Old School VS New School DSMrs

[JusMX141]

I'm not as old-school as the guys who were around these cars in the 90's, but I'm a bit older than most active members on this site. What I've seen is we all started out the same way- young and inexperienced, asking plenty of questions, doing the free mods, doing things as cheap as possible on the whole. Then as time passes, if you're dedicated enough to keep your car for a few years, you tend to learn more and spend more on your car as you get a better job and advance in life to some degree.

New-school guys will always be new-school....we still have the "hey I just bought this car and I want to go as fast as I can and make as much noise as possible without spending more than $50" threads every day.

 

[Technoklipz]

Well, I don't post much on here but read the threads often. I have been into dsm's since the 1997 and have saw the progression with technology and the different types of tuners. I would like to call myself old school. Things sure have changed with people and how they want to mod their cars to go really fast. A slow reliable car is sometimes better than a fast unreliable car.

 

[92awdgsx]

The main difference between "Old school" and "New school" is experience and trying to do things the right way. I've been doing it for 10 years now and I can see the mentality of most of the new guys has changed a lot. Some of them will do there own work and make there own tools. They will learn the hard way. If they are a true DSMer, they won't get discouraged and they will learn from there mistakes. When that happens, they will be "Old school"

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

If you remember when 300+ WHP was a highly modified car..
I also like turbodsm90's post..

Edit: If you know when you actually need adjustable cam gears and braided hoses..

This. I remember when having a 16g was "wow". I wish I would have signed up on Tuners in '02 when I was lurking. I lacked having an email or knowing how to even use one. Lol!

I totally miss those days. I think the new-school guys are hit or miss. Mostly miss. But there's some good ones, no doubt. The whole eBay parts era really hit us hard.

 

[laser90]

When I think old school I think paying nearly $1000 for a greddy FMIC.

 

[99gst_racer]

^^ They were $1200 way back in the day.

 

[yoshi_tony]

Well, I don't post much on here but read the threads often. I have been into dsm's since the 1997 and have saw the progression with technology and the different types of tuners. I would like to call myself old school. Things sure have changed with people and how they want to mod their cars to go really fast. A slow reliable car is sometimes better than a fast unreliable car.

turning 21 on thursday. My first dsm was when i was 12 my dads boss at that time bought himself an audi and parked his 93 gs gave it to my dad and he gave to me so could learn how to drive. I've been lurking this website since 03 in i was in middle school but i stop at high school simply forgot about cars and came back in 08 and did a profile when i actually got internet at home (really poor back in the day ) but i will be here till i cant afford another rebuild haha

 

[Bo0sTdTsI]

New school.
2004: Rode in 400hp 2nd gen, loved it
2005-2006: Research research research, Working minimum wage saving money for a rebuild on a complete 4g63t set up i bought off my friend.
2007: slowly getting the parts together.
2008urchased my talon got to building and re did everything i had to.
2009-2011:Senior year of high school and i was the fastest car there, never raced as i needed reliable car i could feel the power but never wasted my time. But college in dallas was amazing i miss those days even though they were just recently. Im barely turning 21 in december. I dont mind gettin down on my car, i love my car, it deserves to run good but electrical is not my thing sadly, im a welder.

 

[tsi20gawd]

I still have a 1g aluminum radiator I bought from Ken Bacon (Indy race cores) in about 1999 for my third Dsm at that time, oh Im getting old. Going on 15 years, 15 Dsm's and three Evo's later I sure am starting to feel the generation gap between the fresher Dsm crowd I run into these days and myself. I am constantly asked for advice, yet most of them are not interested in listening. It seems as if the bar has been raised substantially from the earlier days, and to be a blip on the current Dsm radar you must have a impressive arsenal at your disposal. Still to this day after having everything from a 13g to a gt42r, I must say the classic tried and true 16g, 2gmass, 550 setups still bring a smile to my face

Bryan

 

[laserspeeddemon]

^^ They were $1200 way back in the day.

$1050 for the HKS VPC, best tuning device at that time.

 

[DJ23GSX]

I'd consider myself and old schooler. I was a DSM'er way back in the Talon Digest days. I originally in love with the 1g's when they first came out and started to research the death out of them. I was drawn not only to there looks but to the fact that you could make them quite quick with very little money. I've been down the road of home depot mods, mkiv intercooler homemade boost controllers etc. Its pretty much what we had to do back in the day cause there was only a handful of vendors that actually made/sold dsm performance parts.The dsm im running right now I would consider and old school build. I'm keeping it cheap and simple. Safc2 evo8 injectors buschur street fmic 2g manifold 14b blah blah blah etc . I'm pretty much using old parts that guys usually sell dirt cheap now a days. There were dsm's running pretty dam fast before link and huge turbos hit the dsm scene. I dumped a lot of money into one of my dsm's with mediocre results. It seemed like the more parts/money I put into it the more finicky it got. I swear this new one with the simple mods that runs like bear might give it a run for its money. My new simple modded dsm still idles and drives like its stock. Well its a little stiffer with the pro kit springs but its still a comfy ride.

Who remembers the Al Blaha hacked 1g mafs? Thats a classic right there. Archer Bros racing anyone?? Ah the good old days .

 

[afoster98GSX]

A little of both

 

[Doubleot]

I'll consider myself new school. I usually don't pay mechanics or anyone to do work to my car unless I simply don't have time or don't know how to do the job neccessary. I've always been into buying once and never again but things break its natural and normal. I've owned a dsm since I got my license 6 years ago and I love every second of it. I'm now going on 3 years with my first running turbo awd and I'll never get rid of her. I think a big thing about being new or old school is the mentality of doing things the right way. I've never been one of those kids who tries to slap on a 50-trim with no supporting mods and whines about something breaking later on. I've got my fair share of old schoolers locally who I can turn to for advise or help. I do like how this community has grown though, so much help and support wherever its needed. Threads that start with how do I make 1000hp with a 16g are easily ignored. People like that aren't looking to learn and grow.



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[LandoAWD]

New school: Run an "Evergreen" head gasket, and ask for proof of why not to use them. Refute proof when offered.

Old school: Buy a damned OEM for 20 bucks more and do it right.

 

[H4G64T]

Even easier, and still as I stand by it from the first post:

Old School:

Went outside with their tools and fixed the problem, no matter what it took.

New School:

Post on DSMTuners.com on how to fix problem, half-assedly try it, come back and complain about how much work it is to get pain int he but problem fix, ask for a detailed walk-through, try that half-assedly, come and piss about it, then ask for someone to do it for them for free or cheap, than finally give up and pay a mechanic to fix or sell the car. Continue to tell everyone you know that DSMs are unreliable.

 

[danl]

Old schoolers have the FSM. New schoolers ask questions already found in the FSM.

 

[mezzio]

I don't think this only pertains to DSM's, I'm seeing a lot of "new school" drivers who all act the same way across all vehicle platforms... they throw on cheap parts, have shops do their work, and have huge heads thinking they're hot ****. The old school guys seem to love trying new things, get their hands dirty, and could really care less about show as long as they have plenty of go (in the aftermarket sense).

 

[TurBoneRed]

There are more than one type of new school dsmer...


The one who wants to know the right way to do things

The clueless dsmer who asked newbie questions but means no harm

The arragent dsmer who is hard headed and tends to learn stuff the hard way

The flat out rediculous dsmer who thinks he is always right even when he is wrong


There are also several types of old schoolers...


The helpful one who is polite but gets his point accross

The one who is very strait forward but always gets his point accross

The one who disrespects at will but eventually helps out

The one that over uses the sentence "use the search button" this user usually never helps directly

The all out lurker who rarley speaks but has a DSM in the 9s



There are many attitudes here, we just need the learn to deal with them politley

 

[black_gst]

There are more than one type of new school dsmer...


The one who wants to know the right way to do things

The clueless dsmer who asked newbie questions but means no harm

The arragent dsmer who is hard headed and tends to learn stuff the hard way

The flat out rediculous dsmer who thinks he is always right even when he is wrong


There are also several types of old schoolers...


The helpful one who is polite but gets his point accross

The one who is very strait forward but always gets his point accross

The one who disrespects at will but eventually helps out

The one that over uses the sentence "use the search button" this user usually never helps directly

The all out lurker who rarley speaks but has a DSM in the 9s



There are many attitudes here, we just need the learn to deal with them politley

Well said!

 

[H4G64T]

Now provide examples of each.

 

[DJ23GSX]

I bought my first dsm about 12 years ago and have since owned 3 different ones. About 10 years ago I was on the hunt for a 1g awd and found a nice one rather quickly. Just about every dsm I looked at in that time period was nice and well built if it was modded. I owned that dsm for 8 years and just sold it just 2 years ago. I missed not having a dsm so I was on a the hunt again for another dsm last year. While looking for a dsm this time around I've noticed that the quality of dsm's have gone way downhill compared to my last hunt. It seemed like 90% of the ones I found worthy of actually looking at were either not nearly as nice in person as the pics I was sent or they were just straight up rat boxes once I started looking into them more. Don't get me wrong I did find a few nice ones in my hunt but the prices were a bit steep. I blame the steep prices on craigslist . It seemed to me that the newer generation dsmer's either come from a different platform and just start bolting stuff on without researching about dsm's or they hack these cars up cause they don't know what they are doing. I mean no offense to anyone when I say this its just my experience of the handful of dsm's I've looked at recently.

 

[theSicKness]

I don't buy in to the old school new school dsmers. The fact of the matter is we were once all newbs, I look back on some of my first posts and I am embarrassed at my grammar and knowledge. There were allot of dumb questions back then, Obviously there are more now, but I think the cars are just getting cheaper and allot more of the younger crowd can afford them. The OG's here now are the guys who Just didn't give up and take the cheap way out, and now some of them have the fastest 4cyl's on the planet or have done things no one knew was possible with a 4cyl.

I will admit i think it was more exciting back then, seemed like someone was doing something new and crazy on a daily basis. i remember when i was amazed when Artic Tsi when 12.1 with a 14b.

For all you guys who don't remember him, his website is still up and running.
ARCTIC RACING



Just my .02
Jesse

 

[tkelly27]

Potentiometer on the IAT sensor. TMO logger/chips. Hacked mafs. V2. The dark ages.

 

[DJ23GSX]

I don't buy in to the old school new school dsmers. The fact of the matter is we were once all newbs, I look back on some of my first posts and I am embarrassed at my grammar and knowledge. There were allot of dumb questions back then, Obviously there are more now, but I think the cars are just getting cheaper and allot more of the younger crowd can afford them. The OG's here now are the guys who Just didn't give up and take the cheap way out, and now some of them have the fastest 4cyl's on the planet or have done things no one knew was possible with a 4cyl.

I will admit i think it was more exciting back then, seemed like someone was doing something new and crazy on a daily basis. i remember when i was amazed when Artic Tsi when 12.1 with a 14b.

For all you guys who don't remember him, his website is still up and running.
ARCTIC RACING



Just my .02
Jesse

I agree 100% I know a few old timer dsmer's who still short cut around with these cars . I don't think badly of either crowd as long as they are willing to listen and learn. I too go back and read some of my first post and think to myself wow I was real newb tube but hey I read, listened and learned all I could about these cars. If it weren't for the forums I wouldn't know squat. Then again back when I started posting not all the answers were as easily found by searching as they are now a days.

Potentiometer on the IAT sensor. TMO logger/chips. Hacked mafs. V2. The dark ages.

Those were the fun days. Don't forget the starion/conquest fmic. It was great seeing people use there brains to make these cars fast instead of their fat wallets. Off the shelf go fast parts way back then were scarce. Now dsm go fast parts litter the web for anyone with money to buy. To me right now I'm having more fun making my current dsm that I purchased 100% stock as fast as I can for as little $$ as possible. Its a challenge and if you do your homework its not very difficult. Besides it brings me back to the main reason why I bought my first dsm 12 years ago.

 

[99gst_racer]

i remember when i was amazed when Artic Tsi when 12.1 with a 14b.

For all you guys who don't remember him, his website is still up and running.
ARCTIC RACING

I remember when he was car of the month and on the homepage of this site back in '03. That car was/is dead sexy.