Drag Race Build 1990 Eagle Talon TSI. FP Black, Automatic.

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I had my first dsm in 2003 and have been hooked ever since, I picked up this Talon in 2008 for $700 with collision damage and drove it for several years stock, I decided to build my first drag oriented dsm and this was the canvas I had to work with.



I have always wanted a bolt-on Forced Performance turbo and Extreme Turbo Systems intercooler kit, back in the day on my first dsm I had a Dejon front mount that was basically two stock sidemounts welded to endtanks with a big gap in the middle of the cores. They called it toothy because it made the dsm look like it had two big front teeth! This time around I wanted to use parts that I had only dreamed of in the past, I also wanted to ditch the manual tansmission for an automatic, I'm old and was burned out on the dsm manual transmission that I always had problems with and never really enjoyed using. So an automatic swap was a must, and I have never been to the track so I just wanted to make everything as easy as I could to be somewhat consistent as a novice.

I first stripped everything down and repaired as much body damage as I could before sending it to the professionals and eventually having a cage fabricated for it prior to paint. As you can see this is one rough Eagle! But I am not one of those people that buy 13 cars in two years and go through them like toilet paper like these hipsters now. Dedicated and determined!

 

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Here is some of the junk I removed! this interior was as bad as the exterior!

Removing all of the sound deadining and insulation with dry ice and a propane torche in some areas, I must say I was very surprised how well dry ice worked though!

Pulled off the useless busted door, will find one at a wrecking yard

Sanded all the rust off and coated with self etching primer until the body shop gets to it, I do not have the skill to repair this dent

 

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Some parts from the build.

Gotta thank Kiggly Racing for making products available for us to use! Picked up an auto trans, t-case, rear differential etc... from a wrecking yard in Seattle, decided to pull the engine too while I was there that way I can drive it to the body shop etc.. and not need a tow and get the other block machined.

 

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So my plan as the title states is to run an auto FP Black, with a 2.0 Liter on ethanol. Once I am used to being at the track and become a proficient driver I want to run a mid mount compound turbo setup, I do not want to use nitrous to stall whatever converter I end up with and I will hopefully be Kevin Jewers mini-me hahahha.

This is a first for me in just about every aspect, and my first build thread so please bare with my thread etiquette as I have never had one before, just lurked for a decade and some years. I do plan to have a torque plate for the machine work so I ordered one and I also have a Kiggly Girdle not pictured.

Nothing too exciting but its so awesome the amount of products available for our cars these days, even though to most it is a dead platform, there were so many hack job parts in the early 2000's from companies that came and went, really grateful that there are so many options. I am not a welder or fabricator at all I am not good at that stuff so it makes it easier for people like me who still enjoy their cars.

 

[ThunderChild]

Looks like it'll be a sweet setup when done. Pretty similar to my end goal for my car. good luck with it!

 

[DetroitStroker]

Very cool bud. No offense but I see super clean rollers cheap now a days, you have your work cut out for you! Looks very good so far. Good luck through winter

 

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@DetroitStroker I know... I know... I was tempted to look for others without this much damage but could not pull the trigger. I have taken it to a few bodyshops and one just looked at it and said "Nope.... we dont do that" hahaha, others have said they dont see the value in it as well.

Ideally I would have picked up another shell but I shipped this from Washington to Texas and back to Washington so I could not part with it.

@tametalon92 Thanks for the encouragement! Is there a shop in Spokane that builds drag cars? Had a buddy that lived there and I think there was a shop with a dyno/fabricator that started with a K... Kai something. Maybe not but just reminded me of it.

 

[DetroitStroker]

Was the future plans of a mid mount compound going to consist of the FP black mounted in the primary position still?

 

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@DetroitStroker Yes, I would need another manifold with a wastegate provision so I would loose the FP Manifold and O2 housing then I would have the internal w/g welded shut as well and source a 70-80mm turbo with a small enough turbine housing to work with or I will use a 13g/19t/small 16g as the primary and the FP Black as the secondary but all mounted in the engine bay.

rrussell has or had a mid mount compound setup with an FP Black as the secondary and 13g as the primary and had instant boost, instant torque from one of his threads that I followed, he literally had the FP Black mounted behind the drivers seat! Super cool!

Either way I would be paying someone for the fab work becuase I cant weld so nice! haaha! Have you ever put together a compound setup yourself? Love talking turbo stuff! Something even cooler would be twin primary turbos with all four exhaust ports divided into eight, one per valve and two smaller turbine housings matched to a much larger secondary something like this old Renault engine.

 

[DetroitStroker]

Wow that Renault engine is very neat and I can now see the rabbit hole of information tonight starting to open. I will be looking that up.



As far as compounds go; Ive had a similar thought to use a 14b with an hx52 or hx40 and have considered mid mount as well; but would probably go with a forward facing. Im more heavily considering a tube front end and going to a Honda radiator.


But every time I start thinking of my personal "goals" - people have reached them and far surpassed with single turbos and I start to believe I'm adding too much headache. That FP black is a 9 second turbo!

 

[ThunderChild]

@Operate
There's not a specific drag shop, but there are a couple tuning places, and Hollands Performance is located here. I believe the place you're thinking of is Kaizen Speed? never dealt with them personally, and dont know much about them, besides a bunch of the 240 crowd get there cars tuned by email.

I'll have to look, but I may have some parts off a car sitting in my yard, rear 1/4 etc. theres also the pull-n-save yards in spokane here that have a few dsms every so often, get alot of my spare parts there.

 

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Yeah The exhaust manifold is incredible on that Renault must be inconel, Mid mount leaves a lot of room for intercooling of the low pressure turbo so the high pressure turbo can compress the air and have it intercooled again. From what I've picked up on from lurking on different threads ideally having both compressors as close to their efficiency as they can be with the help of staged intercooling helps with keeping the high temps down. and you are right to have it up front a tube front end would be a must that is what convinced me on attempting a mid mount setup.

Here is rrussell's mid mount, its three or four posts down. Yes in capable hands it could be a 9 second turbo but I need all the help I can get!

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216811&page=59

 

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I've gone through his build and I'm no expert; but I feel all of that charge piping goes against the principal of compounding by adding some lag due to the volume of air being moved before finally entering the engine.


If your willing to loose the top radiator support and driver headlight - I think a front facing large frame would be extremely doable just like some of the big HP guys do. I also think that a A2W intercooler and Honda half radiator could all fit up front while retaining power steering....


A 14b/TS hx40 would be nice. Maybe 50/lbs min by 3500-4000rpm? That would be my only goal

 

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Repaired some minor damage on the passenger side and used some guide coat and wet sanded all the high spots down smooth.

Pulled the sunroof, going to cut the roof off another dsm that does not have one so the body shop can make it right! Pulled the seats out so I could get out the dash easier, going to put the drivers back when I drive it to the body shop and the cluster etc. so it runs and drives. Its hard to believe I drove this for years and shipped it across the U.S. a few times!

Some parts are here for viewing pleasure too!

Trying these fancy gaskets for the first time, If the head comes off when the motor is done due to whatever I will likely go back to composite or oem MLS in the future.

Gates Kevlar and water pump!

I super dig Extremepsi! They really have helped carry the platform for a long time.

No way am I using the old crusty fuel pump hanger gasket!

Simple -6 kit from Extremepsi makes it easy on me!

Walbro 450lph

Jay Racing is awesome too! They picked up where taboo speed shop left off and make awesome parts for the 4G63!

Went to the wrecking yard today and picked up some stuff! More updates to come.

 

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Back from the body shop, they repaired the major damage from the two collisions that the car had.

It was fun driving the car to the body shop with no glass, hood or fenders! Now I will be stripping it down further for the cage builder to be able to access what he needs and then it will go off to another body shop to have the roof removed and non sunroof welded in and finally the paint.

Pulled the engine and drivetrain.

Next stop is the welders shop!

Before

After

 

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Some hard parts from the engine.

New OEM Rockers

GSC S2 and everything else

 

[92AWDHX40]

Sweet my top vendor extreme psi. I met Jay a nice guy from Ohio. Keep us posted.

 

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Yup Love extremepsi! Will do making good progress.

 

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Cage Is In!

I am super pumped! Moar parts too!

Short update I know, car will be off to paint soon and get a new roof skin, and now I can get some parts off to the machine shop!

 

[boostdawd]

Nice build! Quality parts right there from a reputtable vendor!

 

[RipperXX]

Very nice.

 

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Thanks fellas, more progress updates coming!

 

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The paint shop was right up the street from me so they towed it to my house after it was done, I put some components on to get some room in the garage it looks funny with the oem wheels but once it is all done it should look good, I do plan on wrapping the roof and side pillars with carbon fiber vinyl and eventually have some kind of awesome livery on the car.

 

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4" ETS Race Kit I am super happy with the results and piping, Been wanting this kit for years!

Tial 50mm BOV and 44mm Wastegate.

FP Goodies!!

Wanted an FP turbo since like 2003!

Podi VEI gauges, they are pretty cool, they can display two gauges per unit with peak/warning features etc..

 

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Some newer gauge overlays

Innovate LC2

Gonna need this for making a new harness!

AAAAAAANNNNNNNDDD.... Block is machined, .20 over bore and honed with the JMF torque plate and L19's torqued to 90ftlbs and the Kiggly girdle with ARP studs and main caps were torqued for the bore and hone as well. Line honed the mains and decked the block, oem crank was balanced and polished with the rotating assembly etc..