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5th Gear Pop-out, I searched already...

Posted by nighthawk355x, Dec 21, 2006
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  1. nighthawk355x

    nighthawk355x Proven Member

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    I've been searching and I can't find what I'm looking for. My car pops 5th when you accelerate, it'll go in fine, no grinding at all, it stays in when you're coasting but when you accelerate it pops out.

    I've seen a few posts on it when I searched but none had what I was looking for. I realize it may need a rebuild, but I'm not going to just jump in and do it without exploring the simpler options. That said, I heard there's a problem with something coming loose on 5th and all you have to do is pop the trans cover off, tighten it, and you're good. And to me it sounds like something is loose.

    Well, that's fine, but does anyone have a link to the steps in doing it or pics of what I need to be looking at? I found a few links but none work anymore.
     
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  2. DSM-Talon-John

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    That usually means the gear is out and you need a new 5th gear, my dads old bronco did that in 3rd gear and then went on to 4th. you might wanna get it fixed before it gets to where you cant drive.
     
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  3. nighthawk355x

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    I plan on it, but I want to explore the cheaper fix first, just in case. If the gear were completely shot it should pop out all the time, even when you coast.

    With this it stays in gear fine, but only when you're coasting or slowing down in gear.
     
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  4. spinz4

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    Just pull the end cap off of the tranny and check and see what's going on. Its only 6 bolts maybe seven.
     
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    yes you got it pop the end cap off tighten down the big nut, make sure that it did not jump all the way off and destroy your gear fluid gally. This should help alot.
     
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  6. 1gcrazy

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    Oh yeah just pull off half your car and tighten a nut... You'll be good to go if you could only get to that ONE nut....:thumb:

    Sorry guys....I am really trying to resist here....eeek aarg...I can't do it......SUBMIT!
     
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  7. Defiant

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    http://www.geocities.com/qwik93awd/Vfaq/shifter.htm
     
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  8. 1gcrazy

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    Perfect! I retract my statement...except i'm gonna leave it there...
     
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  9. nighthawk355x

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    Thanks defiant! That's exactly what I was looking for!
     
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    is this a common occurance in all dsm trannies or just 1g trannies? Also does it only affect the 5th gear?
     
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    It can also affect reverse.
     
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  12. nighthawk355x

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    From what I've been reading it's both 1g and 2g cars, mine's a 2g and it has the problem, and in the link defiant left it was a 1g.
     
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  13. Rex2342

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    Definitely get that taken care of. Taking the cover off is allot easier than putting in a new transmission. Even if it's not the cause it's still better to be safe than sorry. That is what happened to mine before I bought it. The nut backed off and it cracked the cover spilling all the fluid out. Eventually the trans locked up while the previous owner was driving it. Actually the one that I replaced it with had a cracked cover too. The previous owner of my new trans had it happen too but caught and repaired it before it did any serious damage.
     
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  14. nighthawk355x

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    Fixed it today! That was the problem, I've got 5th now and every other gear is easier to shift now. I need a few trans parts, but it's fixed.
     
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    I got the same problem with my Shep stg2 tranny. I am going to check it.
     
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    Hey folks. I'm glad I found this thread.

    I have a similar issue that 4th gear will pop out. I can get around this by making sure I double clutch into 4th (which actually has greatly improved my rpm matching, almost don't need the speedo anymore since i know what rpm in what gear is what speed - but i digress).

    The vfaq seems to indicate this would only effect 5th gear? Can loose bolts cause 4th to pop, with seemingly no issue in 5th?

    Tnx in advance folks.
     
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    I'd start checking Shifter Cable adjustments at both ends & Cable Tranny Bracket fasteners.
     
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    sometimes 1st will pop out for me. (alot lately) big PITA in city driving
    the cables look ok, but how much play should there be?
     
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    Like BUCK said... first (and easiest) thing to check is shifter cable adjustment.

    After replacing my 5th gear and removing the reverse brake synchro, my car popped out of 5th constantly under acceleration. Turned out to be the shifter cable just needed a little adjustment.
     
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    When doing this procedure, would putting in Synchromesh fluid be advised when re-filling the tranny with fluid?
     
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  21. BUCK

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    Personally I went with Synthetic in Tranny & Rear End w/no problems - But there are 500 Thread WARS on that subject...
     
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  22. Calan

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    A million threads on Synchromesh... opinions vary. It's usually recommended on tight (rebuilt) trannys if you are shifting fast. For normal driving on an older (more loose) tranny, I prefer something thicker, as it helps quiet any gear lash.

    BTW - I don't believe it mentions it in the article, but those nuts are not reusable. If you do this, I would recommend picking up a couple of new ones from Mitsu.

    On a semi-related note:

    Make sure your reverse light switch (top of tranny, towards passenger end) is tightened properly and with the correct spacer. It rides on the 5th/reverse shift fork and can cause problems with 5th engagement if it's too tight. Too loose, and your reverse lights won't work.
     
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  23. 95CarbonEclipse

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    What's this "something thicker" you speak of??
     
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  24. Calan

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    I believe I'm running Valvoline 75W-90 right now (maybe 140). I'll have to check what's in my garage cabs when I get home :)

    Synchromesh has a thinner viscosity than most other oils of the same weight.
     
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    My reverse pops out sometimes. Sounds like this could fix it. Thanks for the accidental advice.
     
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