Those who think holsets aren't proven please read!

[need2boostpsi]

I enjoyed my holset time, turbo is definitely something to hype up, my only complaint is my IAT sensor showed my UICP heating up 30* from a single pull, my S366 and T67 both only showed 5-12* temp increasing at the same boost. I do realize my Intercooler is not rated for 700whp.


to the OP, great job on breaking into 10's.

 

[talon_swift7834]

I've heard about this so called fast Talon in Janesville. It's nice to see the rumors were correct. I'm not a Holset fan, but I'm not a hater either. To much lag for me. My buddies Spirit R/T did ok with one though. Ran 29psi and trapped 121 or so but only ran a Mid 13 pass . Just couldn't get the radials to hook. He did all this on a stock block w/ti retainers as his only real upgrade. So people quit hating on Holsets. Each turbo has its place and well...the holset is at home on the strip and HAS proven itself.

 

[kp116]

I've heard about this so called fast Talon in Janesville. It's nice to see the rumors were correct. I'm not a Holset fan, but I'm not a hater either. To much lag for me. My buddies Spirit R/T did ok with one though. Ran 29psi and trapped 121 or so but only ran a Mid 13 pass . Just couldn't get the radials to hook. He did all this on a stock block w/ti retainers as his only real upgrade. So people quit hating on Holsets. Each turbo has its place and well...the holset is at home on the strip and HAS proven itself.

Who have you heard that from? Word travels around I guess... You don't really see to many of those around anymore. Sounds like your buddy is doing pretty good. Not to brag but there are quite a few impressive dsm's around here. Mr. peepers car which went 12.00 @ 115mph on a 14b, sidemount and a afc and 11.8 @ 119 on a 16g. Another buddy of ours has a 2ga eclipse, 2.3 stroker, standard 35r ect... made 629whp and 560wtq. Also a holset hx35 powered 2gb gsx which trapped a best of 119mph on a very conserative tune. His car was only out the beginning of the season just for a short time due to a broken trans later in the season.

This 400 dollar ebay bolt on turbo put me in the 10's on a stock intake and bent valves.... Is there really anything else to say?

Kinda sad I am going away from the holset this season but man should this year be fun!

 

[dsm-onster]

I've heard about this so called fast Talon in Janesville. It's nice to see the rumors were correct. I'm not a Holset fan, but I'm not a hater either. To much lag for me. My buddies Spirit R/T did ok with one though. Ran 29psi and trapped 121 or so but only ran a Mid 13 pass . Just couldn't get the radials to hook. He did all this on a stock block w/ti retainers as his only real upgrade. So people quit hating on Holsets. Each turbo has its place and well...the holset is at home on the strip and HAS proven itself.

You know that bolton hx40 that Kenny uses sees 20psi by 3900rpms in 3rd gear. And 25psi by 4100rpms . Click. Dowt! I see that you don't have link. Here's the log. . .

EDIT: this was on a 2.0L motor, not a 2.4

 

[talon_swift7834]

Not exactly sure who I heard it from cause it kind of went in one ear and out the other. I'm not a huge fan of drag racing. I'm more of the road course/autocross/time attack type of guy. I do like to see 4g63 kickin a** on any type of track though. When I'm done with my 2.4 build w/ a T3/T4 I'll let you know what my spool times are.

 

[dsm-onster]

That was on a 2.0L.

 

[talon_swift7834]

Yes I know those were on a 2.0. I never stated otherwise. I'm just stating the fact that I'm building a 2.4 and will be putting on my T3/T4. Yes I know the spool would be affected as far as a 2.0 vs. a 2.4, but since I'm more biased towards road racing I extremely dislike lag. I'm looking for a smooth powerband which I believe will be better on a t3/t4 rather than a holset. I don't know if you missed what I stated, but I don't hate holsets. I'm glad that he is proving people wrong about them. By the way... what are you switching to as far as a turbo for this next season and WHY are you switching away from a holset? I'm sure a few other people are wondering as well since you've had such good results.

 

[dsm-onster]

Hey I'm not being defensive. . . Sorry if there was some miscommunication . A stroker with a properly sized t3/t4 is a good thing for the road coarses. There's 350whp t3/t4s and theres 600whp t3/t4s. Hope you have one that meets your goal. I like having a 600whp turbo spool to 25psi by 4k. The wh1e I have now (older hx40) is very linear no e3 16g type "hit". As a road racer it would be to your advantage to have the most power as soon as possible while being smooth and predictable. My hx40 starts building boost at 2500rpms and smoothly ramps up to 25ish by 4200rpms.

I think Kenny might be convinced to stay with the hx40. I think he got a smoking deal on his other turbo though.

 

[talon_swift7834]

With the different wheels and housings that I have on my t3/t4 I will be in the 550-580hp range. with amazing spool characteristics. My car is not a designated track car as of now, but with the recent purchase of #545/1000 It just might become one.
It might as well be one I guess since I don't drive it in the winter. Only 80000 original miles and rust free. It's gonna make a nice track car.

 

[thecman02]

To reiterate what other people have said... don't get a Holset turbo. They are no good. I don't know anyone that likes their turbo. Nothing but over hyped garbage turbos. MUAHAHA and to the poster above me congrats on getting 545/1000. Mine is 580/1000

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Stop cheaping out on parts, and maybe this wouldn't have happened in the first place?

just sayin.

 

[dsm-onster]

Good to see you're not saying the cheap holset is to blame, Andy . . . Yea. I do agree that teh bc springs shouldn't have been used.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Good to see you're not saying the cheap holset is to blame, Andy . . . Yea. I do agree that teh bc springs shouldn't have been used.

Nope, it's the cheap DSMer's fault. The holset was a function of this.

 

[kp116]

Stop cheaping out on parts, and maybe this wouldn't have happened in the first place?

just sayin.

The only thing that is to blame is driver error not the parts... As stated before I only revved it out to 7500rpm... stock springs and retainers should handle that just fine....

Hey I'm not being defensive. . . Sorry if there was some miscommunication . A stroker with a properly sized t3/t4 is a good thing for the road coarses. There's 350whp t3/t4s and theres 600whp t3/t4s. Hope you have one that meets your goal. I like having a 600whp turbo spool to 25psi by 4k. The wh1e I have now (older hx40) is very linear no e3 16g type "hit". As a road racer it would be to your advantage to have the most power as soon as possible while being smooth and predictable. My hx40 starts building boost at 2500rpms and smoothly ramps up to 25ish by 4200rpms.

I think Kenny might be convinced to stay with the hx40. I think he got a smoking deal on his other turbo though.

I am convinced to stay with it but I already have money invested into this new set up. It seems that the bolt-on housings are a little bit harder to come by these days as well as finding a awesome deal like I did on the holset. If I can find a good deal on a holset and find the bolt-on housing I am still considering possibly running it for the start of the season and then switch to what I planned on running.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

The only thing that is to blame is driver error not the parts... As stated before I only revved it out to 7500rpm... stock springs and retainers should handle that just fine....

But they didn't, therefore your argument is moot. Proper parts would allow you to rev that high on a properly built engine. Trying to blame it on "driver error" then saying that the parts "should have" held is not a valid way to argue.

 

[FenixTX717]

But they didn't, therefore your argument is moot. Proper parts would allow you to rev that high on a properly built engine. Trying to blame it on "driver error" then saying that the parts "should have" held is not a valid way to argue.

So you are saying "proper parts" never fail? By Kenny saying it was "driver error" which I personally think he was lucky and that car obviously had "proper parts". The day he over reved the crap out of it, he was still able to drive it around for months. If it wasn't "proper parts" I'm sure he would have tosted the car that day and did more damage but lucky for him he had a good built motor and only "dinged" some valves.

 

[danl]

I enjoyed my holset time, turbo is definitely something to hype up, my only complaint is my IAT sensor showed my UICP heating up 30* from a single pull, my S366 and T67 both only showed 5-12* temp increasing at the same boost. I do realize my Intercooler is not rated for 700whp.

Was it the same intercooler for all three turbos?

 

[Boosted98gsx]

So you are saying "proper parts" never fail?

PROPER PARTS should never fail. Hence, why they are PROPER for the application. Should have been stress analyzed with enough margin of failure to accommodate any other likely loads.

 

[dsm-onster]

Nope, it's the cheap DSMer's fault. The holset was a function of this.

Nope holset is not an effect of cheap dsm investment. That is the primary falacy of the comunity at large. Think.

Thus all your arguement that cheap is the cause is moot. He picked parts that were said to work. So don't say using a holset is derived from "cheapness". Considering the failure of other parts, your own arguement that "using a holset is a function of cheapness" is an oxymoron, since "the holset" performed in spite of the failures. Afterall, all your hard parts purchases havn't net you this guys results yet. You're just being as stereotypical as the next "hater".

 

[kp116]

PROPER PARTS should never fail. Hence, why they are PROPER for the application. Should have been stress analyzed with enough margin of failure to accommodate any other likely loads.

So your saying the springs and retainers should have handle 10k+ rpms with no problem? Like I said it was my fault why the valves bent not the parts.

I found another 6-blade hx40 with the bolt-on housing so I will be running the hx40 again for the start of the season to see how it response to the other upgrades I have done.

 

[dsm-onster]

Damn good to hear! Push that sucker. Double check your oil specs.

 

[Mike1992]

Was it the same intercooler for all three turbos?

Yes, I beleive he has the ETS Street Core setup thats only 7" tall.

My current car (not the one in my profle) has a WH1E (old HX-40) and I have the Monster SBR/Kinetic Race intercooler kit 12" Tall 3.5" thick and my uicp temps are much higher then his.

 

[AndrewD5418]

PROPER PARTS should never fail. Hence, why they are PROPER for the application. Should have been stress analyzed with enough margin of failure to accommodate any other likely loads.

You fail, and your posts fail.. Seriously, don't post unless you have something valid and with moot point to argue with. These recent posts of yours just make you look like an ignorant person.

 

[dsm-onster]

Yes, I beleive he has the ETS Street Core setup thats only 7" tall.

My current car (not the one in my profle) has a WH1E (old HX-40) and I have the Monster SBR/Kinetic Race intercooler kit 12" Tall 3.5" thick and my uicp temps are much higher then his.

Does the kinetic race intercooler use the staggered and offset internal fin design and as densely as the ets? The ets core's external fin density is probably the same or less than the kinetic race but the internal fin design is VERY important. Most ebay cores don't even have louvered internal fins, much less a staggered/offset design (that I would consider a little more pricey to fabricate). And there's various degrees of "detail" with different intercooler core manufacturers from which kinetic and ets and such have an option of buying.

 

[danl]

Yes, I beleive he has the ETS Street Core setup thats only 7" tall.

My current car (not the one in my profle) has a WH1E (old HX-40) and I have the Monster SBR/Kinetic Race intercooler kit 12" Tall 3.5" thick and my uicp temps are much higher then his.

From what you are saying the intercooler was constant and the major variable were the turbo selections. The fact that one turbo has a significantly higher IAT at the same boost levels over a single gear pull is alarming.

Edit:
My friend runs a Kinetic 12" tall core (but I thought it was only 3" thick) with a 20g. I'll have some good data on that setup after our first T&T in about a month. Its not the greatest core in the world, but it is a good compromise for a small/medium frame turbo street car application.