what happens on 26psi and 100 direct port wet shot

Black95TSIawd · Feb 13, 2005

26psi on an sbr GT-13 and 100 shot, spinning through fourth. If any of you kno what youre looking at, its an eagle rod. Talk about ownage! :evilgrin: Car was tuned right with a 12.0 a/f ratio and no knock. Too much power i guess. OMG

ps. its not my car, a friends.

Goobdog · Feb 14, 2005

Cant wait to see how my Eagles hold up to a 57 trim and a 200 shot

, I have a feeling im gonna be having some pictures like these.

Dudeman · Feb 14, 2005

Goobdog said:
Cant wait to see how my Eagles hold up to a 57 trim and a 200 shot , I have a feeling im gonna be having some pictures like these.

Got the H-Beams in the 2.4 and they will see hell as well. I'm now all paranoid, although I think that was just from a faulty rod.

97TSIAWD · Feb 14, 2005

Dudeman said:
Got the H-Beams in the 2.4 and they will see hell as well. I'm now all paranoid, although I think that was just from a faulty rod.

He also said that they already had some miles on them. I'm looking at this devistation with amazement. I mean I've seen engines fall apart before but on the downward stroke just blowing it out the side. I didn't get a good look at the piston top in the picture, it looked like it had some black burnt to the top, but if you had a severe knock issue you would have been able to hear it. Do you think you had a nitrous pop or anything on that side of the equation? I mean if it was tuned properly and you saw no knock, and didn't hear it, I'm surprised it let go as hard as it did. I've snapped a rod before, but not like this. Good luck with it and the rebuild. Let us know what your prognosis of it was. :thumb:

rdrkt · Feb 14, 2005

Black95TSIawd said:
you do know what an SBR GT13 is right? A turbo that leon rietman has gone 137mph traps in.

Oh you mean the same compressor wheel that I made 500hp on pump gas with? Yeah I know thanks.

Black95TSIawd said:
Now add maybe 150whp to that.

Dont you wish :laugh: Do you have any idea what goes into 150mph traps? Or 700hp dyno charts?

Black95TSIawd said:
This guys head is untouched. rod broke on downstroke

Cylinder pressure would push a rod which way? Down right?

Black95TSIawd said:
DSMlink read no knock

DSM link showed no knock on previous runs. The one major fault with running a DSM link on the bottle would be no cap on timing you just feed it whatever it gives you +x. All it would take is a boost spike or a few extra degrees in timing for you to run into some pretty ugly issues.

rdrkt · Feb 14, 2005

prostreetdsmx1 said:
hahahaha so funny that people talk about how the owner doesn't know shit, if you guys only knew who owns/built the car. :laugh:

Would it make a difference if god built it? You sound like a fan boy. Keep that to yourself. VERY few people make enough power to make a rod fail.

rdrkt · Feb 14, 2005

ForceFedRed said:
Yeah, its mine.

Sucks man. At least the rebuild shouldnt be THAT expensive for you. It sounds like your turbo and head are still intact. Maybe you can even do something exciting like 2.3 or 2.4.

ForceFedRed said:
It was making some good power, it was slipping my skinny hard 215/45/17s on the cold roads in 4th gear, never did that before.

Have you ever had it on the dyno or at the track with this setup?

ForceFedRed said:
My passenger was scrambling to get to the back seat, he thought he was going to lose his legs because the flywheel was coming through the firewall.

Fortunately/unfortunately he wouldnt have enough time to think about it before it happened. Do you have a scatter shield in that car? 150 bucks is cheap insurance against that and you have to pull the tranny anyway.

telly699 · Feb 14, 2005

Those pictures are blowing my mind too. I would love to actually see those pieces.

TooSlowGSX92 · Feb 14, 2005

can i have whats left of that rod to add to my "wall of shame" in my garage?

ive got lots of broken pieces of DSMs there. Including a shattered 1G big that came from a bad motor in a shell i bought.

Good luck with the rebuild man.

Batty200 · Feb 14, 2005

Chances are that rod was weakened from prior knock or detonation and just let go now. I have seen it happen many times before. If that car EVER had serious detonation on that rod it was weakened. Since it was a fresh rebuild with old rods I assume he blew it up before. Once a rod bends (doesnt have to be visible to the eye) it is weaker and will just continue to get even weaker till it POPS. Sorry that it happened to ya Jesse since I was anxious to see the car run this spring. Maybe it will still run this spring but I know rebuilds hurt the wallet.

Also just remeber one thing:
A 100 shot will add 500+ lb/trq at 1000 rpm and at 2600 will still add 220+ trq so if he was making max torque (Assume maybe 400lbft} and sprayed it a little early add another 200+lb torque on the rod and that could def fold it in half. I would say anyone running N20 should use better than Eagle rods.

Later

Black95TSIawd · Feb 14, 2005

Batty200 said:
Since it was a fresh rebuild with old rods I assume he blew it up before.
Later

No. He had to take the block apart due to headgasket issues. It came all apart in order to deck the block. The owner of the car is very smart and i've known him maybe 2 years now. I do agree with you though on using something stronger then eagle rods on nitrous.

Black95TSIawd · Feb 14, 2005

oh and i believe he trapped 120 on pump on the same setup minus racegas and a 100 shot. someone correct me if i'm wrong on the trap speed.

rdrkt · Feb 14, 2005

Black95TSIawd said:
No. He had to take the block apart due to headgasket issues.

And why do you usually have headgasket issues? Its either because you overheated the car or had detonation issues.

saw wave analog · Feb 14, 2005

maybe a better question is why are you being such a boner about it?

you sound pretty desparate to convince us that you are right

calm down dude, he knows what he is doing obviously.. anyone can blow a motor. ive gotten stuff that was bad from the factory before, it happens. no need to be a wad and start dictating what it you think it obviously was.

tact.. get some :thumb:

rdrkt · Feb 14, 2005

saw wave analog said:
maybe a better question is why are you being such a boner about it?

The one poster in this thread tried to say that ForceFedRed was making 150 more hp than Leon Reitman and that is why he bent the Eagles. Thats not true. I just hate misinformation.

saw wave analog said:
you sound pretty desparate to convince us that you are right

Am I really desparate am I even desperate? No. I am trying to prove a point.

saw wave analog said:
tact.. get some

tact? Am I really not being proper or appropriate to the guy who lost a motor? No I feel bad for him he seems like a good guy that is pretty knowledgeable. Its just the people buzzing around the thread that I have a problem with.

Here is a tip for you. When you misuse big words it makes you sound stupid not intelligent like you were going for. Learn what words mean before you use them in a sentence :thumb:

Black95TSIawd · Feb 14, 2005

rdrkt said:
The one poster in this thread tried to say that ForceFedRed was making 150 more hp than Leon Reitman and that is why he bent the Eagles. Thats not true. I just hate misinformation.

i brought up Leon just as a prime example of what this turbo can do and not to bring him down or anything negative to that nature. 100 wet shot on a turbo car can produce about 150 wheel horse power.(based on certain criteria so give or take 20 to 30whp) My bad, your fault. I had no intention of misinformation.

saw wave analog · Feb 14, 2005

you sure put a lot of time into that reply, adding the links and all. you can hate misinformation all you want, just dont be a wad. thats all i ask.

jumping on a misspelling=wad

busting out dictionary.com over what you call a big word (its 4 letters)=wad

busting out dictionary.com when i used the word correctly=megawad

"Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending"

now, maybe the next time you feel like hating misinformation, you should click your dictonary link, study what it says, then post. line by line rebuttals written in a condescending tone are no ones friend.

anyway, your own words will continue to say more about you than i ever could, so carry on i suppose.

GoFastTSI · Feb 14, 2005

Another problem with threads such as this, is that the misinformed masses (i.e. all the tools replying with ridiculous non-sense) will now spout out to all their friends about how flimsy and weak Eagle rods are. This is a case of detonation at some point which caused the rod to fail. It looks like a classic case of it, not manufacture defect. When you spray a 100 shot onto 26psi, you have better have everything right and hope there are no gremlins at that moment. It's like playing russian roullette, one time that bullet will bite you. Now, back to our regularly scheduled ricer banter.

GoFastTSI · Feb 14, 2005

saw wave analog said:
you sure put a lot of time into that reply, adding the links and all. you can hate misinformation all you want, just dont be a wad. thats all i ask.

jumping on a misspelling=wad

busting out dictionary.com over what you call a big word (its 4 letters)=wad

busting out dictionary.com when i used the word correctly=megawad

"Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending"

now, maybe the next time you feel like hating misinformation, you should click your dictonary link, study what it says, then post.

anyway, your own words will continue to say more about you than i ever could, so carry on i suppose

That really added to the thread. Take it elsewhere.

saw wave analog · Feb 14, 2005

you are both probably right. the chances of it being a factory mistake vs. detonation at some point arent that great. all im asking for is some respect for your fellow man. this forum has too much douchebaggery on it, be it rice or cocky bastards.

leet · Feb 14, 2005

Wow, that's a hell of a break.. OMG

Only other connecting rod's I've seen snap like that were about 6 times bigger.

When the verdict is in on what exactly happened, do let us know.

Let's keep this civil, Gentlemen.

DMS-WhiteGSX · Feb 14, 2005

rdrkt said:
And why do you usually have headgasket issues? Its either because you overheated the car or had detonation issues.

When the block was built the first time it was never decked right. The first time he took the engine apart because it was blowing coolant, we noticed it had some weird machining grooves, which apparently were never noticed the first time the car went back together. My guess is they caused the cometic head gasket to not sit right. That what I gathered from Jesse.

It is kinda shitty that he never got it to the track how it was before it blew up, I know he did run an 11 something at 122.74 on the setup.

ForceFedRed · Feb 14, 2005

Well, after reviewing the parts again, and getting about half a dozen other opinions from people more knowledgable than me of what may have went wrong, I will go on a limb and say it was not detonation. Most likely not a bad rod either, I'm going to have to say it was weakened previously by any number of things, and just let go now. Here is a little history. The engine was built and assembled by someone else the first time, the block deck had proven to be too rough to seal a metal HG at 22psi and again no detonation, it would just push coolant. I decided to remove the engine to have this addressed, also installed new bearings and piston rings (noticing that all 4 second rings, along with the oil ring expanders were installed upside down). Car was a completely different beast, ran great.

rdrkt, Never had it at the track like this, or on a dyno. A scattershield along with a 2.4 is going back into it, may be a while. Dsmlink will disable the nitrous and turn the CEL on at my setting of 2degs of retard, though this may not have been enough to save it if detonation is present, there are safeguards with dsmlink.

Batty, thanks for the kind words, I deffinately have to agree and say the rod was weakened somehow previously, most likely once when I wasn't logging and never knew it. Even a rust spot from the thing sitting in my garage for a few months while apart could cause a stress riser that would result in this.
I feel if this was the case, it was only a matter of time anyway. I also agree that eagles shouldnt be used with nitrous, it wasnt in the plans when the engine was purchased, I will not use them in a nitrous engine again. We'll have to get together sometime so you can take a look at these parts and draw your own conclusion on this failure.

I am not discrediting eagle rods, they did their job, I just have to get better at doing mine.

JRM

Batty200 · Feb 14, 2005

ForceFedRed said:
Well, after reviewing the parts again, and getting about half a dozen other opinions from people more knowledgable than me of what may have went wrong, I will go on a limb and say it was not detonation. Most likely not a bad rod either, I'm going to have to say it was weakened previously by any number of things, and just let go now. Here is a little history. The engine was built and assembled by someone else the first time, the block deck had proven to be too rough to seal a metal HG at 22psi and again no detonation, it would just push coolant. I decided to remove the engine to have this addressed, also installed new bearings and piston rings (noticing that all 4 second rings, along with the oil ring expanders were installed upside down). Car was a completely different beast, ran great.

rdrkt, Never had it at the track like this, or on a dyno. A scattershield along with a 2.4 is going back into it, may be a while. Dsmlink will disable the nitrous and turn the CEL on at my setting of 2degs of retard, though this may not have been enough to save it if detonation is present, there are safeguards with dsmlink.

Batty, thanks for the kind words, I deffinately have to agree and say the rod was weakened somehow previously, most likely once when I wasn't logging and never knew it. Even a rust spot from the thing sitting in my garage for a few months while apart could cause a stress riser that would result in this.
I feel if this was the case, it was only a matter of time anyway. I also agree that eagles shouldnt be used with nitrous, it wasnt in the plans when the engine was purchased, I will not use them in a nitrous engine again. We'll have to get together sometime so you can take a look at these parts and draw your own conclusion on this failure.

I am not discrediting eagle rods, they did their job, I just have to get better at doing mine.

JRM

Good Post

I think the 2.4 will be a good setup for ya Jesse as I would be doing one myself except for the money I would have spent there has to go to my new business.

I dont think RDRKT had a problem with you ever but all the fanboys who just jump on anything like this and start throwing bs around. I was considering selling my crowers for some eagles plus cash for my new motor in my GSX but I was thinking N20 in the future and I think the crowers will hold together better (they are twice as expensive and prob twice the weight so I am not downing eagles).

Later

Later

ForceFedRed · Feb 14, 2005

Batty200 said:
Good Post

I think the 2.4 will be a good setup for ya Jesse as I would be doing one myself except for the money I would have spent there has to go to my new business.

I dont think RDRKT had a problem with you ever but all the fanboys who just jump on anything like this and start throwing bs around. I was considering selling my crowers for some eagles plus cash for my new motor in my GSX but I was thinking N20 in the future and I think the crowers will hold together better (they are twice as expensive and prob twice the weight so I am not downing eagles).

Later

Later

Yeah, I'm excited. I'm even more excited that the head is ok. No worries from RDRKT, if I were him, I would act the same way. I'll trade you 3 eagles and some cash for the crowers, I'd get them checked though.

JRM

Goobdog · Feb 14, 2005

Ive already purchased the Eagles and I was just curious as your opinions to getting them cryo treated ? If I cant use these rods with nitrous I guess ill have to ditch the idea because I know if I go to sell them im gonna lose money even though they are still in the plastic wrap from the factory.

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