Has anyone tried installing one of these in their 1G/2G DSM?

How did it go?

Can you please put up some notes on how it went, what was needed, etc?

I believe that everything you need is listed on the site, and if you were going to purchase, I would double check with them, but you knew that...

I was looking into this a while ago, and came up with some thoughts:

1. If you were heavy into to DIY stuff, it would be a cool thing to do. Be the only kid on the block with one!

2. You would have to be prepared for some heavy tinkering to get it set up right. If you were prepared for that, then go for it. See #1 above.

3. It is much much more powerful then an safc, and an option to get around the large injector problem of idling and too much advance from turning large injectors way back. But, for most people,this shouldnt be a problem. An SAFC will suit most for quite a while, but, see #1 above.

4. I think if you looked at the final cost, a reburned eprom unit would be easier to set up (ie nothing to set up) and about the same cost, but, see #1 above.

That was what I came up with. If I were going to do it, it would be for reason #1, because there are easir options. It would be cool though. I just though about it driving an alcohol injection set up....
Hmmm.....

Jason

A decent number of people are starting to run Megasquirts on their Probes/MX6s. I think they're having a lot of success w/them as well. Try searching around on www.probetalk.com. You might be able to find some more info.

Since I am a mx6/probe owner I can provide some insight on the previous link. If you goto forums.probetalk.com and goto the electrical section there is a lot of info regarding the systems. The main reason we resort to this system is because we don't have a lot of options for fuel or tuning management. The SAFC doesn't work on our cars and the next option is some type of standalone system.

Currently there are several companies selling pre-assembled units and some that even have the wiring harnesses ready to go. The unit can give you full fuel and timing control for a fraction of the cost of bigger systems like AEM, Haltech, Motec etc...

The downside is it hasn't been used much (if at all) for dsm's because of the availability of the above listed systems. You would have to do some research and work to come up with your own fuel and timinng tables. Definitely a cheaper and more unique alternative if you have the time to get it all working correctly!

I was wondering if the people for the "other" alternative computers could defend their opinion. I'd say univeral application is a major point over alot of the plug and play ECUs.

First MS install in a DSM??

Thats hapened loooooooong time ago....We the turbo 2gnt people dont have something as nice as DSM link (btw i am in process of puting MS in my turbo 2.4 project...yes it was a 95 na originaly )


Guy on the 2gnt boards allready has MS running a programable map that adjusts fuel on an open loop basis relative to your preset O2 readings you want...(in other words i can set it to run rich at higher rpm/boost ...and it will auto correct the fuel tables...which is nice


He also got the stock crank to work with it ..now the MS works directly with the CAS for ignition and has built in knock retard algorithms....

If you have a 4g63t i definitively think you would be better off with a programable eprom.....

MS is great...but i feel you turbo guys have better options

ok?? :thumbdown

I've been eye-ing the megasquirt'nspark system for a while now. If I can get some extra money, I'm gonna try and wire one up and wire it in as a standalone.

Check out the features
Oh, and the system costs as much as an AFC.

Hey deisel.


I wil aslo be going to the megasquirt so they will be two of us in Nebraska with it.

How many of you guys are going to use it as a standalone? you Do realize that if you want it to control ignition, you're gonna have to convert to the Ford EDIS ignition system, and find a way to mount a 36-1 trigger wheel and reluctor sensor somewhere.

defrag010 said:

How many of you guys are going to use it as a standalone? you Do realize that if you want it to control ignition, you're gonna have to convert to the Ford EDIS ignition system, and find a way to mount a 36-1 trigger wheel and reluctor sensor somewhere.

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The 2GNT people (Lee aka MrSlicK) found a way to use the stock Chrysler Crank Positioning Sensor.

-Tahleel

yeah because the 420A has timing marks machined into the crank alraedy, and a few hardware changes on the MS board and you can use megatune in "Neon/420A" mode, which automatically decodes the crank signal.

To use on a 4g63, you have to convert to EDIS. There's no way around it..

you should check out the megasquirt forums. http://www.msefi.com. There's a thread in the MegaSquirt'n EDIS forum about some guy putting the EDIS trigger wheel on his crank pulley.

FYI

My DSM as of tonight is running MegaSquirt.

I claim first DSM on it unless someone car prove other wise.

w00t.

sorry, you're 2nd..

read the whole thread. http://www.msefi.com/viewtopic.php?t=6127&highlight=talon

How is your ignition system setup? did you use the distributor mod?

Did you make a jumper harness and just plug it into your stock harness, or did you use the MS harness and wire it yourself?

You're gonna be very helpful when I get mine installed, the guy on MSEFI hasn't responded with his basemaps or easytherm files for the stock temp seneors or anything.

I think that guys is pulling peoples legs over there or died cause he hasn't posted in awhile.

Disapointed I was second.

Right now it is fuel only. Wtill working on a way to run spark. Another local MS guy has some ideas on how to use the cam angle sensor so we'll check that option out first and go from there.

I would really like to know how we could use our stock CAS to trigger spark for these systems. I played around with megasquirt on my friend's 2nd gen probe over the weekend and was really impressed. It's a really powerful system.

oh, I hate to burst your bubble some more prez, but there are more than 50 4g63 dsm's using the MS for a fuel only.

In that thread I posted, it was discussed how the optical wheel in the DSM CAS can't be used as a trigger wheel, as it has offset slots that are used for the triggering of the two coilpacks.

Prez, you should look into the EDIS ignition system. Since the Distributor I got was a Fluke, I'm gonna be finding a way to attatch a 36-1 trigger wheel to my crank pulley and fabbing up a reluctor sensor bracket.

I've been waiting for Ever for someone else who has created ignition control with the megasquirt on a 4g63. I bet someone could get the DSM CAS to work in the "wheel decoder" menu, but it would take some code tweaking.

Megasquirt is a nice piece of electronics, but for a turbo engine, I'd have to partially agree with Defiant's description. Unless they have changed something recently, for turbocharged engines, you used to have to use a specific MAP sensor, which you could not boost over 20psi on without changing the sensor and writing/compiling your own code to make use of this new sensor. Now, maybe someone has already recompiled a bunch of different code for alternate sensors, but if not, it doesn't really seem worth it to me.

Plus, if you're not boosting over or close to 20psi, you don't need a complete stand-alone system like this!

MackZ24 said:

Plus, if you're not boosting over or close to 20psi, you don't need a complete stand-alone system like this!

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We'll see about that. Hopefully soon I can come back with confimation of a couple other neat things.

My car will see 24PSI with race gas. And they do make a 3 bar sensor with codeing for the MS that works fine.

Mack & Defrag - you guys need to do some more reading!!

The new dual wheel decoder is already supporting the exact same CAS wheel that's in your CAS. The Probe guys have eliminated their distributors, now running coilpacks, and reading hall sensors that have the same pattern as yours.

Long story short, the functionality is in the Extra code to support a stock 1G cas. Has been for a while now.

Second, who on here would NOT recommend a megasquirt for a turbo setup?!? 2 major corrections: #1 even on a 21psi map sensor, you cna go well over 30psi and have a safe tune (a 2.3 turbo Ford just ran 30 lbs of boost on his 21psi map sensor. Perfect AFRs. Please explain how this cannot be done?) and #2 there's native support for up to 400kpa map sensors. You don't have to "mod code" or "recompile." unless clicking on a drop box and selecting "400kpa" is writing code to you, using multiple map sensors with MS is a little easier than you imply here.

I started building my 40th megasquirt tonight. We're going to try to get Prez running on ignition control, using the 1G cas, this week. The only possible issue we may have is dwell control on the stock coil packs, and I am told that the latest versions of the MSNS-Extra firmware are working great with software dwell control.

Finally, if you believe the guy above about megasquirt being a bad choice for a turbo (), tell that to Parish8 - he runs one of my megasquirt units, and last time I checked, 1000 ft. lbs. of torque was a lot even by DSM standards. His truck runs *exactly* like a factory stock LS1.

Stay "tuned,"

-scott

dieselgeek> I definitely retract my previous statements then! I might drop you a PM at some point to ask some more questions about your megasquirt installs.

Sorry to bite your head off then.


Stay tuned to this thread, our mission on Prez's car is now to integrate Megasquirt fuel/spark with factory sensors...

We'll definitely let you guys know our results. Prez is a good guy who will answer questions and share MSQ files when it's up & running. We completed the first LS-1 megasquirt integration recently, and now a TON of guys on LS1tech.com are installing MS units.

in the meanwhile if you have specific questions about our plan (until we physically try this on Friday night), post up and I'll do my best to answer.

-scott

Those running the MS system for fuel only I should have a VE table tonight or tommrow to post for stock fuel on EVO III 16G... I want to see how far we can cary the stock fuel system with an EVO III 16G before I throw my upgraded fuel parts on the car. I think it should be interesting to see what we can do.

We can do a writeup, or at least a good detailed post on the board here.

I'll start making myself at home on dsmtuners.com ...

The pics I have from fuel install... nothing to important going on in them though.

I will take some pics of the wiring and box set up tonight. And tuning...

looks good