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The Megans are pillowball mounts so there is no bind up in the steering/suspension. Mine are still holding up well and have survived many autocross and road race sessions. 1rst place in my class 4 years in a row, and driver of the year 2 years in a row for autocross. I admit the spring rates leave alot to be desired and eventually I'll get the corner weights of the car and buy the correct rates. For track use they are well worth the money but street driving they are pretty harsh. Sadly the car probably wont see much track time this year since the engine is on its last leg and im building another project car.
 
They are pillows? When did thwy make that revision then? All online pics show no pillowballs so thats interesting as to know when they started doing this
 
They are a pillowball style or type, they just dont look like it. The design definitely does not bind in corners I can verify that.
 
your comparing 2g coil overs with 1g, totally different suspension design. the 1g coilovers look like the second link you posted, the 2g ones look like the first link. I hate to tell ISC but if that is what they ship for a 2G coil over set then they wont have many happy customers. They wont fit. 1G uses a McPherson Strut front suspension, the 2g uses a double A-Arm suspension. In the 2g the shock does not attach to the spindle and does not rotate with the steering therefore does not need a pillowball mount.
 
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Oh i thought it was about megans in general! I didnt know we was being car specific! And your wong on the 2g and not moving and not needing a pillowball because it does, the springs do twist as the upright is moving and caues the coil to twist on the plate so needle besrings are required or the proper fix! so its 100% needed for pillowballs and the correct way aswell like i linked to in the isc ones.(fronts)

I know the 1g is different but again i was not aware we went car specific at any point in this thread and the focus was on megans as a brand! Sorry for that then but it should still apply as all good systems should have the proper pillowball and upper hat setup on any system being 2g or 1g as its the best way about it.

I just thought i would throw my 2cents into the megan thread as they are cheapish and many do like them and last them a very long time so they must be of some go
 
Also there was a new company on DSMTuners about 2 years ago that built a better version like the Megan set for close to the same price, they would even re-valve the Megan shocks if you already had them.

Finally found them, FEAL SUSPENSION
 
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I had a track S2000, came with D2's (same stuff as Megan Racing). I also had a track WRX with BC's. Both suspensions were crap. Bottom line, you get what you pay for. The valving is not correct on these cheap brands for the spring rates. If you put them on a shock dyno, you will find the adjusters do not accurately or consistently adjust damping. If you want a budget coilover, get Ground Controls with Konis. You can even have them custom valved for extra high spring rates. I personally would not spend my money on anything below those. My S2000 was a huge improvement with that setup over D2s and BCs... worlds better, no comparison, all made in USA or Europe parts and still budget friendly. I will never touch suspensions that use any Chinese parts ever again. My $.02.
 
I agree with you roclit11. I built a set of Bilstein HD struts and shocks on my 92 Talon. I would put my set up against any low or middle priced coil overs. You can see my build of the Bilstein HD here on tuners. Please read this article before considering cheap coil overs. I posted the article on page 1 here.
Rick
http://farnorthracing.com/
This article will give you a small education on upgrading your car.
 
In the 2g the shock does not attach to the spindle and does not rotate with the steering therefore does not need a pillowball mount.

You are correct in the sense that it does not attach to the spindle, but the whole shock/spring assembly rotates upwards of 15 degrees as the steering is turned left or right. This is why the stock spring mounts have big squishy rubber bushings. They can absorb this 15 degree rotation. Cheap coilovers usually have a stiff bushing or the spring is fixed right up to the top mount. This causes the shock shaft to bend. A proper coilover needs to have a spherical mount in order to make the shock work properly. The mounts found on the DG style hats, ISC, Feal, and I believe Fortune Auto are the correct. Tein has an option get a spherical mount as well, at least they used to.
 
You are correct in the sense that it does not attach to the spindle, but the whole shock/spring assembly rotates upwards of 15 degrees as the steering is turned left or right. This is why the stock spring mounts have big squishy rubber bushings. They can absorb this 15 degree rotation. Cheap coilovers usually have a stiff bushing or the spring is fixed right up to the top mount. This causes the shock shaft to bend. A proper coilover needs to have a spherical mount in order to make the shock work properly. The mounts found on the DG style hats, ISC, Feal, and I believe Fortune Auto are the correct. Tein has an option get a spherical mount as well, at least they used to.

fortune auto does not offer sphericals! I talked to them alot last year and the year before to get them to offer them but they just said they cannot be bothered but there system sits on a rubber in the top hat itself. its apparently not as bad as sitting on the plate but non the less its still bad.

BC do offer spherical tops all around and this is what I have chosen to use from actual events Ive been to with cars using these and they last well and have great rebuild capabilities, plus they can be upgraded to external res at a later date too,

koni DG is good but they cannot offer the service life for the high spring rates you need to run in racing, its limiting level is about the 650LB mark and less on the rear but Ive not gone into DEEP detail on this as I stopped looking once I read that info on them
 
koni DG is good but they cannot offer the service life for the high spring rates you need to run in racing, its limiting level is about the 650LB mark and less on the rear but Ive not gone into DEEP detail on this as I stopped looking once I read that info on them

I'm running 800's up front so I hope they last at least a little while. :crosses fingers:
 
Wow thats alot haha, i hope they do too, how do they feel? Whats your rates in back.
 
Wow thats alot haha, i hope they do too, how do they feel? Whats your rates in back.

350 in the rear. The 800 up front is not as harsh as the rear surprisingly. 35 series tires seem to make more harsh of a ride. Car rotated pretty good as long as I did not have too much camber in the rear. Switching to stickier 245/40/18 this year so have some setup/alignment changes to test out.
 
Yeah it wont be as harsh as the rears are very sensitive! But it also depends on shocks aswell i guess if 350 is harsh i wonder what my 616LB in the rears going to feel like haha
 
I've been running 900F/400R on Koni Sports for years. Front is great; really planted. Rear feels a little under-damped / bouncy. Tempted to try a 375 spring in the rear just to accommodate the Koni's limitations.
 
I'm running 800F/350R on Koni's and their bouncy harsh in the rear. Feels like the back is springing back too quickly & more rebound damping would help tame this.
 
fortune auto does not offer sphericals! I talked to them alot last year and the year before to get them to offer them but they just said they cannot be bothered but there system sits on a rubber in the top hat itself. its apparently not as bad as sitting on the plate but non the less its still bad.

BC do offer spherical tops all around and this is what I have chosen to use from actual events Ive been to with cars using these and they last well and have great rebuild capabilities, plus they can be upgraded to external res at a later date too,

koni DG is good but they cannot offer the service life for the high spring rates you need to run in racing, its limiting level is about the 650LB mark and less on the rear but Ive not gone into DEEP detail on this as I stopped looking once I read that info on them

You can have Koni yellows revalved for heavier springs, no problem, even convert them to Double Adjustable. Call Ground Control. If you still want more adjustment, Koni offers professional race application shocks. At that point though, the world is open to you (JRZ, Moton, Penske) because you're no longer putting together a budget setup.
 
You can have Koni yellows revalved for heavier springs, no problem, even convert them to Double Adjustable. Call Ground Control. If you still want more adjustment, Koni offers professional race application shocks. At that point though, the world is open to you (JRZ, Moton, Penske) because you're no longer putting together a budget setup.
Thats the thing once you start getting them modified it costs $$$$$$ and by then you might aswell get some custome made units,
I spoke to a company here in the UK called Quantum and they make custom units with great success but the problem was they wanted $4000 haha i can only hope and dream about these. They are really nice units though, take a look at them,
 
I have had Megan coilovers on my 2g for years now and I like them a lot actually. While JTM is right to an extent, Its not extremely bad. I have tracked mine and daily drove on them. If you are looking to go out on a road course and chase tenths then this set up is probably not for you. Same with if you are building a race car. But if its just a daily driver, weekend warrior, or even an occasional track day car, then you will more than likely have no complaints. I have never had any blow out on me for any uncalled for reasons or anything like that.
 
Thats the thing once you start getting them modified it costs $$$$$$ and by then you might aswell get some custome made units,
I spoke to a company here in the UK called Quantum and they make custom units with great success but the problem was they wanted $4000 haha i can only hope and dream about these. They are really nice units though, take a look at them,
Have you looked at the Feal kit? It has the proper spherical upper front mount. I have them on my 2g Talon and I like them. Besides those, the BC's (which I've heard mixed reviews on) and the custom made DG-style setup, there isn't much out there for the 2g with proper upper spring mounts unless you spend over $2800+. Odi at Feal will revalve other shocks too.
 
Have you looked at the Feal kit? It has the proper spherical upper front mount. I have them on my 2g Talon and I like them. Besides those, the BC's (which I've heard mixed reviews on) and the custom made DG-style setup, there isn't much out there for the 2g with proper upper spring mounts unless you spend over $2800+. Odi at Feal will revalve other shocks too.
Oh i sure have dude, infact i always tell people about and mention Feal alot!! Haha its not not easy for me to have them as sending them back for revalving or service is time and alot of money, i decided on BC's because i can get that done here and ive been in cars with them and imbhappy with them so its a start i guess.

Ive looked at every option for us and i really did want fortunes but no proper tophats no go!
 
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