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Never said the workers were french. Dont see anywhere I posted that.

As I stated as well they have multiple manuf. plants so the pics may not be exactly from that plant. This is was is refered to as "taking thing literally"

Said the plant is based in france. They have more than one plant and some are not listed on the website either.

They have 2 main US Branches...one is NY and another in CA but the workers there are japanese. Odd how that works.

Honest, I am just trying to help out..if you don't like the products thats fine or if you don't want these made then thats cool. I have multiple PM's stating these apparantly are a desired product.

Mike
 
My motives for getting in your face are these: (1) I don't like it when people try to sell stuff in the non-vendor forums and (2) I don't like companies that steal the ideas of others. That you are silly enough to believe that the workers in a French plant aren't from an EU country was just a side (and snide) amusement.

You can make up for it by providing some actual information: Is it a plain Type-2 or is it a Type-2 R?

- Jtoby
 
First, I didn't try to sell not one thing. If you want to be literal about it. I just said I could see what I can do about getting them made. Never stated a price or payment info. Didn't even say I was selling them. Kind of pointless to post another thread on this item in the vendor forum when there is no product. Then instead of you playing this childs game..I would have got "don't you know how to use the search?".

Second, If you don't like OBX thats fine. IF OBX is stealing ideas then they would have been sued by now and they have not. I have personally talked to the GM at Quaife and he even stated he cant do anything about it. Sad thing is...most your products your buying are copied from somewhere. I'm sorry you don't like the product or the company...never asked you to but doesn't give you right to disrespect me.

Amuseing? That there might be japanes workers in a manuf. plant owned by japanes. Whats so hard about that concept..really. I know here where I live we have EOE(equal opportunity employment) which I see whites, blacks, asians, hispanic and so on working in one building here in the U.S. What makes that so different?

Lastely, I don't like child games. I am a business man and treat everybody I come into contact with as I wish to be treated. I give respect to every person who posts and the fact that you disrespect me so harshly just over where I posted trying to help people out on this board as I noticed people were interested in the product and it wasn't delivered as promised. If you dont want my help then fine, I won't help but I will guarantee that I can still have this product made.

Not sure if you have ever heard of 1st impressions but the impression you give off expecially to a new member represent this forum and how members get treated.

As for your "you can make things up" comment. These LSD's haven't even been discussed with OBX so there isn't a single bit of info on these except the fact that they will be cheaper than competition companies and a lifetime warranty. Furthermore, I don't feel I have to make anything up to you, I never "got in your face".

I do however have some members info of who are interested and me posting here offering to help didn't bother them. If I go through with these and bring the news to this forum...then it will go into the vendor forum. I know how forums work...and where to post. Just FYI.

Mike
 
Ok settle down.

For one phantomHP I edited your post leaving info pertaining to us and removing the neon info.

People can contact OBX directly about getting them made seeing as we want all vendors to be able to carry the product and not have one corner the market. If people have PM'd you about it then by all means contact OBX and find out.

Most of the products that are produced for DSM's do not have very good quality, that's a fact.
 
Thanks, I do appreciate it.

I just wanted to help bring this to the market if there was interest. Wasn't going to really corner the market with it. It just looked like your members here had interest so thought I would help.

I will check with OBX about getting them made if still needed. Only reason I offer is because the GM of OBX is allowing me to have special products made.

Members here can just let me know and I will personally apologize for the past posts. They were uncalled for and waisted the members time and mods time to edit.

Thanks,
Mike
 
wow i totally forgot about this thread


ok, did any of you guys get that MASSIVE package from OBX? I go this BOX with about 5 huge catalogues in it, i dont get it


I have no idea what obx is about and what kind of company they are, but these catalogues were MASSIVE they have parts for ANYTHING and everything, they even have cast BLOCKS AND HEADS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This company went from another ebay name to something HUGE, i have no idea what kind of operation they are running, but i have never seen anything on this scale before, parts from HUmmers, to corvettes, to porsches to civics...wheels, engines, cams, FMIC's, suspension, intake manifolds, camber kits, even fittings, all seem to be replicas of the already existing products

here is what this company does as i see it:

They take already existing products, copy them with 20% difference to be legal(material weight, style, color) and market it as their own stuff, nothing wrong with this really as it keeps their costs DOWN so much because copying and RD are HUGE differences

Their LSD's are made in europe, and i have a good idea of who is making it for them, a very respected european tranny builder, and this is why its cheaper, they already have a design, no RD costs, just make them

But i am totally stumped on OBX, if you guys saw these catalogues, you would shit your pants, they have MILLIONS of parts, i dont even know how the company is run to make these many parts for these many applications, but all the parts are copies of other companies designs, but as long as the quality is good, im game since the prices are that much cheaper

Im totally stumped though, it would be interesting to do a thorough investigation on this company

The DSM LSD is in the catalogue as well, the Neon ones just finished, im assuming the DSM ones are on the way
 
jtmcinder said:
My motives for getting in your face are these: (1) I don't like it when people try to sell stuff in the non-vendor forums and (2) I don't like companies that steal the ideas of others. That you are silly enough to believe that the workers in a French plant aren't from an EU country was just a side (and snide) amusement.


- Jtoby


(1)I don't see where he is trying to sell anything, only where he is trying to get something developed.

(2)If you don't like it,when it's available, spend the extra money and buy a quaife. Let your wallet do the talking, don't attack someone on here that is trying to help the community out. :rolleyes:
 
Ntrain2k said:
(1)I don't see where he is trying to sell anything, only where he is trying to get something developed.

(2)If you don't like it,when it's available, spend the extra money and buy a quaife. Let your wallet do the talking, don't attack someone on here that is trying to help the community out. :rolleyes:

I totally agree with Ntrain2k ,jtmcinder->if their was such a huge burden on your shoulders then by all means dont buy their stuff. Im currently saving money here and their so I can pick up my lsd's and suspension components,and aslong as their copied from quality products with quality in mind I really dont care. Im not rich and as seeing as my ssautochrome header hasnt blown up yet I will def give obx a try. I personally was going to buy from another vendor off this board but seeing this now has only made me keep my money in my account until I can buy everything at once. Listen bill gates did it, even donald trump did it, so why knock a knock off? :nono:

If Mike is trying to help out the community let him and if he makes a little money on the side big deal thats what vendors do. All I want is a good product for a decent price, this is not wrong of me to want nor is it wrong of anymember to want ,so plz jtmcinder dont single Mike out and leave a sour taste in his mouth ,I would hate for him to base his thoughts of dsmtuners.com because of ONE persons personal thoughts and beliefs. :toobad: Mike I was probably the first and def wont be the last to say ,if you could have obx make a quafie front and center version for our dsm's then poeple will buy. :rocks:

Aside from that what would be the ideal type of lsd for our cars guys? Now is the time to speak. ;)

Umm just to clarify though this thread was started on bs,im just glad it hasnt finished that way.
 
Revolution said:
I totally agree,jtmcinder ,if their was such a huge burden on your shoulders then by all means dont buy their stuff. Im currently saving money here and their so I can pick up my lsd's and suspension components,and aslong as their copied from quality products with quality in mind I really dont care. Im not rich and as seeing as my ssautochrome header hasnt blown up yet I will def give obx a try. I personally was going to buy from another vendor off this board but seeing this now has only made me keep my money in my account until I can buy everything at once. Listen bill gates did it, even donald trump did it, so why knock a knock off? :nono:

If Mike is trying to help out the community let him and if he makes a little money on the side big deal thats what vendors do. All I want is a good product for a decent price, this is not wrong of me to want nor is it wrong of anymember to want ,so plz jtmcinder dont single Mike out and leave a sour taste in his mouth ,I would hate for him to base his thoughts of dsmtuners.com because of ONE persons personal thoughts and beliefs. :toobad: Mike I was probably the first and def wont be the last to say ,if you could have obx make a quafie front and center version for our dsm's then poeple will buy. :rocks:

Aside from that what would be the ideal type of lsd for our cars guys? Now is the time to speak. ;)

Umm just to clarify though this thread was started on bs,im just glad it hasnt finished that way.

Well, I would like to see some sort of LSD with an AIR LOCKER in it... so that I could lock it (like a welded diff or spool) for racing, and unlock it (like a standard LSD) for street driving... :thumb:
 
FireyIce01 said:
Well, I would like to see some sort of LSD with an AIR LOCKER in it... so that I could lock it (like a welded diff or spool) for racing, and unlock it (like a standard LSD) for street driving... :thumb:
When I was at SEMA this past year, I spent a little time in the Eaton Booth. They had a mock rearend set up with one of their new air locker rearends in it. It had axles and wheels and it was powered by some sort of small driveshaft. It had a clear housing to show how it worked and it was awesome. I was discussing with one of Eaton's reps that the sport compact market would love something like that. He did agree, but unfortunately they are only going to be designed for off-road vehicles like Jeeps.

It sucks because I feel that would be a hot product for us. To have a locker at the touch of a button. And they are selling for $600-$800 I believe, which is much cheaper than a Quaife. Ohh well, maybe in 40 years when our DSMs are considered classic cars, maybe they'll make something cool for them.... :rolleyes: :dsm:
 
i as a vendor have seen alot mike is right there are other options and theres diffrent prices and high price doesn't always mean the best!!!!!

but when companies low ball prices that falls into what us vendors call
"cut throat dept." and that isn't cool either our company invested alot
of time and money in actual r and d ... and me personally have offered group
buys on this site to help you all out at a very nice price
and i want to say thanks for everyone that has bought one from me
and hope they all post something about it i personally think our quality is superior
from all the others and i'm sure theres someone out there that will agree...

and for those who think we as companies make a killing i wish i could
show you the books you'd be very surprised......
thanks for the space and putting up with me! :thumb:
your one and only :dsm: king!........1 800 843 8349
george martin

Moderator Edit-L2RTSiAWD-Please don't post about pricing or availability of your products outside the vendor forum
 
I would like to extend out my appreciation for the members here who have supported me and have seen the real reason I posted and that I am only trying to help out where I can. Thanks also to kar king as its is awsome to have another vendor notice and support another company.

As for the OBX LSD's. I am taking down the ideas from the posts and from the PM's I have got and taking them to OBX to see what we can do about getting these developed and out to all the DSM owners. Since I have authorization and full support from oBX to make new products this shouldn't be a problem at all. Just a matter of fine tuning details and what is desired in the LSD and then just patience.

OBX puts a lot of testing into their LSD's to make sure they will handle what consumers will put them through from everyday drivers to full out drag sport compacts.

Whatever Info I get from OBX I will pass along and I hope to pass along good news to the members here. If I get clearance and the ok from OBX that we can get these into production I will let everybody know here ASAP and will possibly start a new Topic in the actual vendor forum at that point and time. OBX may want some kind of list to show how many people would have interest in buying if this product was released.

I will let the members here know once I get more info from OBX on this.

Thanks,
Mike Holton
Phantom Performance
Owner/GM
phantomhp.com
 
Useful DSM diffs that no-one else makes:

T2R front (instead of a T2 front)
T2 or T2R rear, preferably the latter, but I doubt that there's room
40/60 planetary center (since 35/65 is overkill)

- Jtoby
 
I will pass along all the ideas of what styles to make to the GM of OBX and see what he wants to do from there.

He was in production meetings all day so couldnt contact him so it will be tomorrow before I talk to him.

Maybe he will allow us to produce all the units necessary to appeal to all dsm owners.

Thanks,
Mike
 
I would like to pass on some of my observations after my install of this unit. First off the install was a piece of cake, no shimming, and no having to buy a speedo gear. I have about 300 miles on the unit now and it has performed very well. Actually I can’t tell the difference from my stock unit and this one until I give it a little throttle and then the difference is apparent. Both front wheels lock up immediately and now my GS-T finally has some traction. I put a new clutch disk in at the same time as the kormex LSD so I haven’t made real hard launches yet but I have done a few full throttle 2nd and third gear pulls. Torque steer is gone and both wheels are hooking up..nice twin black rubber streaks. My car is heavily modded and I run 26psi on a 60-1 turbo., No actual dyno time but should be somewhere around 500hp. I still spin through 3rd gear, but the traction is there and the violent wheel hop I used to get in third gear is pretty much gone. I will post a better review after I get some more miles on my clutch and hopefully get some time at the track to see what my new found traction does for me.

I would like to mention that dealing with kar king (George) was a pleasure and I’m very happy with there product and pricing. Thanks George for bring all us DSMers a quality product at a budget cost!

Thanks, Chuck
 
On what data do you base this opinion JT ?

I have a 35/65 centre diff in my car now, and I assure you it is in no way overkill - in fact a 30/70 unit may be even more useful. I certainly would not reduce the split one iota.

I would very much like to see your justification supporting this position.

Charles


jtmcinder said:
Useful DSM diffs that no-one else makes:

40/60 planetary center (since 35/65 is overkill)

- Jtoby
 
Charles -

I base it on weight distribution at 1g acceleration for a near-full-weight 2G with a 1" drop. You want more because you autocross. Most people do not want to do this and the Great Unwashed would just kill themselves with such a rear bias.

Now that the rear is fixed, are you pulling the center VC out?

- Jtoby
 
The only reason I would pull this Cusco out is to put an LSD-ing version in.

And then this one would go into my street car (unless I had 2 LSD-ing versions).


You need to drive it first, trust me. And then you'll see why a 30/70 could well be a better split.

Charles
 
jtmcinder said:
Useful DSM diffs that no-one else makes:

T2R front (instead of a T2 front)
T2 or T2R rear, preferably the latter, but I doubt that there's room
40/60 planetary center (since 35/65 is overkill)

- Jtoby


Hey Mike Does OBX have the resources to make the above mentioned or is it looking at present exsisting models for our cars?
 
Honestly, I think they have the resources would just take a bit longer due to alittle more R&D.

Right now all I can really say is they could just go with the same style quaife has done but I am pushing to get your guys whatever style and features you are wanting. Been hard getting ahold of the GM as he went to the branch in NY this week so having to talk through email.

I will keep you posted on updates.

Mike
 
i hate to say it, and its not a negative at all, its actually smart business, but there cant be much RD going on at OBX, they simply re-engineer products

I mean you cant tell me they develop their own stuff when you see the catalogue they sent me.

Earls fittings, EXACT replicas, blue and red and all.

They even have an exhaust for accords that DC came up with a few years back, that twin loop weird thing, where the pipes goes into the muffler,around, and back into it...dont tell me thats RD that OBX came up with..LOL

Everything, absolutely everything OBX i can find you an exact same product from another company.

Again, its not a negative thing, its just a different way of doin business, and as long as the products are of high quality, more power to them, brings the prices down
 
Mike -

You could mention that some people have this crazy idea that OBX copies other people's stuff so that coming out with something that no-one else makes would be great PR.

Seriously.

- Jtoby
 
Ok, let me ask you this then.

If I gave you a product to replicate......and you made it...would you turn around and have enough faith in yourself with out testing (R&D) to just start selling it to customers???

I know I would do that. Just because you can replicate something doesnt mean it would work the same. Not to mention I have seen multiple companies with parts that look the same. I know OBX replicated for the most part but most every company replicates in one way or another if you want to get technical about it.

If I get OBX to make these LSD's for the DSM's....would you buy one right off the shelf if I said it was never tested once??? or how many members here would do that??? I know even me a a business owner still wouldnt do that.

There is more to r&d than coming up with an idea...it involves testing of your new product as well.

As for what your saying jtmcinder I totally agree. I am going to push to get what you guys want as I would like to bring something very new to the market for the dsm crowd. Was there ever a decision on which type of split was wanted??

Thanks,
Mike
 
nazthug said:
Again, its not a negative thing, its just a different way of doin business, and as long as the products are of high quality, more power to them, brings the prices down

Are you really that naive or selfish and short-sighted? (Sorry to be blunt.) Don't you realize that R&D will only happen if the creative company has a chance of recouping the investment (plus some profit)? Do you understand the basic concept behind the patent? (Not the letter of the law; the concept.) Are you fluent in Mandarin (yet)?

Grow up, people!

- Jtoby
 
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