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New Product release! DSM brake brackets (3000GT brake swap)

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We're happy to deliver the long awaited VMC brake brackets to fit 3000gt/Stealth brakes on any DSM. These are made to fit with 1G (1991-1993) Mitsubishi 3KGT or Dodge Stealth 4-pot calipers and rotors.
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They feature black anodizing and steel thread inserts. Hardware included as well. These will fit: Any 1G DSM, 2G DSM, or 91-92 Galant VR-4.

We're taking orders now and will begin shipping on Monday the 28th.
Order here ----> https://volkmetalcraft.com/product/dsm-brake-brackets-3000gt-brake-swap/


For info on the swap, see this DSMtuners tech article: https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/3000gt-brake-upgrade.523582/#post-153727263

A special thanks to Brett Adams (@GST with PSI) for helping with the development and testing of these brackets.

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Very nice, I was hoping that is what you'd say. I looked at your site the other day and it appears you guys are making some really nice stuff. This may be a little off topic, but I know that a 2g rear subframe/axles are needed to turn a dodge colt into an AWD car..... I assume that you could use the one you sell instead of trying to find an oem subframe to make the swap "easier"?
 
Very nice, I was hoping that is what you'd say. I looked at your site the other day and it appears you guys are making some really nice stuff. This may be a little off topic, but I know that a 2g rear subframe/axles are needed to turn a dodge colt into an AWD car..... I assume that you could use the one you sell instead of trying to find an oem subframe to make the swap "easier"?
I'm not too familiar with AWD swapping CSM's. The few that I've seen were adapted to run 1G DSM rear subframes/suspensions. Are guys also using the 2G DSm rear stuff as well?

I can't say it would be any different in regards to ease, but certainly lighter, stronger, and cleaner. :)
 
I could be mistaken. I thought they used 2g rear frames for this..... maybe someone that has done it or knows more about it can help. I have a near perfect condition 89 colt GT that still is up in the air as what I will do with it. I know fully built fwd car is the kind that tries to switch 3 lanes when boost comes on from torque steer. Of course an LSD can help with that.
 
Man these are badass and super well made! As soon as I'm up and running I'll definetely pick up a pair! (My calipers are brand new oems already) Just being able to have brakes embossed w/Mitsubishi is selling point enough for me.

Any plans for rear upgrades??
 
These look very nice, I especially like the reinforcement triangulation. I'm also curious about why you decided to use thread inserts rather than just threading the holes. Also when I did my own custom brackets, I found I had to use about 3mm thick spacers between the bracket and caliper to get it perfectly centered on the rotor. This was on a stock 2G AWD knuckle. Good luck with the product!
 
These look very nice, I especially like the reinforcement triangulation. I'm also curious about why you decided to use thread inserts rather than just threading the holes. Also when I did my own custom brackets, I found I had to use about 3mm thick spacers between the bracket and caliper to get it perfectly centered on the rotor. This was on a stock 2G AWD knuckle. Good luck with the product!
Thanks. I just wasn't a huge fan of a threaded aluminum hole in a high torque application. Greater strength and longer thread life with the steel inserts.
 
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Curious ...

Roughly how many hours does this swap take?

This needs a 17" wheel or will a 16" clear?

Remanned calipers for like $85 and the 1994 VR4 3000gt fit?

Comments on braking distance, before and after?

Anyone have a different brake line part number option?

Anyone try these rotors or confirm they'll work?
Stop Tech, slotted but not drilled. $95 each
126.46052SL
 
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Well since it's common for people to design parts and then not have all the necessary details for customers to actually use the parts, I'll reply after the install...

17x7.5 wheels with +40mm will NOT fit. Ya, glad the OP didn't reply to help out here after I bought these wheels after the kit.

Maybe 17x8 +30mm will but I'll have to waste a ton of my time and money to find out. Not replying back anymore either.

I'd suggest most to just get any of skinny aftermarket calipers as you're not saving any money in the end after needing wheels etc to run these fat and wide calipers. TCE at $1200 is looking GREAT right now.
 
Well since it's common for people to design parts and then not have all the necessary details for customers to actually use the parts, I'll reply after the install...

17x7.5 wheels with +40mm will NOT fit. Ya, glad the OP didn't reply to help out here after I bought these wheels after the kit.

Maybe 17x8 +30mm will but I'll have to waste a ton of my time and money to find out. Not replying back anymore either.

I'd suggest most to just get any of skinny aftermarket calipers as you're not saving any money in the end after needing wheels etc to run these fat and wide calipers. TCE at $1200 is looking GREAT right now.


Your wheels not fitting is not the OP’S fault. There’s no way he could know if a specific wheel would fit or not and certainly not based on diameter alone. The shape of the wheel spokes and offset are how you determine if the caliper will clear.
 
Wheel fitment with caliper clearance is always a trial and error process - Paul probably doesn't know what clearance is required with all the different wheels out there (wheel spoke design comes into play too), he's just making these brackets for those who wanted them, as those people have likely already figured out the clearance requirements for their wheels. I did a search for this info and found these threads, maybe they'll help:

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/3000gt-vr4-brake-upgrade-with-enkei-rpf1.500075/
https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/3000gt-brake-upgrade.523582/

You might want to pick up a couple sets of spacers and possibly longer wheel studs. Cheaper than buying a new set of wheels. Not sure how much more pad surface area you gain over the 2-piston DSM calipers, or how many different pad options you'll gain. I'm sure that's been covered in past discussions though.
 
Got longer studs coming and spacers actually, good call.

Not sure this mod is worth it honestly, I'll find out if it brakes better or not, that's the real test but saving money and time, not happening. Considering the current labor to install studs or a spacer with studs, it levels off fast which was one big selling point here.

But +40mm on any 7.5 or 8" wide wheel isn't going to work. That's info that could've been stated early on, hell they put it on a car right, what was that wheels specs to give us all some insight.
 
But +40mm on any 7.5 or 8" wide wheel isn't going to work. That's info that could've been stated early on, hell they put it on a car right, what was that wheels specs to give us all some insight.
Wheel specs on the car used on the prototype set: Work Meister S1R Wheels, 17x7 & 17x8, Offset 30

As much as I wish we were able to provide a comprehensive list of wheels that do and do not clear the 3000GT caliper, we simply do not have that information available. We did not invent this brake swap though - it was around before we were facilitating the demand for the caliper brackets. As Chris mentioned, there's tech info to be found on the web regarding wheel fitment.
 
Thanks and not to really bust on you more, but you're about 1 year late with that wheel info.

If I knew 17x7 +30 worked I would've definitely bought any 17 with a +30 initially and gone from there.

I understand you can't list every wheel, the ones you listed now help a lot as +42 is stock and +40 is very common for 1g wheels. Seeing +30 fit is the key here.
 
Thanks and not to really bust on you more, but you're about 1 year late with that wheel info.

If I knew 17x7 +30 worked I would've definitely bought any 17 with a +30 initially and gone from there.

I understand you can't list every wheel, the ones you listed now help a lot as +42 is stock and +40 is very common for 1g wheels. Seeing +30 fit is the key here.
Well, 6 months, but I'm sorry I didn't see your questions sooner. I pulled the wheel info from the vehicle profile on this website, from the member that wrote the install tech article linked in the original post. It was listed there, easy to find, all along.
 
Question about these brakes. How do they compare to the evo 8 and 9 calipers? Clamping force, size of rotors etc.

Thanks
 
Question about these brakes. How do they compare to the evo 8 and 9 calipers? Clamping force, size of rotors etc.

Thanks
Not sure if Paul will be able to answer this, but older threads discuss the differences. I did a search and found this one:
https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/big-brake-comparison-3kgtvr4-brakes-vs-tce-vs-evo-brakes.272687/

I think the difference is going to be negligible. You're going to be able to tune with the pad - I would consider pad availability and pricing of the replacements. Going with an aggressive pad will likely get you more front brake than you need on either caliper. The Evo caliper is thought to be lighter but I haven't been able to find weights posted. I'm sure with a little more searching you'll probably find that too.
 
Not sure if Paul will be able to answer this, but older threads discuss the differences. I did a search and found this one:
https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/big-brake-comparison-3kgtvr4-brakes-vs-tce-vs-evo-brakes.272687/

I think the difference is going to be negligible. You're going to be able to tune with the pad - I would consider pad availability and pricing of the replacements. Going with an aggressive pad will likely get you more front brake than you need on either caliper. The Evo caliper is thought to be lighter but I haven't been able to find weights posted. I'm sure with a little more searching you'll probably find that too.

Thanks Chris.
Yes, it seems like the 3000gt brake calipers are not just bulkier but maybe also heavier than the evos which I don't mind at all, as long as they fit with evo 8 wheels on a 1g. I also read that it's possible that the 3s calipers have bigger pistons than the evos. Not too sure about it. So because of it, I simply assumed that they might have greater clamping force.
Yes, I agree completely. Brake pad and even rotor availability is more important. With this said, it can be said that there is more options and availability in brake pads and rotors for the evo calipers.
However, I do like that these 3s calipers are basically a bolt on with the brackets and no need for grinding the caliper or adding spacers or hubs like with the evo and ctsv calipers.

So with this said,. The evo mounting brackets are made of steel. These 3s Caliper brackets are made out of aluminum. Why? Are they as good as the steel ones? Or is Paul going to release a steel version of them? How sturdy are these aluminum brackets compared to a steel version??

Thanks
 
3kgt Brakes with the rotors and pads recommended, 3g master cylinder on 1g booster are MUCH better than the Big Brakes and #93 pads that were on the car. Noticeable stopping power on any heavy pedal stomps from higher speeds. Definitely an upgrade.

Kit needed some help, bolts were too short and it needed basic washers to fit my 1G. Brackets could include a spacer set of bolts and washers to help the customer. I don't see any 1g using the kits bolts and not needing washers.

It also needed a 12mm spacer to just fit with +40mm wheels that have a decent caliper spoke spacing. The 15mm spacer stud bolt on kit didn't fit with my wheels.

The results are what matter but if you're on a budget, I'm in about $2000 on the dot with everything. Labor isn't like 5 hours in case you're wondering.
 

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So with this said,. The evo mounting brackets are made of steel. These 3s Caliper brackets are made out of aluminum. Why? Are they as good as the steel ones? Or is Paul going to release a steel version of them? How sturdy are these aluminum brackets compared to a steel version??
We chose aluminum over steel to keep the weight and cost down. There's zero issues regarding strength. And in fact, the vast majority of aftermarket brake kits on the market that have a 4+ piston caliper, use aluminum caliper brackets.

Kit needed some help, bolts were too short and it needed basic washers to fit my 1G. Brackets could include a spacer set of bolts and washers to help the customer. I don't see any 1g using the kits bolts and not needing washers.
Did you buy your bracket kit from us or second hand? If from us, when was it purchased?

We've always included bolts and spacers with these.Some guys trim the outer portion of the dust shield and leave the backside portion between the wheel bearing and knuckle. If that part of the shield is left in, then no spacers are usually needed for proper caliper alignment. And we include 4 washers in the kit for the guys who fully remove that dust shield, as it shifts the hub/rotor/wheel inward on the car. As well, there should have been (4) 25mm long bolts and (4) 30mm bolts. The longer bolts are to accommodate the spacers and still provide full thread engagement.
 
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