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enriquez2000 · Oct 8, 2015

Some have seen my trials and tribulations with innovate 02... well i did valve seals and new turbo so no oil being burned and im not running rich, but im only getting 500 or less miles out of the sensor. Innovate puts all blame on me of course but im beyond frustrated.

Is there something better that will work well with link?

SasaniFab · Oct 10, 2015

so your sensor was working perfecting Until you added e85?

enriquez2000 · Oct 10, 2015

amsrn13 said:
so your sensor was working perfecting Until you added e85?

Not perfect.. but not as bad as this

lasthope05 · Oct 10, 2015

It seems pretty simple to isolate if you have another wideband you can swap out. Just switch the two systems around. If you have issues with the honda after you'll know its the controller.

GST with PSI · Oct 10, 2015

enriquez2000 said:
-Can you verify the heater circuit is function properly?

No when the o2 goes i have just swapped it out and it works for a bit again

This concerns me. Don't you have a little LED wired into the circuit? The LED is used to check the sensor operation. I usually let mine warm up before I actually start the car. As soon as I turn on the ignition, the LED will blink, indicating the sensor is warming up. Once the sensor is warm, the LED will stay lit. At that point, the sensor is warm, and I start the car. The whole process probably takes 20 seconds or less.

If your sensor does not function exactly as described above, there's an issue. E85 should have almost zero effect on the sensor. My guess would be there's probably an issue with the O2 sensor's heater circuit, which keeps the sensor from operating correctly, significantly shortening the life of the sensor.

enriquez2000 · Oct 10, 2015

My 02 sensor rins directly to the mtxl. When it turns on in goes into HTR mode for about 20seconds then reads the o2 sensor. Innovates directions say not to warm it before starting the car so mine comes on when car turns on warms up then reads.

GST with PSI · Oct 10, 2015

OK, that sounds right then.

What circuit are you powering the heater from?

Also, after your sensor goes bad, have you tried the free air calibration to see if that fixes the issue?

enriquez2000 · Oct 10, 2015

I use the accesory on wire under the dash. Free air calibration does nothing once its dead i can let car sit over night and it works for about 5 min. New sensor will work for a few days(car gets 60miles a day) then repeat

bastarddsm · Oct 10, 2015

I had similar issues with my lc1. Mine never quit during regular driving, but it would error out in the middle of a pass. I bought an autometer wideband and it has been basically flawless. I only have 2 complaints.
1. No nb output.
2. Sometimes it takes forever to warm up. But the sensor is like 2years old now.

Before the lc1 I had a jaw, and it was a major pile of shit too

enriquez2000 · Oct 11, 2015

GST with PSI said:
This concerns me. Don't you have a little LED wired into the circuit? The LED is used to check the sensor operation. I usually let mine warm up before I actually start the car. As soon as I turn on the ignition, the LED will blink, indicating the sensor is warming up. Once the sensor is warm, the LED will stay lit. At that point, the sensor is warm, and I start the car. The whole process probably takes 20 seconds or less.

If your sensor does not function exactly as described above, there's an issue. E85 should have almost zero effect on the sensor. My guess would be there's probably an issue with the O2 sensor's heater circuit, which keeps the sensor from operating correctly, significantly shortening the life of the sensor.

What would be the htr circuit issue? The controller itself right? Thats where innovate argues with me

EC17PSE · Oct 11, 2015

How is this wired up for power aswell as mine used to not read correctly if i had too much if a power draw and i had to then give it its own power source rather then splitting it! This could be a fault with power readings!

Why does innovate tell you to not warm the sensor up! Ive been told differently by them and im pretty sure my instructions even said warm it up before starting to stop the extra fuel from startup damaging the sensor! Have you tried a new sensor and then always warmed the sensor up to see if this is your issue! Too much fuel will kill sensors fast and i would like to bet this is part of your problem.

You can always send it back to them to test the circuits and see if anything is faulty or not. Rather then keep buying sensors and writing here you could have had an answer by now 100% rather then us all guessing at it for days on end LOL

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enriquez2000 · Oct 11, 2015

ec17pse said:
How is this wired up for power aswell as mine used to not read correctly if i had too much if a power draw and i had to then give it its own power source rather then splitting it! This could be a fault with power readings!

Why does innovate tell you to not warm the sensor up! Ive been told differently by them and im pretty sure my instructions even said warm it up before starting to stop the extra fuel from startup damaging the sensor! Have you tried a new sensor and then always warmed the sensor up to see if this is your issue! Too much fuel will kill sensors fast and i would like to bet this is part of your problem.

You can always send it back to them to test the circuits and see if anything is faulty or not. Rather then keep buying sensors and writing here you could have had an answer by now 100% rather then us all guessing at it for days on end .

How would it be too much fuel when my afrs are 14.7 idle and 12 wot?

This is from the manual on prewarming.

EC17PSE · Oct 11, 2015

I ment too much fuel on start up as that runs rich and anything from 10.0 onwards so thats the rich part i ment. I dont know why it says that as its always prewarmed to avoid damage and thats what mine says atleast! Maybe yours is a new system but all WB sensors should be prewarmed and normally its from stopping it from being hit with heat when its stone cold!

But would it hurt if you was to try it this way and always prewarm! Most of the people here i bet prewarm there up! Ive done this since day one and im years into my first sensor and.it still works fine so it must be ok to do

enriquez2000 · Oct 11, 2015

ec17pse said:
I ment too much fuel on start up as that runs rich and anything from 10.0 onwards so thats the rich part i ment. I dont know why it says that as its always prewarmed to avoid damage and thats what mine says atleast! Maybe yours is a new system but all WB sensors should be prewarmed and normally its from stopping it from being hit with heat when its stone cold!

But would it hurt if you was to try it this way and always prewarm! Most of the people here i bet prewarm there up! Ive done this since day one and im years into my first sensor and.it still works fine so it must be ok to do

So you say run the heat cycle, then start. It will run through heat cycle again unless i put it on a switch of its own or does that not matter?

Car warms up at 12afr so unless its flooding the system before it reads the afr. I know e85 stoich is 9.8 but that shouldnt matter.

EC17PSE · Oct 11, 2015

They always do this, mine warms up then i turn it on then it re warms it up once it starts so its normal operation of the system, dont worry about it re warming up once you start the engine again. 12 is still richer then 14.7 which it works itself upto but the initial start it always chucks fuel in the system as does everycar,

Ok i will put it another way, they say dont leave the sensor in if its not running because it cannot burn the fuel off it is kinda like that here. The fuel on a sensor thats not pre heated cant burn it off and this wont help the sensor, so they listing it as not pre warming it up seems wrong and part of the issue!

Unless someone corrects me if i am wrong but all the info i have ever been taught is prewarm the sensor.

1990TSIAWDTALON · Oct 11, 2015

My LC-2 doesn't have to prewarm and uses the same bosch sensor I believe. Since it was asked I thought I would add that in the forum. It goes through its normal cycle and stsrts reading after 30 seconds no matter what. Its in the front O2 sensor spot also and not a problem with it.

bo0st · Oct 12, 2015

I'd recommend AEM.

enriquez2000 · Oct 12, 2015

here it is exactly one week later and 270miles on the o2 sensor going from normal to crazy

enriquez2000 · Apr 29, 2016

Going through old posts.. ditched my mtxl and swapped in a prosport(wont be permanent.. its been months now with ZERO issues.

Innovate swore up and down its something i was doing but no matter what nothing stopped the error after about 120minutes of driving(2 day commute).

Eventually ill put a plx in like my other car but for no prosport has done me good.

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