IPT said:

I think the discussion should be for people who own this turbo or are thinking about owning this turbo. If you do not fall under this catergories then just keep your mouths shut. If you want to tell people something that you feel is important just PM them.

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If that were the case, most of the threads in here would be no more than 3-4 responses long. That's gonna help a LOT of people.

NOSLO2PT0 said:

IF the turbo performs like shit, isn't that discussing it??

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well THESE turbos haven't performed like shit. mutt turbos performed like shit. why do you guys still insist on bashing or turning people away? didn't you(NOSLO2PT0) say that you would keep your mouth shut and let the results speak for them selves a few pages back?( the pages were deleted by the mods or else I would quote) please any one interested or any one that has purchased this turbo chime in.

please I don't intend to start anything with any one, I am just posting because this back and forth crap is pointless. People have made their minds up or should have made their minds up by now on this wether or not they wnat to purchase this turbo.

I'm done.

i wish i had an awd so i can take it to the track with this setup and show you guys what its capable of running, but given that i have a gst, i will never be posting any really good times

all i can really brag about is highway runs with some big hitters, cars like modded ss's, viper rt's, turbocharged rx8's, etc...

unless i throw a quaife in it, stronger driveshafts and huge slicks, i probably wont be going to the track for any records

My main problem now is having to deal with crappy 91 octane, it sux

I finally finished my 6bolt swap so stay tune for numbers and what not

spades_gsx said:

this is getting old. mutt this, t04b that. I can honestly say that I hope this thread gets closed because instead of discussing the turbo(t04b) all you guys talk about is the credibility and how shitty or not not shitty these turbos perform. there aren't any numbers to back up anything so we are all up in the air as far as our perception on how these turbos perform. I would rather see this thread stay a "discussion", but if it stays out of hand then mods, please close this and someone start a "bullseye t04b turbo review" thread so people with actual experience with the turbo can post their results.

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This thread isn't that old, but it does seem like it lacks the amount of useful info you would expect for it being so long. So, it's OK for the Vendor to come in this thread and hype up his product and directly offer special pricing to people to promote this turbo and other products he sells that aren't even related to this discussion, but someone who gives a simple truthfull rundown of the vendors history is out of line?

Originally this thread was about the v-trim compared to a 16g. Nazthugs dyno of 298hp on pumpgas and 18psi w/ his mods is pretty good imho. Dsmlink is an excellent tuning tool. Did you ever dyno or run with the 16g before you got the v-trim? What mods did you have when you ran the 16g?

I ran 110mph consistently in the 1/4 mile last year on pump gas with a small 16g @ ~21 psi, 650's, 2g maf, afc, FMIC, and a bone stock 120k engine. The car weighed ~3070 lbs with me in it. My best pump ET was 12.44 @110. With race gas my best was 11.98 @115. This works out to ~310-320whp on pump and ~350-360whp on race gas, which seems pretty consistent with dyno graphs i've seen of 16g cars running similar times/MPH.

nazthug said:

i wish i had an awd so i can take it to the track with this setup and show you guys what its capable of running, but given that i have a gst, i will never be posting any really good times

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Your ET/MPH will all be relative to the drivetrain you have. We aren't expecting record AWD times when you have a FWD car. However, the MPH is very indicative of the amt. of hp you are putting down. And being FWD makes it that much easier to run down to the local dyno and get some #'s.

If you are that worried about the 91 piss gas, go throw some race gas in there, turn up the boost, then report those #'s. We are willing to settle for anything.

IPT said:

I think the discussion should be for people who own this turbo or are thinking about owning this turbo. If you do not fall under this catergories then just keep your mouths shut. If you want to tell people something that you feel is important just PM them.

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So where do you fall since you sell Bullseye products?

http://www.theturbotrader.com/index.php?cPath=21

I was told the trader sells oil lines to Bullseye and Bullseye turbo's to the trader.They may be sister companies? What would be the significance of this? Mark

Here's a couple pics of mine. I just got it running last night. I got some tuning to do before I start driving it. Give me a couple more weeks.....

Looks nice Paul! Who did the powdercoat on the cover? Did you go with 650cc inj's and if so are you going to control with the MAFT or will the chip take care of injector compensation-I did see a chip, yes?Mark

sweet97 said:

Looks nice Paul! Who did the powdercoat on the cover? Did you go with 650cc inj's and if so are you going to control with the MAFT or will the chip take care of injector compensation-I did see a chip, yes?Mark

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Actually, the cover is not powdercoated. It's not even polished (I'm too lazy). I just left it alone for now. I will be ordering my 650's this week actually. I ran out of money, so I have to wait. I'm not going to drive the car until I get them. I do have an old-school TMO chip, but I dont think it's going to do me any good for injector compensation. Im going to see how good of a tune I can get with just the MAFT. If I not happy with it, I'll throw an AFC in there..... I still waiting for my new Palm for my logger and my injectors and then she'll be on the road.

AFC will cause the same issue as the MAFT, high timing. Look nto www.dsmchips.com if you have a socketed ECU. You will get a lot for $115. Mark

AFC will cause the same issue as the MAFT, high timing

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I run a MAFT on my 1G with Delphi 720's and it runs fine without my old chip. The MAFT has a base adjustment for injector compinsation. You could get the chip and just zero out your MAFT. I've done both. Timing around the 20-21° area. So it works fine with or without a chip if you have a MAFT imo.

my_gst95 said:

I run a MAFT on my 1G with Delphi 720's and it runs fine without my old chip. The MAFT has a base adjustment for injector compinsation. You could get the chip and just zero out your MAFT. I've done both. Timing around the 20-21° area. So it works fine with or without a chip if you have a MAFT imo.

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The Translator does the exact same thing that the AFC does, modifies the airflow signal. Regardless of which one you use, running large injectors will cause you to run into very high timing #'s at part throttle, and that makes for fun driving coming off a dead stop.

Can someone tell me if their turbo is similar to mine, and what turbo they have, how come the t04b v-trim's have different compressor cover? What size turbine wheel do these turbo's have, mine had some numbers written, but couldn't make out what it was.

well were did u buy yours and what were the specs? by the picture i can tell its a t04e compressor housing, the bigger one compared to the smaller to4b housing vtrim turbo, u have a bullseye turbine housing there with probaby a stage 5 turbine wheel, thats what they mostly use with there housing, to4b vtrim also comes with stage 5 turbine wheel, u probably have a 60 trim or there h3 compressor wheel in that turbo of yours, cause they built it with the bigger to4e housing

Some are Garrett covers and some are aftermarket, we order what ever is available at the time. You really need to get that "Whatever that is" off the intake of your turbo. Please use a cone filter, what you have there will only lead to slow spool up, inefficiency or turbo failure.

Dave this is a friends car, i will pass on your messege, mine has a dejon tool 3" intake. But his car spools up great, how would this filter make spool up slower? His turbo spools like 200 rpm's faster than mine, both running maft and same exact mods, exact same turbo as well. Just wanted to know about the covers because we both ordered t04b v-trims and they look a bit different. Thanks

Thats a picture of a T04E cover and you have a T04B, right? Anything restrictive or too close to the compressor blades will cause the turbo to underperform. It also looks like an accident waiting to happen. Here's some pics of the two covers.

Garrett sure is ugly, dont you think? We just purchased a Vibratory Tumbler so we will likely start sending out nice shiney covers soon. We are also playing around with some polishing as well. The Holset picture is out of the Vibratory.

We may have our first official V-trim Turbo Challenge winner. I will pass on all pertinent information as soon as I receive it.

So my friends, the pic i posted is the cover of an E? . Dave, can you tell me more about the wheels i have on my v-trim, and what are the difference between the B and E? Thank you

The E is one inch larger in diameter than the B cover. All of our Garrett turbos use a 76 trim turbine wheel. There are several different versions and I have posted pictures earlier in this thread. There is a clipped and non clipped version, both of which are good for 500+ HP. The unclipped version has less pitch to the blades and the Gen III sports an 8 degree clip.

redrkt said:

This thread isn't that old, but it does seem like it lacks the amount of useful info you would expect for it being so long. So, it's OK for the Vendor to come in this thread and hype up his product and directly offer special pricing to people to promote this turbo and other products he sells that aren't even related to this discussion, but someone who gives a simple truthfull rundown of the vendors history is out of line?

Originally this thread was about the v-trim compared to a 16g. Nazthugs dyno of 298hp on pumpgas and 18psi w/ his mods is pretty good imho. Dsmlink is an excellent tuning tool. Did you ever dyno or run with the 16g before you got the v-trim? What mods did you have when you ran the 16g?

I ran 110mph consistently in the 1/4 mile last year on pump gas with a small 16g @ ~21 psi, 650's, 2g maf, afc, FMIC, and a bone stock 120k engine. The car weighed ~3070 lbs with me in it. My best pump ET was 12.44 @110. With race gas my best was 11.98 @115. This works out to ~310-320whp on pump and ~350-360whp on race gas, which seems pretty consistent with dyno graphs i've seen of 16g cars running similar times/MPH.

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I pretty much agree - this thread has not produced much technical information as of late for being almost 50 pages long. It's going off topic left and right. If anyone who has installed this turbo on their car wants to write a review about it, please feel free to post it in our Parts Feedback/Review section in the Tech Guide:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=47

I'll go ahead and close this and allow real feedback on the product to be posted there.