you don't mind me asking. When you talk about the power steering coolant line; is that the metal "loop" in the front opening of our bumper? The one that is right in front of the radiator? That is also a concern of mine because 1.) I have no idea what it does and 2.) I am almost sure that its got to be relocated somewhere.

I also have the UICP's too from Dejon and that is what attracted me to his new FMIC. I really, really appreciate all your help with this too. Thanks again- Kyle

EXILEI deleted some of the other stuff because I'm a rabid typer.

Uhm, I did however have to cut a little bit out of the left side of my 2gb bumper to get it to fit, but it's so far back and it's sort of hidden, you may never know unless you inspect it throughly. As far as the "loop" goes, you may be describing the automatic tranny fluid coolant line.

If you have an automatic transmission then there should probably be that coolant line and the power steering line. If you have an m/t then you should only have 1 line and yes that's the one however to be honest I can't remember if it's in front or in the back of the radiator. I'm pretty sure it was in front.

I felt a little wiry about removing it also, however I was going to get that FMIC in there no matter what it took. Like I said, I cut the "loop" of the coolant line about 6-7 inches away from the pump and made my own loop with some coolant hose. Now, if that is a safe way to do it, I'm not sure.. Could it damage the pump? possibly. So far I haven't had any issues, and it's been about 5 months. I suppose I'll do something down the road, I have the tools to bend new coolant line and it's not very hard. Maybe I'll make it look like an intercooler sprayer or something =)

I think that was it, let me know if you need anything else. I actually have another picture I think, hold on..

I added two pictures here, with the bumper off closer up.

http://www.exxy.net/talon/

btw, Dejon is a good guy to purchase from. One time I was having some issues with the flange from the UICP. You mayyy be familiar with it, it's the flange that connects to the throttle body. It was a tad warped so he sent me another one same color and everything. He also answers all questions. I have yet to confront him about my fitment issue but I'll take a picture of it and ask him about it later, maybe I did something wrong.

MEMan, you are a huge help. I did notice in one of the pictures that you sent me that you did have to cut the bumper on the left side just a little bit, but it is so little I'm sure nobody would really make that big a deal about it.

You wouldn't happen to have any pics of the intercooler piping looking down from inside of the engine bay would you (right by the turbo and radiator/fans)? I would love to see what you did with that little loop your talking about also, if you have a pic of that? Also, I do have a manual so I guess that is what it is. I really, really appreciate all your help with this. If you don't mind, when I do get this FMIC, would you mind if I sent you a couple of questions if I have any? Thanks again

EXILEYeah, no big deal. I'll take a picture from a top view, I have my radiator out and turbo out atm but sometime around Wednesday I should have everything back together. I'm porting the 16g more because when I bought it they said it was ported and I didn't know what to look for, now that I do.. I have to go back and do more =( plus 3 turbo bolts seized up so I have to order more because I can't find any in any stores around here.

Also do you have an autotranny?

ALL THE INFO I HAVE

I did a complete writeup on this kit in the feed-back/tech articles a while back and what needs to be done on an A/T.
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238938
I got the complete kit with UICP.

Also here are some pics. I am going to re-bend the brackets now that the cooler lines arent in the way anymore so the core doesnt look so raised up.

Kyle,
Thanks for all your help, I'm slowly putting this together. I'm assuming when he said bumper cover he meant the actual bumper you see on the car and when he said bumper he meant the black long fiberglass piece on the inside of the bumper?

Spoolin98 said:

Kyle,
Thanks for all your help, I'm slowly putting this together. I'm assuming when he said bumper cover he meant the actual bumper you see on the car and when he said bumper he meant the black long fiberglass piece on the inside of the bumper?

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Exactly. That is exactly how I took it.

Jeff,
Thanks for the pictures, I took a look at your write up. How did you install the FMIC with this piece still in? I found it to be impossible? Unless you modified it.
In your photo it is not clear enough for me to see how you made it fit. BTW, I ended up removing the power steering lines all together, they were getting in the way off the piping. I tried to mouth them behind the support bar as in the picture but no go.

kmoore said:

Exactly. That is exactly how I took it.

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Well the "bumper" as he states, I cut up and made it fit so I can use it with the front mount.

Here are the most recent pictures, as you can see I mounted the FMIC without the piece in the above picture I posted.

When I test fitted the bumper, it had a very minimal gap between the bottom of the intercooler and the bumper.

Damn that thing is HUGE! Thanks for the pics. And about the power steering lines, Exile said he just removed the metal tubing and just looped the to hoses together right by the actual power steering resevoir. BTW did you polish that FMIC or did Dejon do it?

kmoore said:

Damn that thing is HUGE! Thanks for the pics. And about the power steering lines, Exile said he just removed the metal tubing and just looped the to hoses together right by the actual power steering resevoir. BTW did you polish that FMIC or did Dejon do it?

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I did the same with the power steering lines. It came polished, looks really good. In the pictures its actually pretty dirty. Ill take more pictures next time and post them.

Spoolin98 said:

Jeff,
Thanks for the pictures, I took a look at your write up. How did you install the FMIC with this piece still in? I found it to be impossible? Unless you modified it.
In your photo it is not clear enough for me to see how you made it fit. BTW, I ended up removing the power steering lines all together, they were getting in the way off the piping. I tried to mouth them behind the support bar as in the picture but no go.

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Mine was fine, i also put spacers behind the top brackets though so that might be why mine doesnt touch it, and as for the PS lines i just took a rubber hose and looped it right back in eliminating all the hard lines in front.

Jeff822 said:

Mine was fine, i also put spacers behind the top brackets though so that might be why mine doesnt touch it, and as for the PS lines i just took a rubber hose and looped it right back in eliminating all the hard lines in front.

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Would you mind taking some pictures of how you mounted it for me? Anything would help, Im not understanding how you used spacers to make it fit. If you look at my pictures, the FMIC is sitting right on top of the frame.

Man I was really set on this kit once I found it as well. I'm running their intake and upper IC piping fine without any problems, but after doing a 6-bolt swap with the 1G IM, the IC piping sits higher resulting in the fuse box being raised. Also the 2nd to last bend going to the TB had to be dented a bit to fit over the thermostat housing.

Soo I'm going to have to make a custom FMIC kit and do short route piping.

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Man I was really set on this kit once I found it as well. I'm running their intake and upper IC piping fine without any problems, but after doing a 6-bolt swap with the 1G IM, the IC piping sits higher resulting in the fuse box being raised. Also the 2nd to last bend going to the TB had to be dented a bit to fit over the thermostat housing.

Soo I'm going to have to make a custom FMIC kit and do short route piping.

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Thanks for the heads-up, Im in the process of a 6bolt swap right now. Ill keep that in mind. Its too late now, I already purchased it.

Spoolin98 said:

Thanks for the heads-up, Im in the process of a 6bolt swap right now. Ill keep that in mind. Its too late now, I already purchased it.

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Yeah no problem. I actually had to revert back to my 1g BOV too, I had drilled holes in the existing flange to run a Type-S that wasn't being used but now I can't use it.

Also on the same note, they sell an adapter that would make the Type-S or any knock-off of it to bolt-up to a 1g flange. The piece fits nicely but you won't be able to close your hood (oem) if you installed the adapter. It's funny how they advertise it with the exact piping I have from them, yet they forgot one thing. I'll just hold on to the adapter for when I get short route piping so I don't waste the $25 I spent on it.

From the pics I've seen on this thread I have a couple of things to say.
1) The short route intercooler has terrible end tanks. Any time there are sharp edges in the path of flowing water (or air in this case) it will cause dissruptions in the air. I do not recommend this type just to get a shorter route to the throttle body. It cancels out what you gained from the short route by disturbing the air flow.
2)For the price the side to side IC that was pictured last was ok. The endtanks are still small but at least they wont hurt the air flow. Larger end tanks will flow better and will have less pressure drop. I would not expect to make a ton of power on this type of intercooler but it should be fine for a moderatly powerful street car.

2GeNTSi said:

Yeah no problem. I actually had to revert back to my 1g BOV too, I had drilled holes in the existing flange to run a Type-S that wasn't being used but now I can't use it.

Also on the same note, they sell an adapter that would make the Type-S or any knock-off of it to bolt-up to a 1g flange. The piece fits nicely but you won't be able to close your hood (oem) if you installed the adapter. It's funny how they advertise it with the exact piping I have from them, yet they forgot one thing. I'll just hold on to the adapter for when I get short route piping so I don't waste the $25 I spent on it.

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Well I have an HKS BOV so Ill update this once I get that far and let you know how that one works out. When you said you have the long route piping, are you talking about the dejon blow thru piping? Ill have to figure something out to make it fit right, I don't feel like spending more money at the moment, I wish I would have known this before I bought the FMIC, oh well.

Slow99x said:

From the pics I've seen on this thread I have a couple of things to say.
1) The short route intercooler has terrible end tanks. Any time there are sharp edges in the path of flowing water (or air in this case) it will cause dissruptions in the air. I do not recommend this type just to get a shorter route to the throttle body. It cancels out what you gained from the short route by disturbing the air flow.
2)For the price the side to side IC that was pictured last was ok. The endtanks are still small but at least they wont hurt the air flow. Larger end tanks will flow better and will have less pressure drop. I would not expect to make a ton of power on this type of intercooler but it should be fine for a moderatly powerful street car.

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I see what your saying about the short route FMIC end tanks, they are pretty bad. As for the FMIC I purchased, I'm only looking to make 400-500 whp with my setup, so I should be fine. Until I buy a larger turbo, this FMIC will do just fine with a evo III 16g.

Jeff822,
Any luck with those pictures I asked for?