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18x9 +12 Saleen Wheels!

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InfiniteGSX

20+ Year Contributor
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Dec 10, 2002
Tijeras, New_Mexico
I know I'm going to get shit for this because somewhere in the 'DSM Rule Book' it states "One shall not slam or stance out a DSM, Wheels should be small, tires fat and suspension high enough to go rock crawling."

But I say NAYYYYYYYY! The 18x9.5 +22 Thread a few years back has been my inspiration since it came up. I 'accidentally' took it a little bit further. I got one hell of a deal on 4 Authentic Saleen 18x9 +12 (rear offset) Wheels that I could just not pass up. I didn't know they were +12 till I went to get them, I thought they were going to be the front +25's but nope. I took a chance, plus the re sale on Saleen's is pretty hefty.

Front fenders were rolled and pulled a little, rear fenders were rolled but not enough, I still need to roll them more. Currently in these pics the car's frame in the front fenders is resting on the tires. I don't know why because I've seen others roll around this low. And with my high angled driveway/street issue, I will be lifting it up about half an inch or inch in the front. The rears have plenty of room.

Camber is stock. Toe hasn't been adjusted yet (real culprit behind uneven tire wear) but don't give me shit for it, car doesn't run yet as the new 2.4 is being built right now, Just pulled the car out of the garage for some cleaning and figured I'd take some pictures because I think it looks insane!

Anyway, pictures!
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Rain has to interrupt cleaning. So I use the rain water to clean my car! TAKE THAT MOTHER NATURE!
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I hope you all enjoy. I know everyone else that has seen these pictures thinks its just awesome like I do, and pictures don't even do justice, but I know someone is gonna say something about my lightly stretched tires or my camber.

So in Advance for those comments:
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LOL have a good day.
 
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Thats looks siiiicccckkkk!!! My roots are in Mustangs (sorry...). Ive been looking into the bullitt style wheels myself, so youre not alone.
 
If the camber really is still stock spec, then that last picture is very deceiving. VERY.

But I actually like it. I think this is the only stanced DSM that I have thought looks good.
 
Crap, how did I get on VWVortex.com? Sorry, carry on.
 
You dind't answer my text the other day..So camber,camber,camber,stretched tires.

Those are nice tho.It does look good even that slammed.
What Text?
You have more traction when you only have 1/2 the tire on the ground from excessive camber that makes it look like you're too cheap for an alignment job?
Half the tire? Excessive Camber? No Camber = Less Traction. Proven fact. How does camber look like I'm too cheap for an alignment job. Only thing I would EVER adjust on an alignment job, is Toe. Camber doesn't kill tires or negate traction, Toe does! Another Proven Fact! Revert to last picture I posted, ty.
If the camber really is still stock spec, then that last picture is very deceiving. VERY.

But I actually like it. I think this is the only stanced DSM that I have thought looks good.
How is it deceiving? Stock, the 2g puts down more negative camber in the rear than the front. At a 2" Drop, the fronts are almost 0 camber and the rear has a few degrees. TY
Fix the camber and rubbing issues and then that will look hella dope! :D

What Camber issues? I have no camber issues. Its spot on!

Quoting NevaSatisfied:
acutally it's just right. no rubbing
 
What Text?

Half the tire? Excessive Camber? No Camber = Less Traction. Proven fact. How does camber look like I'm too cheap for an alignment job. Only thing I would EVER adjust on an alignment job, is Toe. Camber doesn't kill tires or negate traction, Toe does! Another Proven Fact! Revert to last picture I posted, ty.

How is it deceiving? Stock, the 2g puts down more negative camber in the rear than the front. At a 2" Drop, the fronts are almost 0 camber and the rear has a few degrees. TY


What Camber issues? I have no camber issues. Its spot on!

Quoting NevaSatisfied:

Abuse of facts.

Not true in your situation.
 
Abuse of facts.

Not true in your situation.

Not at all. You need to do a little more research bud. IF you roll around at the track with 0 camber, you will slide all over the place. They don't make camber kits to fix negative camber. They originally started making them so people could run negative camber for track use. Have you never seen a legit race where the pit crews have to dial in camber depending on handling issues? I only have a few degrees of negative camber. Nothing excessive like some. It looks good and will handle like a dream finally!
 
Not at all. You need to do a little more research bud. IF you roll around at the track with 0 camber, you will slide all over the place. They don't make camber kits to fix negative camber. They originally started making them so people could run negative camber for track use. Have you never seen a legit race where the pit crews have to dial in camber depending on handling issues? I only have a few degrees of negative camber. Nothing excessive like some. It looks good and will handle like a dream finally!

You need to do more research...especially around this fact:

Excessive camber angle can lead to increased tire wear and impaired handling.

And yours qualifies for excessive for these cars. You also have negatively affected your straight line acceleration, bud.

As with everything else in existence moderation is the key to success.

Have you even been around a track or are you just trying to justify your liking of hellaflush without just manning up to it?

:pray:
 
You need to do more research...especially around this fact:



And yours qualifies for excessive for these cars. You also have negatively affected your straight line acceleration, bud.

As with everything else in existence moderation is the key to success.

Have you even been around a track or are you just trying to justify your liking of hellaflush without just manning up to it?

:pray:

You are soo wrong. And its been proven SOOO many times. Funny that its the honda guys that actually know this shit. Camber is NOT the leader in uneven tire wear. It is the lack of proper alignment to your toe that is the problem with uneven tire wear. Camber is a bi product of lowering a car to the limits but your toe is effected more than camber. Sure having both is a big no no and you'll end up having to replace your tires very soon. But if you have a good alignment on the toe, and still roll around with camber, you will only wear the tire the same as you would with 0 camber. That is proven fact<---look it up in the dictionary what Fact Means. You can argue that all you like, But it has been proven and the proof has been displayed throughout history of automotive upgrades.

Toe is also the issue with bad handling, not camber. Under hard cornering (LOL @ the people that only race in a straight line) the body roll, rolls into the tire. Another Proven fact. Toe is the enemy here as well!

Again you can continue to argue but it is all proven. I'm just re stating it. Because it seems only the DSM Crowd are the only ones that still don't get it. Plus like I said its all in the DSM Rule Book. "DSM's should NEVER be taken around a corner, only driven in a straight line." Well I'm sorry but you know whats even moarrrr ### than NASCAR's driving left, left, left.... is straight for a few seconds!

But it doesn't matter, I glad you guys like it. I can't stop staring at the car. It even stopped a neighbor while they were driving by, and they had to call me over to complement it. :)

Cool article. http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=199650& I live by that and will vouch for it. Because I've been running TRUE excessive camber on my Slammed Civic and my tires were as good the day I sold it, from the day I got the tires installed new. Which was around 2 years. And they weren't even good tires, just cheapies. And that car could do circles around my GSX.
 
You are soo wrong. And its been proven SOOO many times. Funny that its the honda guys that actually know this shit. Camber is NOT the leader in uneven tire wear. It is the lack of proper alignment to your toe that is the problem with uneven tire wear. Camber is a bi product of lowering a car to the limits but your toe is effected more than camber. Sure having both is a big no no and you'll end up having to replace your tires very soon. But if you have a good alignment on the toe, and still roll around with camber, you will only wear the tire the same as you would with 0 camber. That is proven fact<---look it up in the dictionary what Fact Means. You can argue that all you like, But it has been proven and the proof has been displayed throughout history of automotive upgrades.

Toe is also the issue with bad handling, not camber. Under hard cornering (LOL @ the people that only race in a straight line) the body roll, rolls into the tire. Another Proven fact. Toe is the enemy here as well!

Again you can continue to argue but it is all proven. I'm just re stating it. Because it seems only the DSM Crowd are the only ones that still don't get it. Plus like I said its all in the DSM Rule Book. "DSM's should NEVER be taken around a corner, only driven in a straight line." Well I'm sorry but you know whats even moarrrr ### than NASCAR's driving left, left, left.... is straight for a few seconds!

But it doesn't matter, I glad you guys like it. I can't stop staring at the car. It even stopped a neighbor while they were driving by, and they had to call me over to complement it. :)

:rolleyes:

Now we know why very few DSMers get anywhere in AutoX and Road Racing. All this time, the secret to Andrew Brilliant and DG to be even better was to acquire stupid negative degrees of camber, I shall surely go let them know right now.

Instead of researching proper suspension geometry, and finding the most ideal amount of negative camber, we shall all just go slam the heck out of our cars wantonly until we all drive floating DeLoreans. Because it's better, it's a proven fact, because Honda owners do it.

At least Honda owners own up to their silly camber and state that they do it because they think it looks good and not abuse a fact on extremes.
 
Love it! Do you have a camber kit in the front if so what kit? I'm trying to get my 17x9 with 255/40 tire to fit up front with a +27 offset and my fenders are rolled but not enough.
 
No, I'm on stock arms front and back. . . I was on 17x8.5? +30 before and I only had issues with the rear rubbing with no rolling=
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Gottcha guess I will be doing a little more rolling LOL smh Btw car looks awesome good choice! Camber doesn't kill tires toe does!
 
Here's a pic I took before I knew how far my coils would drop. I put bricks under the car cause I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get the jack back under.
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I'm going to lift it up to this height. Just need my new custom strut perch's.
 
Love Saleen wheels... but be careful with them. There's a certain date code range in the year 2000 where they were not heat treated properly and prone to cracking. I have a set of authentic Saleens on my Mustang. One was cracked across the spoke, and fell within the recall dates. The other three were newer, and are fine.

As far as resale goes... form what I've seen, they are about average for any decent Mustang wheel. I picked up the Saleen's for my car for $200. (because they were not perfect...) But I've seen them average form 500-1000$ for a set. Which is about the same for Cobra and Bullit wheels.
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