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Ford/Chrysler 1600/160lb injectors

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benjimatt

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Oct 21, 2007
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Hey I read about a couple of people on different forums using these injectors for their hondas and dsms.

These come out of all of the older Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) cars. crown victoria etc...

I just ordered some of these and I figured that I would be the dummy to see if these injectors are a good cheap alternative for us probably better for e85 users.

4 of these injectors cost me 151$ shipped.

DEADTIMES FOR DSMLINK (FIC/Bosch/Ford 1600 -72 450 ) OR (FIC/Bosch/Ford -54 315)

Ford injectors (should have a Ford logo embossed on them):

Bosch part # 0 280 150 839, Ford part # XL3E-C5A. Light green top (aqua).

Bosch part # 0 280 150 846, Ford part # F5TE-B5A. Light gray top (white).


Chrysler injectors (should have a Chrysler pentastar logo embossed on them):

Bosch part # 0 280 150 837. Brow top.

Bosch part # 0 280 150 843. Blue top. Both share Chrysler part # 53030518 or 53030518AB.

Here are the 160 lb injectors that I am aware of:

Ford Motorcraft/Bosch: 0280150846 F5TE-B5A White Top

Bosch: 0280150839 Aqua Top

Bosch: 0280150837 Brown Top

FMS/FRPP: 150 lb M-9593-E303

Here we go guys.

this site can help, it talks about cleaning
DIY Fuel Injector Cleaning

Anyways these injectors look good. All together I paid $171 shipped :)

So to make these injectors fit there has to be two modifications. These injectors have a pintle (I think thats what its called, the yellow hat :) ) on them so you need to either trim the edge off or take the entire thing off. I decided to take the edge of. Its like cutting the edges off of the hat. The only reason you do this is to make the insulator go farther onto the injector.

The next thing you need to modify is the fuel rail or the top of the injector. To modify the fuel rail your going to have to make part of the rubber part fit into the rail
I think i'm going to cut the rubber part of the every top of the injector rubber. Or I was thinking that if we could find a oring that is a little bigger it may work.

Im still testing these right now and trying to get them into the fuel rail.


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LOL no worries i did :D

I like seeing the different perspectives its pretty funny actually how different the boards are.

Anyways since my order was over $99 they are supposed to have it shipped next day air with ups. So we will see what happens.
 
Care to say where you ordered from?
I'm very interested to see if they work!
Do you have any pics? Are they low impedance?
 
This is where I got the injectors from. I dont mind sharing the source.

INJECTOR WHSE Home Page OEM Fuel Injectors, Diesel Fuel Injectors

The part number I used was 53030518AB (53030518 they are the supposed to be the same injectors.)

If im not mistaken they are low impedance injectors.

Im supposed to recieve them in a couple of days so you may want to wait to make sure they will work at all LOL.
 
Recieved the injectors today. The top has been updated
 
From a honda forum

I just changed the O-Ring to a Honda style, and then ground down the outter part of the tip with a dremel. Worked fine for many years now....

ANother forum
its easy to modify the bosche or these to fit in the stock rails if necessary... 10mins with a dremel and a razor blade. Also I think most if not all high capacity injectors are low impedence, and the ones that are high impedence are likely bored out versions.

Rx7 forum
i just installed a set on my stock fuel rail. I had to dremel both the upper part where the grommet sits and had to grind off the rim of the "hat" on the nozzle to get them to fit. If you hold it next to a stock injector, you will see what you need to take off. I also had to double up the small o-ring that goes on the top

Rx7 forum
The tops need to be ground a little bit so they recess into the rail far enough. Some careful bench grinding does the trick.

Well it looks like I will be taking out the dremel and taking car of the top of the injector :) (oh wait I dont have a dremel)
 
WTF!!!! I'm so pissed right now...what a bunch of bullshit.

I did hours and hours of research on these injectors, but kept most of the info to myself because it seemed like only a few people knew about it, and I wanted to guinea pig myself before telling everyone else to buy them. Last month, I ordered the 0 280 150 839 (Ford Crown Victoria CNG injectors) for the same price you bought them for, and got a call that they could get them, but the price would be twice as much. I canceled my order, since you can get them cheaper off Ebay. They have since changed the online price to reflect that - you'll notice the 839s are $60 a piece and the 837s are only $35 still. I guess it is my fault for not checking on the Chrysler ones...but man, what a bummer. Oh well, since the info is already posted here anyway, I'll add what I have as well. I've collected the info from various sources, so if something is not accurate, I apologize:

Ford Crown Victoria 4.6L CNG injectors

Ford part# F5TE-B5A FJ231
XL3E-C5A
Chrylser 53030518
Bosch Part# 0 280 150 846
0 280 150 837
0 280 150 839
0 280 150 842
Motorcraft #CM4980 (4803)
Accel 74160
FAST 3016000, 3016004, 3016006, 3016008
Marren 05160
GB REMANUFACTURING Part # 82211133
AIRTEX Part # 4G1256
STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # FJ231

Bosch
0280150842-1580cc -Indy Blue tops
## unusual 4.5 ohms
( 14mm top, 16mm bottom )
apparently also marketed as -
* Accel 74160
* FAST 3016000
* Marren 05160
* Marren 051600PI ( 11mm rail fit )

US Ford motorsport fit part

Bosch
0280150846 - 1650 cc -white tops
( 14mm top, 16mm bottom )
## unusual 4.5 ohms
is reputedly similar as the earlier blue
[ but alcohol, CNG and LPG vapour compatible ]
( some tests rate them as only 1300 cc )
the blue is a ford USA motorsport item, hence the indy term
the white is a specialised alcohol injector, with heavy pintle , a little slower than the rest
Ford PN:
Ford XL3E-C9A / Ford XL3Z-9F593A
motorcraft - MICM4980

US ford CNG fit part

Bosch
0280150839-1600cc -Aqua tops
( 14mm top, 16mm bottom )
## unusual 4.5 ohms
[ alcohol, CNG and LPG vapour compatible ]
US Ford CNG fit part

Bosch
0280150837-1580cc-Brown tops
( 14mm top, 16mm bottom )
## unusual 4.5 ohms
[ alcohol, CNG and LPG vapour compatible ]
US Chrysler CNG fit part

And on that note, I just ordered another set, this time of the 837s (the ones you got). Hopefully, all goes well and I won't get another phone call this time.
 
Lol thats funny because I was going to keep it to myself too but I know that I have been looking for cheap 1600 injectors for like 3 weeks and I barely had any luck so I figured I could help some people out LOL.

Order the 53030518 Injectors. The 53030518AB are sold out. If you order from the site I did they give you 2 or 3 day shipping for free. There is actaully Like 3 other places you can order from.

$53.46
$51.00
$39.95
$51.00
$53.46

These are all of the other prices from different sites. So they are still getting up there in price. But the fact is that At most you will pay like $212 which is very cheap for Remanufactured or rebuilt injectors that flow 1600cc.

Anyways Thanks for the info :) Im going to walmart tomorrow to rent a dremel :D
 
quick dumb question...so the purpose of using these injectors are 1600's on the cheap? do these gunk up with e85?

I dont think these will gunk up with e85. They are made to hold alcohol and CNG. YEs these are very very cheap compared to getting 1600 injectors from a dsm vendor.
 
You do realize that say, FIC 1600's(non bluemax) are the same thing right? I realize they are cheaper this way, just sayin...

Yeah thats what ive heard. I love the cheap price though LOL. Added dsmlink deadtimes up top
 
This is from a galant vr4 website

I you are get a set of 1600cc injectors say right from Ford or some place that sells them this is what you have to do to make them fit

Also need these mods:

Factory rail : 17/32" drill 7mm deep - use yellow o-ring (bottom O-ring that comes with injector) instead of the blue one. Perfect fit.

DSM style pintle cap - according to my notes NAPA # 2-15019 $.50 or so

DSM insulator : MD087060

FIC change's the injector a little to make it fit.

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That is one way to make them fit.
Or you can just have them turned down and use a factory oring in the rail.
For the bottom you can just take the pintle cap off and use a factory insulator inplace of the oring thats on it. You dont need the pintle cap.
FIC must have more than one supplier for thier 1600`s because a friend of mine has a set of FIC 1600`s and they are Delphi ball and disk injectors just like thier 850`s and 950`s.

Anyways they are a great injector and unbeatable for the price.
 
I just decided to grind down some of the rubber so that I can still use the stock o-rings.

Here is what I did. Now they fit in the stock injectors and I use stock o-rings and insulators

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So far these are really hard to tune :-( The idle is super rough. So im going to try and lower my base fuel pressure to 30 and see where that gets me.
 
I dont think these will gunk up with e85. They are made to hold alcohol and CNG. YEs these are very very cheap compared to getting 1600 injectors from a dsm vendor.

Yes they will still gunk up when using certain brand E85. Pintle style injectors like the ones you are using are known for getting stuck closed when the car sits. I know because I use these same type injectors with E85 and have noticed the problem for a while. The FIC bluemax also suffer from gunk up but apparently are less prone to sticking shut.
 
So far these are really hard to tune :-( The idle is super rough. So im going to try and lower my base fuel pressure to 30 and see where that gets me.

Are you on gas or ethanol? Also I have had good luck with these using deadtimes in the 600's. A lot of other people also have had good luck running the dead time around where I run mine.
 
Im understanding that the gunk comes from essentially cleaning out the old lines and the fuel filter but luckily I replaced all lines and and the fuel filter. My car was already running on e85 with 750s for about a month.

Yeah im running e85 not gasoline. No I havent tried the deadtime that high just yet. I guess ill try that. I havent even tried wot of cruise just yet.

But I do also want to try the lower base pressure.
 
Just want to chime in. I have been running these injectors for about 2 months on straight e85 here in Boston. They are a nightmare to tune LOL but they haven't shut closed yet. I'm just wondering what global and deadtime you are using too. I know on the link forums people have had some success with a globle in the -60's but deadtime is all over the place. You may also want to check your timing. Timing at 1k or lower on these bad boys will make them surge like no other. If you have any inputs or progress put them in here so we can compare. My car is going in for a tune today so I should be able to post up results in a couple of days. Let's see what a professional can do with these injectors not a newb like me :).
 
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