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That's a good question. I totally forgot about that.I just wanna know what happened to the deer leg? Hehe.
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That's a good question. I totally forgot about that.I just wanna know what happened to the deer leg? Hehe.
That is too bad. But that's just how it was always going to play out given the private nature of the group. It's unfortunate.But I do know that NABR’s private section was *the* engine of DSM innovation for a big chunk of time, and that almost none of that discussion ever made it to the public sections. Losing that history is a tremendous loss.
What sort of real discussions went on in there? I mean was there every detail on sheps run into the 7's? Sharing his tuneups, every aspect of the car, and things like that?> I just wanna know what happened to the deer leg?
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I haven’t thought of that in a *long* time!
That depended on the personalities involved.What sort of real discussions went on in there? I mean was there every detail on sheps run into the 7's? Sharing his tuneups, every aspect of the car, and things like that?
I think what he was getting at is that it was a near strictly tech forum without the fluff that tuners has. A quick refresh of the home page right now and the most recent threads (this one aside) are pretty basic (and well covered and/or easily diagnosed) topics. You don't see boostin, aaron gregory, or any of the other big dogs on here posting their tech information and thats more of what it was. Sure there's plenty of intelligent people here but when it comes to pushing the platform beyond it's current performance level you don't get that information on here.Yeah, it was just the greatest forum ever and literally no one else has broken any of the records held by anyone on there, and no one is as cool as those who were privileged and alpha enough to be there. And man you weren’t even technically alive and not a single forum anywhere else had even a single tech except that one. Yuge. Bigly.
There. End of thread. We can move on now right?
I think what he was getting at is that it was a near strictly tech forum without the fluff that tuners has. A quick refresh of the home page right now and the most recent threads (this one aside) are pretty basic (and well covered and/or easily diagnosed) topics. You don't see boostin, aaron gregory, or any of the other big dogs on here posting their tech information and thats more of what it was. Sure there's plenty of intelligent people here but when it comes to pushing the platform beyond it's current performance level you don't get that information on here.
You must not know who Dennis Grant is then and the plethora of information he's released to us via here, NABR, and his website farnorthracing? He's definitely none of what you described above.Might've been part of the message, but not the whole message. The whole message was essentially "we are better than everyone, and super chads because we had big dogs there, and no one else can touch us because we were all chads, every other forum sucks and none compare, our information was super duper ultra top secret stuff, u jelly".
No argument from me regarding most recent thread topics, but to play devils advocate...at least we have new topics being posted. What's being posted on NABR right now, again?
Full disclosure, I was 100% a DSMTalk guy and constantly hated on DSMtuners(or toon-town as I coined it). Thought it was a bunch of hand-holding pansies and disinformation everywhere, and PROPER forums beat the living crap out of you because MAN STUFF, BRO.
Older me has definitely moved on from that mindset and doesn't mind the more laid back/hand-holding aspects. The thing about 'Talk and NABR type sites is if you aren't in the "club", you never will be. It's like nobility vs peasants. Great if you're nobility, pretty damn bad if you're peasant and very VERY rarely could a peasant become nobility. Rose colored glasses and all that.
No argument from me regarding most recent thread topics, but to play devils advocate...at least we have new topics being posted. What's being posted on NABR right now, again?
You rarely see that in any one place anymore. Most of the recognized names don't participate in forums, groups, or any online communities very much at all, and if they do, they tend to have a pretty curated network of friends - and some do so more for business/PR reasons, not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's just different today than it was 10-15 years ago.You don't see boostin, aaron gregory, or any of the other big dogs on here posting their tech information and thats more of what it was. Sure there's plenty of intelligent people here but when it comes to pushing the platform beyond it's current performance level you don't get that information on here.
Invite them in here to discuss it. I've invited people in here countless times. If they don't want to be part of one of the last dedicated online DSM communities, what can we do? I've gone out of my way to get feedback from some of the well known DSMers over the years in hopes of getting them more involved here. Some people have their small circles and it doesn't matter how much you do to try and bring them in to a community like this, they simply want to stick to their circles.where's all the information about RDV2, aarons car, or any of other contenders?
That's the paradox about it, isn't it? It couldn't ever be fully appreciated because of its nature and how it was run. So much secrecy and restrictions that the greatness could never really be shared with the common folks.All this to say - NABR was a hugely important, greatly under appreciated part of DSM history.
You know what Dennis, for all of the nasty attitudes and trolling I had to deal with here over the years back then by people who used to frequent that forum (some of them later apologized funny enough) I’d like to sincerely thank you for your contributions here. You’ve always been genuine and put out some great info here. I think that says a lot about your character. It’s much appreciated. To this day there are people who don’t openly share info in forums like this. Thank you.>It couldn’t ever be fully appreciated because of its nature and how it was run.
Which is why I felt the need to eulogize it - it’s time this history is better known.
That's something I never understood, people not sharing ideas and solutions as if those concepts will somehow become watered down or taken for granted. That's how we advance as a community, is it not, to share something new we came up with or learned? Don't ask me about my favorite fishing spots though. Not telling you.You know what Dennis, for all of the nasty attitudes and trolling I had to deal with here over the years back then by people who used to frequent that forum (some of them later apologized funny enough) I’d like to sincerely thank you for your contributions here. You’ve always been genuine and put out some great info here. I think that says a lot about your character. It’s much appreciated. To this day there are people who don’t openly share info in forums like this. Thank you.
Because it's all out there. There's basically nothing new. Any thought or idea can be searched and found on here or the dsmlink forum. Anything new is from someone that's been messing with the platform for 20 years, nearly daily, read thousands of hours on the forum, and are at the point of feeling like a MMA fighter watching a WWE match when it comes to reading a tech thread on here. There's a big divergence between those people and the average car guy in his early 20s. That is why they don't participate or bother explaining the same thing over and over, only to be ignored or contested. It's boring, unrewarding, and you feel dumber for doing it.That's something I never understood, people not sharing ideas and solutions as if those concepts will somehow become watered down or taken for granted. That's how we advance as a community, is it not, to share something new we came up with or learned? Don't ask me about my favorite fishing spots though. Not telling you.
You sound like the curmudgeon I feel like I’ve become at times. But you’re not wrong and I get what you’re saying.Because it's all out there. There's basically nothing new. Any thought or idea can be searched and found on here or the dsmlink forum. Anything new is from someone that's been messing with the platform for 20 years, nearly daily, read thousands of hours on the forum, and are at the point of feeling like a MMA fighter watching a WWE match when it comes to reading a tech thread on here. There's a big divergence between those people and the average car guy in his early 20s. That is why they don't participate or bother explaining the same thing over and over, only to be ignored or contested. It's boring, unrewarding, and you feel dumber for doing it.
As the years go by it gets even worse. Not necessarily this platform, but just in general. You can now go get a new car, put your intake/exhaust/tune on it, make 600 hp like it's nothing, and suddenly the owner is a 'car guy' that other dudes flock to like they're local celebrities. Going to a car show or meet in a parking lot and talking with these people is f***ing impossible, and they're everywhere and growing by the year.
I wasn't trying to take a jab at tuners by any stretch if my post came off that way. My OG account is from 2004, never had a talk account and I've always been here because it had the best atmosphere. I just know that there was a place for NABR back then and a reason for its existence and that was to keep the fluff out. I dont expect any of these guys to come out and post their experiences, the drag community is too closed door and I don't see that ever changing. I personally couldn't care about the information anymore, I've pioneered the way through various other swaps/parts/platforms and have no problem diving in head first. I'm just here for the community still, and I have 7 4g powered cars that need partsYou rarely see that in any one place anymore. Most of the recognized names don't participate in forums, groups, or any online communities very much at all, and if they do, they tend to have a pretty curated network of friends - and some do so more for business/PR reasons, not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's just different today than it was 10-15 years ago.
We've still got several fast guys in here who help out quite a bit. Maybe they're not record holders, maybe they are. Regardless, they're damn cool people for spending time in here in my book.
Invite them in here to discuss it. I've invited people in here countless times. If they don't want to be part of one of the last dedicated online DSM communities, what can we do? I've gone out of my way to get feedback from some of the well known DSMers over the years in hopes of getting them more involved here. Some people have their small circles and it doesn't matter how much you do to try and bring them in to a community like this, they simply want to stick to their circles.
What can you?
That's the paradox about it, isn't it? It couldn't ever be fully appreciated because of its nature and how it was run. So much secrecy and restrictions that the greatness could never really be shared with the common folks.
Even now, the idea of sharing that data, even in read-only form, with the masses would never even be considered. Much of it probably revolves around older subjects and solutions, but I'd venture to guess it could be useful. Oh well.
No, I didn't take it that way. But I did want to give appreciation to the experienced people who do participate here. Appreciate you sticking around too.I wasn't trying to take a jab at tuners by any stretch if my post came off that way. My OG account is from 2004, never had a talk account and I've always been here because it had the best atmosphere. I just know that there was a place for NABR back then and a reason for its existence and that was to keep the fluff out. I dont expect any of these guys to come out and post their experiences, the drag community is too closed door and I don't see that ever changing. I personally couldn't care about the information anymore, I've pioneered the way through various other swaps/parts/platforms and have no problem diving in head first. I'm just here for the community still, and I have 7 4g powered cars that need parts
It's people like you that made that forum toxic.. middle aged keyboard warriors who thought it was boot camp and that they were drill sergeants or something. I was there before natter died and stopped visiting altogether when activity slowed down on the site and the random junk box got lost in the mail. Posted just enough to stay off the radar for when they'd go through and ban everybody who hadn't posted in a specific amount of time. Private section was good but I learned just as much from hanging out with BJ when he was building Shep's engines. Again, it was nothing ground breaking.. stuff that fast drag racers had already been doing but just the first time anyone was trying it with the DSM platform.> It's honestly super cringe
Not as “cringe” as a grown-ass man trying to use the kid’s TikTok slang to, what, seem younger? More relevant?
And you necro-threaded a two year old thread (and ended a decade long post hiatus) to throw shade?
Seriously?
Here’s an age-appropriate word for this behaviour: “pathetic”.
> Oh JFC, it was just a damn private circle jerk
At least this post served as a useful example as to why NABR’s private section was kept private.
Those that know, know. Those that don’t, hate.
You've done nothing dsm related to be proud of, you can quit the passive agressive bs now. /thread.Yeah, it was just the greatest forum ever and literally no one else has broken any of the records held by anyone on there, and no one is as cool as those who were privileged and alpha enough to be there. And man you weren’t even technically alive and not a single forum anywhere else had even a single tech except that one. Yuge. Bigly.
There. End of thread. We can move on now right?
point to the spot on this doll where the forum hurt you. I might not have ever seen a more ridculous statement, calling DG toxic. .It's people like you that made that forum toxic.. middle aged keyboard warriors who thought it was boot camp and that they were drill sergeants or something. I was there before natter died and stopped visiting altogether when activity slowed down on the site and the random junk box got lost in the mail. Posted just enough to stay off the radar for when they'd go through and ban everybody who hadn't posted in a specific amount of time. Private section was good but I learned just as much from hanging out with BJ when he was building Shep's engines. Again, it was nothing ground breaking.. stuff that fast drag racers had already been doing but just the first time anyone was trying it with the DSM platform.
For the normal members without the egos or personality disorders, we saw it for what it was: a toxic GOB den to lurk and stay up to date with what was going on in the DSM world. Nothing more.
I was google searching out of curiosity to see if there were any remnants of nabr left on the internet and this was the first thing that came up.. you glorifying it like it was Skunk Works. And I just had to remember my password so I could reply to how ridiculous your rendition of that site was and make sure people knew what was actually like.