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Yeah, no time to waste on enjoying the moment!!! :p Do tell!
 
Yeah, no time to waste on enjoying the moment!!! :p Do tell!
Now that I got the engine situation figured out....I would say I "get it" Like I said ive been doing my homework and working on my tuning. I managed no knock and 550 awhp on a mustang dyno.....im pretty proud of myself to be honest as I kept to my word from day 1. Im waiting for my block from the machinist once that's back im going to build the lower end with the manley turbo tuffs and je 10:1s. This will be the oring motor. I have the parts for over a year so its no extra cost. My real issue is my drivetrain. Im almost done saving for my ppg dogbox and 300m transfer case. Whats the point of having all this power if it doesn't translate to fast ets? I could of easily added 6-7 psi turned on the meth and made 700hp but that's just a number , who cares. Once I get the transmission sorted, throw in a inline pump my car should be good for 10s, maybe high 9s. Next goal is to get into the 10s without grenading my transmission.
 
Yep man the clutch and transmission are a very delicate piece of the go fast puzzle that I either A) just had a bad experience with, or B) just don't have the money (yet) that it really takes to get something that will put it down and not give me problems at around the same power levels I respectfully assume. Love the plan!!
 
Now that I got the engine situation figured out....I would say I "get it" Like I said ive been doing my homework and working on my tuning. I managed no knock and 550 awhp on a mustang dyno.....im pretty proud of myself to be honest as I kept to my word from day 1. Im waiting for my block from the machinist once that's back im going to build the lower end with the manley turbo tuffs and je 10:1s. This will be the oring motor. I have the parts for over a year so its no extra cost. My real issue is my drivetrain. Im almost done saving for my ppg dogbox and 300m transfer case. Whats the point of having all this power if it doesn't translate to fast ets? I could of easily added 6-7 psi turned on the meth and made 700hp but that's just a number , who cares. Once I get the transmission sorted, throw in a inline pump my car should be good for 10s, maybe high 9s. Next goal is to get into the 10s without grenading my transmission.
That's awesome ams. Even more so on a mustang dyno. With a great driving mod and practice I do my see why u wouldn't break low 10s or even high 9s. Are u planning on doing any weight savings?
 
That's awesome ams. Even more so on a mustang dyno. With a great driving mod and practice I do my see why u wouldn't break low 10s or even high 9s. Are u planning on doing any weight savings?
No weight saving, im not interested in stripping my talon, its a one owner beauty, ive removed the bumper supports front and back but that's about it. Full interior, if im up to it I might remove the spare LOL.
 
So what fuel was this with?
pump e85....I love this freaking stuff. c16 is a great fuel an all but the lead just f***s up all your sensors...its not worth it. With e85 you have the cost factor (cheap) , etoh's amazing ability to reduce heat and its high octane level. The only downside I see is its not available everywhere, its hydrophilic and my gas mileage is complete dog shit. I also noticed its knock threshold although higher than pump or race gas is more difficult to read ....in my opinion anyway. Im still learning and Raif was in a rush. I was very very rich during spool up, I have a feeling I could of gained significant torque/hp by leaning it out. At peak torque i was running 3* of timing ramping to 13*. Up top I managed a low 11 afr. I saw 1 small blip of knock but only registered for 100 rpm and 0.4 deg of retard at 6700. From 3k-6k I was high 10s low 11s. I mighta hit 600+ if given the time to really go through my tune. These are my observations and my opinions obviously so I could be talking outta my ass as im a new "tuner" :idontknow: Actions always speak louder than words. So we will see. Id like to get to the point were im able to do this on the side for money. This isn't work for me.....I truly love working on cars.
 
3* @ 6500 and with redline at what 8500? Is it set to ramp to 8* by 7500 and 13* at 8500?
 
3* @ 6500 and with redline at what 8500? Is it set to ramp to 8* by 7500 and 13* at 8500?
initially I had it a 4* at 5500 and ramping it up slowly. I was at 5-6* at 6500 and 13 by 7500. Before the dyno I really didn't know where my peak torque was because I hadn't done a full 3rd gear pull. I switched it around a bit and pick up 50hp/torque . I increased the timing in the 5-5500 range by a few * , lowered my timing in the 6-6500 by a few and ramped to 13 degrees at 7500. I wish I had more time, I could of got some more acceleration by leaning out my mixture down low and played with my cam gears.
 
Another local guy nice, raif is definitely the man.
He knows his 4g63, too expensive for my blood, thats why i chose to build and tune the motor myself. You want a shortblock assembled your looking at 1000 bucks. Building motors is so easy, I dont know why it scares so many people
 
He knows his 4g63, too expensive for my blood, thats why i chose to build and tune the motor myself. You want a shortblock assembled your looking at 1000 bucks. Building motors is so easy, I dont know why it scares so many people
I have used him for transmission work, and a welded center diff. He was very reasonable priced for that stuff
 
Very gratifying when you do your own and get it in.....time to turn the key.....will it start.....THEN
Vroom!!! YAY!!! That is the BEST feeling! :D
 
pump e85....I love this freaking stuff. c16 is a great fuel an all but the lead just f***s up all your sensors...its not worth it. With e85 you have the cost factor (cheap) , etoh's amazing ability to reduce heat and its high octane level. The only downside I see is its not available everywhere, its hydrophilic and my gas mileage is complete dog sh**. I also noticed its knock threshold although higher than pump or race gas is more difficult to read ....in my opinion anyway. Im still learning and Raif was in a rush. I was very very rich during spool up, I have a feeling I could of gained significant torque/hp by leaning it out. At peak torque i was running 3* of timing ramping to 13*. Up top I managed a low 11 afr. I saw 1 small blip of knock but only registered for 100 rpm and 0.4 deg of retard at 6700. From 3k-6k I was high 10s low 11s. I mighta hit 600+ if given the time to really go through my tune. These are my observations and my opinions obviously so I could be talking outta my ass as im a new "tuner" :idontknow: Actions always speak louder than words. So we will see. Id like to get to the point were im able to do this on the side for money. This isn't work for me.....I truly love working on cars.


I hope you aren't going off the knock sensor for your knock readings. The factory KS doesn't PU knock on e85 like it does with pump gas, and if you are seeing real knock with e85, it's usually too late.

E85 can be awesome magic juice, but it has it's drawbacks as well. When things go wrong with it, they really go wrong.
 
I'm not sure where that came from. My knock sensors have always worked on e85.

There are 2 issues. First you can create some really high cylinder pressures on e85 without detonation, second no matter what the fuel detonation at 30+ psi usually hurts parts.

Knock at pumpgas power levels is going to tend to be less damaging.
 
Some interesting info I have see before:

"the ping sound that alcohol fuels make is of a different pitch and is often missed my the knock sensor. that gives you the false feeling of being able to add more timing and go leaner until that surprise blow up."

Also the magician himself, Curt Brown shares the same opinion.

I know I know, opinions are like a-holes.

Just saying, don't think e85 is the be all end all. It's worked well for me, but also has its shortcomings.
 
Fuel has nothing to do with knock frequency. It's based on bore size.

I and many others have dealt with detonation being picked up by the knock sensor on e85.


Yeah, mine picked up knock too when the vac line to the map sensor came off at 35psi during a launch and detonated the sh** out of ever cylinder. I don't believe I said the knock sensor doesn't register knock at all.
 
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