RCR Superlight GTA

Posted by qcdsmtsi, Jun 21, 2012

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  1. qcdsmtsi

    qcdsmtsi Proven Member

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    Thought you guys would be interested in this project out of Michigan.

    Superlite GTA - GT40s.com

    Race Car Replicas - Superlight GTA

    Uses a 2g cabin and full interior. All new body work, new front and rear suspension, mid engine RWD!

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    Explanation by the owner Fran Hall

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    These guys know how to build a car. Checkout their site SuperLite Cars Made in the USA, Engineered to Win on the Street and Track by Race Car Replicas

    PS - I am not in any way affiliated with RCR, found this info and wanted to pass the word :)
     

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  2. TSiAWD666

    TSiAWD666 Supporting Member

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    I'll say they do. Saw one of their cars at Hyperfest this weekend. Was very cool. No idea what kind of laps it was turning though.
     

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  3. asrdave

    asrdave Proven Member

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    That is awesome, I Have been looking for a GST too. I would absolutely love to do a kit car
     
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  4. qcdsmtsi

    qcdsmtsi Proven Member

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    I haven't been watching them race, but reading their announcements it sounds like they are walking competition. They recently had engine problems though :(

    Video with the 01 Race Car

    I did find some lap time info for you.

    RCR 01 Race Car
     
  5. Atuca

    Atuca Proven Member

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    I just heard about the SLC today on SPEED.

    SuperLite Cars Made in the USA, Engineered to Win on the Street and Track by Race Car Replicas

    Went down that rabbit hole (and looking at pricing), then found this thread for cars that were made by Superlite.

    The GT40 is insanely awsome looking! I think most of us consider ourselvs do-it-yourselfers and a kit car based off a 2g would be awsome.

    I was trying to find more information on this car and I cant find too much more. It looks like this is a new project though by them and I can't wait to see the outcome.
     
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  6. Clutchman

    Clutchman Probationary Member

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    This is a new car from RCR Superlite tagged the Superlite Apex. (was GTA) The release date is scheduled for Jan 1, 13'. I have posted a lot on that thread over there (Mr. Wolfe) and I am here to learn as much as I can about the 4g63 engine. If you have any questions about the car, I may be able to help.

    Clutchman
     
  7. Atuca

    Atuca Proven Member

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    Superlite GTA - Page 25 - GT40s.com

    They posted new photos of the 2G in that above linked post today. Funny seeing a 2g in there with all the new body styling around it.


    p.s. reading their thread, it looks like they need help with 4g63 engines in a bad way WTF
     
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  8. Sebba

    Sebba Banned Member

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    Someone should sign up and direct them here. Dibs not me, I'm on my iPhone.

    Its got a very Noble-esque front end. The rear IDK WTF happened there...someone had their eyes closed LOL.
     
  9. GRNDSM

    GRNDSM Moderator

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    This is looking positively awesome!

    With Factory Five (a local to me company), releasing their Subaru WRX based 818 kit car, I was feeling a bit left out: I LOVE kits cars, but I just couldn't get over the Subaru part... So this IS THE ANSWER for us, DSM guys!!!
     
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    1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

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  10. Atuca

    Atuca Proven Member

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    I don't know why, but I still check this site every few days to see if there were updates. Well I've been busy and missed the drop, but the demo car is getting finished up now and here are the pictures.

    Wonder how they mounted the 4g63 in the rear, still super anxious! Even if people here don't buy their body panels, might get some good ideas how to build a gst into a mid engine dsm :thumb:

    There is also the potential scare.. that we are going to have people scavenging around for gst/gsx just to cut them up for this kit car.

    Either way, for those curious and those who havn't heard:
     

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  11. boost97gst

    boost97gst Proven Member

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    Just popped a rod.... God thats awesome. I want one
     
  12. russ96gst

    russ96gst Proven Member

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    Are those toyota celica headlights? Sure looks like it to me. Very cool though!
     
  13. GRNDSM

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    There is no downside to this kit! Sure, there might be a few DSM destroyed to build this car, but I can't imagine there would be a lot of them. And hopefully people will go for slightly beat up donor cars.

    Why mid engine? Because it is THE best place to put a motor...

    It is only a matter of time, but I definitely see one of these cars in my garage!
     
    My DSM:
    1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

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    13.10 @ 101 MPH

    Street Build

    11.74 @ 118 MPH
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  14. Dylan0123

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    So to bring this back from the dead, whats the status on the Superlite GTA/Apex whatever it's called? I'm looking on their website and can't find anything about it
     
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  15. 91-GS

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    "Technically" the DSM will still be there, just hidden under the kit. And seeing how the kit covers most of the outside makes me think that most likely cars that will be used would be damaged (on the outside, but not structurally) just like you said. So if nothing else, this kit will save couple of DSMs from getting crushed.
     
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  16. Atuca

    Atuca Proven Member

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    Nothing new as far as photos are concerned. The company was in the process of moving to a new facility and hasn't posted an update on the Apex in a month.
     
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  17. GRNDSM

    GRNDSM Moderator

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    They do not appear very committed to this project...

    Factory Five ran their 818 project like an Internet blog, constantly asking their potential customers questions and posting frequent updates. Unfortunately, it is based on a Subaru and somehow, they manage to put a hideous front end on otherwise good looking car. So it is a non-starter for me, despite the fact that they are just down the street from me and my coworker will be receiving his in September. I was going to attend their open house today, but change in family plans prevented me.

    Too bad Factory Five isn't doing this project. :(
     
    My DSM:
    1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    Autocross Build

    13.10 @ 101 MPH

    Street Build

    11.74 @ 118 MPH
    1994 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    10.123 @ 138.060 MPH
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  18. GRNDSM

    GRNDSM Moderator

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    Looks like this project is in trouble:

    GT40s.com - View Single Post - Superlite GTA

    Could the LIKELY, potential customers please chime in with their opinions on the price tag? Will you still buy this kit if it was $30k?
     
    My DSM:
    1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    Autocross Build

    13.10 @ 101 MPH

    Street Build

    11.74 @ 118 MPH
    1994 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    10.123 @ 138.060 MPH
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  19. Jeff99GS

    Jeff99GS Proven Member

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    I'd buy it for 15-20k probably for 30k if its really nice quality.
     
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  20. jasonnator

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    I am very likely a future RCR Apex customer. My question is this:

    I've done tons of searching about 420A's being converted to 4g63's. Everyone says don't do it because of the huge fabrication and wiring issues. With the RCR front and rear clips taking the majority of that out of the equation, why would I not want to just pick up a GS/RS for dirt cheap and just pay the core charge on a 6 bolt frankenstein engine and built transmission?

    It sounds like the ECUs are virtually the same minus a few wires (and knock sensor) which is not "too" hard to takle. Repinning is tedious but doable. Some rewiring is likely anyways in this situation (sort of like a medium wire tuck job).

    A mediocre GS-T is at least $3k whereas a mediocre (perhaps even not running) RS/GS can be had for under $1k. AWD's pull even more and a lot of that hardware is unusable anyways in this scenario. Also, finding a turbo car without a sunroof has proven extremely difficult. Nonturbo cars without sunroofs are much more readily available.

    Quick list of redo anyway for an Apex:
    Built 4g63
    Build trans
    High HP axles, or at least new OEMs
    Compound turbo (love this idea, period!)
    DSMLink EPROM conversion
    Interior

    Wrecked in the front: doesn't matter
    Wrecked in the rear: might matter depending on severity

    Thoughts or links to related threads would be very welcomed.

    -Jason
     
  21. GRNDSM

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    First of all, Fran decided to go through with this project!!!

    Jason, there is no reason not to go with the NT donor, in fact, as a DSMer, I would prefer you cut up an NT, rather than clean turbo car :). IMO, condition of the car is more important if it is turbo or NT. I can see people picking up a cheap NT for the body and then a beat/rusted turbo car for the rest of the mechanics.

    It is too early to talk about axle upgrades because Fran hasn't decided which transmission he will use (AWD vs FWD).
     
    My DSM:
    1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    Autocross Build

    13.10 @ 101 MPH

    Street Build

    11.74 @ 118 MPH
    1994 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    10.123 @ 138.060 MPH
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  22. jasonnator

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    Hey Leon,

    I'm one of those checking the Apex thread 10 times a day from the beginning. I've read as much as I can about DSMs and love this idea. This forum just has SOOO much stuff on it, I can't seem to find the threads which confirm how/why to get a NA car. I've spent hours reading through my searches but I think I just don't know enough about this platform to narrow it correctly. Would/could you either PM me some applicable info or post it in here?

    The ECU is what I was worried about the most. I've heard some say it is just a Neon ECU and other say it's a GS-T/X with a few wires missing. Which is it? I've even though about MegaSquirt but everyone swears by LINK.

    Nice to see another fellow Apex follower :D
     
  23. boost97gst

    boost97gst Proven Member

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    Im hoping for midengine rwd. Damn thatd b awesome. If its a true 2 seater theres plenty of room to do this
     
  24. GRNDSM

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    If you get an NT body donor (as I suspect most will do), you would junk the 420A harness. You can ether get one from a donor turbo car or just buy one, typical price $100-$120.
     
    My DSM:
    1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    Autocross Build

    13.10 @ 101 MPH

    Street Build

    11.74 @ 118 MPH
    1994 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

    10.123 @ 138.060 MPH
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  25. jasonnator

    jasonnator Probationary Member

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    Awesome, thanks!
     

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