help me choose pistons and rods!

[B1ackout]

heres my setup I wanna run


scat h beam or eagle rods
wiesco (not sure what CR to run) pistons
20g turbo (yes I know theres gonna be lag but I plan to upgrade injectors later)
750cc injectors(93oct pump gas)
dsmlink and maft with 3" gm maf
and possibly a magnus street intake manifold

please help me out guys

heres my build thread nobody has been posting on http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dsm-build-journals/470540-92-eclipse-turbo-5spd-swap-400hp.html

 

[B1ackout]

well I don't wanna go cheap and risk breaking something but I also don't wanna spend my money on a pos if u get what im sayin

 

[boost97gst]

Thanks nitrouskris. Much appreciated. Ill be speaking with Bogus and a number of people before my personal build. Ill stop jacking OPs thread.
OP hope you could gleen some info from the side topics that were covered. Looks like you have plenty of answers on which pistons/rods you should get....... Guess it comes down to who you trust and what your budget is. Best of luck

I can only offer up that my eagle rods have been superb after 4k miles and have gladly taken plenty of 30+ psi 1-3 pulls. No problems there whatsoever. Now im probably only seeing(was seeing) 500crank, maybe a little more on e85, but the rods are surely not bent.

 

[nitrouskris]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ri59rb5I]4G63 PISTONS - YouTube[/ame]

Old Vid I reload sometime ago. Sound lout of it because I was on pain Killers for my knee

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Mahles takeing a crap? Only way i seenthat is from a ring gap welding closed at least thats what i gotta worry about .035 clearance

 

[boost97gst]

My suspicion? What you said, kind of. I have yet to tear the block down but I will be doing it and posting pics in a soon to come build thread. I suspect when the machinist got the ptw clearance wrong. Wild ass guess. Until i see it with my own eyes and post pics, its all guessing. Keep an eye on the build threads, mine will pop up. Garage being built now, then a surgery, then finally get started on the build/swap.

 

[BoostedK]

Very informative thread I was thinking of going Wiseco for my 2.3 build but probably will go with Arias instead.

 

[Phantom DSM]

Cheap Ass - Supertech Pistons and Scat Rods

Budget - Manley Pistons and Rods

If op would like, Pauter rods would be awesome with Arias pistons. I hear 2 weeks on order for pauters, patent x-beam design. Nitrouskris, have you used Pauter or Magnus rods, GRP aluminum?

 

[nitrouskris]

If op would like, Pauter rods would be awesome with Arias pistons. I hear 2 weeks on order for pauters, patent x-beam design. Nitrouskris, have you used Pauter or Magnus rods, GRP aluminum?

Right Friends Evo 4G63 is running Magnus Rods without any problems for two years and it is a standing mile car

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Now here is another thing people dont do when they build there own motors or even some pro guys. Is prepping there pistons. DONT CARE the name they all need to be.

 

[bastarddsm]

Can you get a better picture of the dish of the Arias? is it flat on the bottom or ????? Also are those dishes as deep as they look?

 

[nitrouskris]

Can you get a better picture of the dish of the Arias? is it flat on the bottom or ????? Also are those dishes as deep as they look?

I can..Will post pics in the morning. Just left the Warehouse

 

[motomattx]

I don't think the HD's are bad, but the standard ones are sooo bad, and wiseco was a shit ass about it when mine failed with only like 6000mi on them, that I will never ever run anything wiseco again. Search around and find some JE's on the cheap, or ross's or mahles, or arias. It would be nice if there were some $300 pistons, that were decent. I honestly feel like wiseco's would fail in a stock setup.

If your running JE, you are running Wiseco. Same company.

Proof: Performance Motorsports Inc. - About Us

 

[bastarddsm]

If your running JE, you are running Wiseco. Same company.

Proof: Performance Motorsports Inc. - About Us

It may be owned by wiseco, but it isn't a wiseco piston.

 

[nitrouskris]

If your running JE, you are running Wiseco. Same company.

Proof: Performance Motorsports Inc. - About Us

WRONG



yes they are both own by PMI now. because Wayne Brooks sold JE to them. but the pistons are very diff from each other and QC is also diff. Even with part of JE moving to Ohio they are ran very diff. Wayne Brooks now owns racetec alot of JE guys are now running his stuff http://www.racetecpistons.com/index.htm

Wiseco

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJX_vGJnxi0[/ame]

JE

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLVHdMXk9SU[/ame]


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fei93Gp0vwo[/ame]

Cheap Ass - Supertech Pistons and Scat Rods

Budget - Manley Pistons and Rods

Just want to add this...txted my friend about a motor I did like 2 years ago. With what I label the cheap ass setup. for his fwd auto on meth and it is still together. Car makes under 400ish HP on a superflow dyno

 

[-red97rum-]

Damn, so JE has their "Critical Inspection Lab" for QC on their finished products, impressive.

Wiseco has some guy that dunks 1 in 10 forgings in a bucket of water to "check for defects." No wonder so many wiseco slugs crack and fall apart.

Haha, just kidding, in Wiseco's defense, that video didn't cover their QC procedures. I'm still kicking myself in the ass for buying the set of wiseco's I have sitting on the shelf though. I don't think I can bring myself to build another motor with them and have that "what If" in the back of my mind, waiting for the damn wrist pin boss to crack apart.

 

[97gsxIA]

...Also 400hp is the most you can expect out of a 20g, and thats at the crank not at the wheels, I don't think that setup is going to be enough.

Take a look at my pic:
On a hybrid big16g E85
HP calculator in Link on a smooth curve (crank) granted not the most accurate but on a 20g I could make much more than this....

http://imageshack.us/f/842/5jz6.jpg

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[motomattx]

I have stopped by Wiseco and purchased from them, they are only about an hour from me. JE is definately in the same area, and some of the JE stuff is made on the same line right next to the Wiseco by the same people . There is differences in the castings between the two, otherwise there wouldnt be two brands. I'm not a JE fan at all, seen too many collapsed skirts on them and the quality and finish of them in general just doesnt look as good, mind you this was before they were sold to the new parent company. I would have to say that the only reason that you are seeing more Wiseco failures here then JE is because Wiseco sells 100 pistons to every JE that sells for the 4g63 so there is more of them out there.

 

[boost97gst]

JE 10:1s sound like a good safe bet. Not to mention they cost less than wiseco's HD line. I think ive made a choice based on this thread. Thanks to all who contributed horror stories about wiseco .

 

[Awd-laser]

I did wiseco 8.5:1 on eagle rods and my setup has been strong for the passed 3 1/2 years the last 1 1/2 I have been on e85 pushing about 20-25psi. She is holding together pretty well.

 

[motomattx]

Good to see that you have made a choice. Is the poll closed now or?

 

[B1ackout]

im just going to leave the poll open so it gets more accurate over time, and the more votes it gets the better the decision someone can make when looking for a decent piston/rod combo

 

[nitrouskris]

Can you get a better picture of the dish of the Arias? is it flat on the bottom or ????? Also are those dishes as deep as they look?

I ended up selling the Arias kit the very next morning. Just waiting for a new set to come it and I will also post another pic of another Piston Brand we have been retesting in a 4G63 Motor and a LS Motor

 

[boost97gst]

Its weird right? The poll shows wiseco/eagle in the lead yet if you read the thread and the little twist it took, wiseco's took a beating by a number of users. Still have yet to hear a failure from a wiseco HD user but nonetheless, that may be enough to sway the OP,othes, even me, away from using wiseco.


OP: When you Do choose, let us know the combo you;'ll be running

 

[motomattx]

My choice would be Pauter/Wiseco or Pauter/Mahl.

 

[B1ackout]

im gonna go with a manley and arias setup

 

[jery1234]

I run my 2g auto dd 2.3 l with mahle-eagle 10.5 cr @42 psi for 2 years now .