Ok, I know everyone has their own opinions on what is the best/worst of car audio. However, here are my options, and I need some input on what would be the best.

I'm looking at either getting:

2 Alpine Type R 12's
or
2 Audiobahn AW1251T 12's
or
2 Memphis PR124D 12's

So what do you all thing would be the best.... This isnt going in my eclipse, I'm putting it in my girlfriend's 4 door car.... So keep that in mind too, that its going in a 4 dr, not a 2dr. Any suggestions??

A buddy of mine had a single Type-R 12 in his car and that thing is crazy, I cant even imagine 2 of them. My vote def goes to the Alpine. BTW, hes got an Alpine amp running the sub, hes all about high quality stuff. Good luck finding the right combo.

get some rockford fosgate's they sound clear and loud.check out ebay and get a fosgate amp

jl audio w7 will do the job !=] cost like 500 bucks

the single Alpine type R 12 will hit as hard as 2 really good JL's. i is by far the best bang for your buck sub, usually circut city has the single sub and box for around 200.

but i had mine ripped off. i am now going with 2 audiobah AW1251T's and a audiobahn HC4075 amp. my freind has the same subs and a 800W kenwood and while i was tuning his amp in his truck, the bass gave me a fat stomach ache, thats how hard it was hitting. im putting mine in a big fiberglass enclosure.

look on ebay, i got those 2 1251T's for 102 including shipping. here......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38647&item=7922250455&rd=1

these are from the same guy i got mine from.

I personally don't like the sound quality of Audiobahn. Not everyones ears can hear the difference or have enough listening experience to be able to tell the difference so...

I prefer other brands but since your looking at those 3 I'll just mention the one brand I know I don't like.

When it comes to sound quality and volume the most important thing is the enclosure and vehical placement. Always review manufacturer enclosure specifications and follow them to the letter, use serious materials, and port(if you are) properly. If you buying a box don't buy a cheaper one with thin walls.

I would go with 2 10" Kicker L5's or L7's...Very VERY Loud and clean subs. Run them in both my car and my truck. Hook up a Hifonics Digital amp and start pissing off your neighbors!

Give the type R enough power like 600 w plus and youll be very very happy....but personally i'd get a type X, even just one.......but be sure to give it 1000 w and shit, that's some good bass.

The memphis will pound but i'm not sure for how long...and the audiobahn.....like stated above, not a huge fan of their quality.

Wayne

Are you looking fo SQ or SPL? I have 2 infinity perfect 12.1's and they are flawless in every way.

JL is the way to go man. You can shell out some cash & do the W7's or go with w3's. The w3's are the best bang for the buck...cheap & put out great sound!!

My vote goes to the 12" Alpine R...definately better than the mediocre JL's imho.

JL W7s are far from mediocre. I don't know about the W3s.

Gigaah said:

JL W7s are far from mediocre. I don't know about the W3s.

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Mediocre JL = not the W7. I meant something comparable to the Alpine R. The W7 stands alone as far as my .02 is worth..

Thomas91169 said:

the single Alpine type R 12 will hit as hard as 2 really good JL's. i is by far the best bang for your buck sub, usually circut city has them.........

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Give me a break, a single type R 12 being as loud as 2 JL 12s???? The W0s would put the smack down on a single type R 12, I know because I just did my buddies 2G with them and TOOK OUT his Type R 12. You just must either be stuck on Alpine because it is all you have ever had, or because you have no clue....

FutureGSXOwner said:

My vote goes to the 12" Alpine R...definately better than the mediocre JL's imho.

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I take it you have abolutely NO IDEA what you are saying. Type Rs are crap compared to a W3v.2 anyone with a pair of ears and experience with audio in general could tell you that. Hopefully you are just joking.... And don't even try to pull the, "everyone likes what they think sounds the best...." I have been doing custom car audio for 11+ years, and have sold Alpine, JL Audio the entire time! I have won more trophies with JL Audio, than any other subs. There are better subs out there. but not for under $200 a piece retail.

Not trying to be a jerk guys, but I know ALL the subs you guys are taking about, and you are DEAD wrong, period.

Oh, and I don't run only JLs in my cars, I usually run the Focal Kevlars, and Utopia subs.

Well..you are being a jerk first of all. Second of all, you aren't the only person who installs systems and has a pair of good ears. Alot of people have different opinions and prefer different sounding speakers, as you will begin to learn and tolerate upon starting the maturation process..I choose Alpine R over JL W0-W3 as previously stated. I'm sorry if that upsets you to the point of retaliation... :thumbdown

ok, type r's IMO are better for the dollar vs W3's...but the W7's are in a diff class...awesome subs...the type X's are alpine's version of that class...and id take them over the W7...the W7 will be cleaner SQ bass..while still hittin hard...but the alpine will just rape any vehichle while still hitting every note individually.

You really want bass, grab a MMATs juggernaut, some orions, trf 15", or some resonant engineering subs - check out the MT 18!!! BOOM BOOM.


It all comes down to personal opinion and preference, if you get either the alpine or the Jl you will be happy...but unless you have a few thousand dollars..grab a type R

Wayne

yeah dude no need to get all belligerent up in here. i stated the single type R 12 is the best bang for your buck. obviously it is seeing as that alot of other people are saying that too. now youre comparing 1 type R to 2 JL's. of course 2 JL's will sound better than 1 type R, but add 2 type R's, wow, i can only imagine. now stfu cause ive had alot of different systems, from kicker to MTX, to memphis, alpine and now audiobahn. and thats in different cars, had 2 kickers in the tbird, sold thost for mtx. got stolen, got 2 memphis 12's. then got rid of those for the single type R 12 after my buddy got one in his integra and blew mine away. then my type r got stolen out of my eclipse and now im going with audiobah after hearing them in my freinds truck and trying to tune the amp in the back and getting a stomache ache from the poundage. and ive always heard rumors of audiobahn being a "show only" product but my stomache sure didnt like it too much, and ive tuned lots of systems and never have gotten a stomache ache from it.

so bite me.

yeah i put 2 JL W3 12's in my girlfriends 2dr BMW with a 500/1 JL amp, and a bunch of other shit, and it gets down.... I'd like to copy what i did in her car, but dropped 4g's on all her shit, and dont have the cash at this time to flip that again. I do agree JLs do get down.
Ive heard memphis subs, im not sure what model they were, but they were loud as hell too. I was in my friend's dodge dakota, and he had the extended cab all tricked out with box, amps and subs, and we we're cruisin with the system bumpin, and someone came up and was shocked he had 2 12's....
Alpine type r's, my ex has 2 type r 10's in her eclipse with a 800 watt amp pushing them both, and those ####ers were impressive. I never heard 10s get down like those did... but that was in an eclipse also, which has something to do with it.... but still, type r's are badass....
I havent had much experience with audiobahn, but i get alot of mixed bag opinions on them.
Focal, and MMATS and all the others you all mentioned are great too, ive heard all them, and had a pair of MMATS actually a few yrs ago.
Bottom line, everyone has their own opionions on whats good, and what sucks balls. Everyone hears things different, and has their likes and dislikes about everything out there. No one will ever 100% agree on everything on this. I do appreciate all your input though... it's nice to get a good view of overall opinion on this.
I decided to give the type-r's a shot, doing 2 12s with 2 seperate amps pushing on them with a power cap. We'll see how that goes... there's always time to change and do things differently...
Thanks you all for all your opinions and thoughts on this.

I thought I might add a few things in here. Good choice on going with the Type R's.

"tuning" a system is more than just turning up the bass to where it hurts your stomach. "tuning" involves getting the flattest response out of the complete chain of components so that they blend with each other and provide adequate imaging. otherwise, you're just turning up the gain on the amp so that the bass is louder.

The vehicle plays the most important role ever in subwoofer performance. A 10" sub in a hatch can be louder than a pair of 12's in a trunk, or even a pair of 15's in a single cab truck.
Point being, a w3 will slaughter a type R in spl, but the type R will have the edge on accuracy. Audiobahns get loud and just sound like a fart, while the w7 will dominate the type X on SQ.
It's an ongoing joke with all of the Audio Gurus about how quiet the Type R's are. If someone asked about say a pyramid sub, an Audio guru would say something along the lines of "Well, at least it's louder than a Type R". :laugh:

Different people have different opinions on subs. If you're not focused on tuning the whole aspect of a stereo, rather than just the subs, then you can't say you have a trained ear. You have to be able to decipher the affect that different components of a system have an affect on the timbre and balance of the system.

As far as comparing subs, I would listen to the people who have been dealing with audio for years. They usually have a good ear for sound, and will tell you how subs perform within the spectrum of audio. It's kind of funny to get on here and hear people talking about type R's being louder than w3's, when the facutal part of that is false. Just owning lots of brands doesn't make you an audio wiseman. I'd listen to people like mackzero, because he's basically speaking the thoughts of all the audio gurus reading this.

also, you get what you pay for. Two audiobahn subs for 102$ shipped to your door just reaks of quality. :laugh:

Just some food for thought.

Pinknuggit, thanks for the vote of confidence. I appreciate it.

I should not have come across as such an ass, but I have been doing this for quite a while, I built my first show/competition system when I was 16 years old. The equipment alone was close to $8K. FYI, I used Alpine electronics, Infinity Kappa speakers and Rockford sub amps with Kicker Solobaric 12s (The first ones

I have done countless systems with Type Rs and with W3s, W6s, and W7s, etc. The main reason the JLs perform so much better is that they are A LOT more efficient. That is why people think the type Rs are "quiet" like stated above. Generally speaking though, a JL sub will out perform an Alpine Type R hands down on most applications. CLARITY wise it is more a matter of tuning and enclosure design, amplifiers used, etc.

If you want some words of advice, don't put single amps on each sub, as 95% of people can not match the output of the subs very well to each other. Also, MOST vehicles charging systems can NOT support the needs of higher powered systems, reguardless of the use of a capicator.

I am an SQ guy that can do SPL if need be. My Yukon hit 162.8 with (4) 15W3s and (4) Memphis 1000Ds. But the last car I did with Utopias and Phoenix Gold amps scored very very well in SQplus competition and took first place.

Again, sorry for pissing some of you off, but there are certain things that us professional installers, especially guys that deal in higher end equipment, take a little too much to heart. That is people stating facts or opinions that we know are B.S. anyway you look at it. If some of you guys are stuck so much on Alpine than so be it, but don't tell someone with A LOT more experience to STFU because they hurt you feelings. Ignorance isn't always bliss, sometimes you get called out by guys that know what's up.

yeah but not everyone here has 2g's to drop on a system all at once. most of us buy the system in parts and piece it together by hearing other peoples systems and how theirs sounds.

and whats the price difference between the type R and the JL speaker of its same class? i bought my 1 typeR and box for 200 from circut city(i know, ripoff, but i had to finance it im such a poor ass) and their 2 JL's and box were like 400 something. and if youre comparing 1 typeR to 2 jl's then i would think the type r is the best bang for the buck if its alone being compared to 2 subs of equal power.

yeh, i love jl they make great shit, they know what there doing, and they've been at the top for many many years....but unless your rich, i would say the boom for your buck has to be alpine.

Rockfords old shit was insane, now they sold out and all you pay for is the name, and it sucks now too....but a brand i've been hearing alot about is resonant engineering and ill be purchasing a pair of MT 12's or one 15' to replace my clarion/kenwood/MTX system (very low budget...but pounds!...got it all for 500$ CAD and that a 15 pushin 500w with a nice clarion deck) . look them up...some nice tech going into those...but i havent been an audio guru for 10 years...so dont listen to me

J/k guys...I LOVE EVERYONE!!! haha

Check out those mt's...dual or quad voice coil options at like any ohm configuration youd like, with quad progressive spider options...I dont think they've found a Peak power handling on them yet ...AND there not way over priced...you could get a 15MT for around 500$

Why are we talking about JL's or any other brand other than the first 3 stated? The question was about those 3 not anything else. Please try to stay on topic and not jack his thread .

Theres no way you can compare a JL W7 to a Type R. Type R isnt even that impressive. Its not that special of a speaker. If you want the most bang for your buck, with awesome performance, go with 2 12" Rockford Fosgate HX2's, (dual 4ohm voicecoils on each), so youd be running a 1ohm load, perfect amp for that combo is the Hifonics Brutus BX1000D, ive never had it overheat on me, NOT ONCE, and awesome performance. You can get the 2 HX2's, with a 3/4" box for 244, and the amp for 205 ( not including shipping ) from www-soniceletronix-com on ebay.

I suppose it would be better to ask how much $$$ you want to spend on your system. Give me a # and if you are indeed stuck on Alpine for subs, let me know what amps you are considering, that will be almost more important than the woofer choice. Not even Type Rs sound good with a crappy amp pushing them. I will give you the best advise I can for the equipment you want, how bout that?

Also, what music do you listen too, that makes a huge difference in speaker/amplifer choice.