94awdcoupe
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I am confident this tranny build will handle all the torque my setup can dish out I can't wait I am getting close. II am excited!you guys are all talking about maybe a 10-20% increase in fatigue strength you need a 200% increase to make these things live. It's just not gonna happen.
Depends how much you drive your car. If you drive the car everyday, and do full power 3-4 pulls at least a few times a week, you can probably get a year or a little longer out of it.I am confident this tranny build will handle all the torque my setup can dish out I can't wait I am getting close. II am excited!
This is reasonable more so than its going to break as soon as you get on it as some claimDepends how much you drive your car. If you drive the car everyday, and do full power 3-4 pulls at least a few times a week, you can probably get a year or a little longer out of it.
Lots of back to back 3-4 pulls, and it's a roll of the dice.
The different processes do increase the cycles to failure, they don't eliminate failure.
Vick I am pretty confident that what Jon did for you transmission will last you for a good minute remember he upgraded your 3/4 gear hub slider to the hd unit. But if you should ever need me to get on it you know I will!Oh ok kelaton just curious after we spoke about the treatments you do and for my next rebuild I like the information.
Whether you know it or not the cases are flexing. they don't have to fail, this cause the gears to spread therfore they are not catching the thick part of the gear leading to failure. As far as strengthening its the compression of the meatal that keep the crack from forming other words The crack never have a chance to get started! This way the core can do its job without a hidden weakness.If the cases don't fail, why treat them?
My statement isn't a theory, and you take a lot of information out of context. think about it, it's a surface treatment, how is it going to double the strength of the gears, when 99% of the strength comes from the core.
Blah Blah Blah Go stand in a mirror and repeat what you just said above and come back and tell me how you looked saying it, it just save me from saying it besides admission is the first step to recovery That's what they said About my fwd tranny i wpc treated it and its still holding up 809whp over 600ftlbs torque and the awd tranny suppose to be stronger according to the gurus ! By the way post another thread where another dsmer or guru wpc treated an awd drive tranny and it broke and I will delete this post.. Guess what you will not find one not by shep, buschur, tre, twick, jack, none of them quit being so narrow minded , this is the same mind set that has lead to the reason the dsm brand us dying out! shep and those other shops stop doing dsm trannies because they can make more money on gtr trannies not because they have wpc treated one of ours and it broke those guyss reason we got to feed our families thats why they stopped they got tired of dealing withe the broke dsm community do your research! Since i do my own stuff just watch how keltalon does it !
No one has ever stated that FWD trans are stronger than AWDs, they generally hold up a little better because the gears are taller and the torque isn't applied as much because there is tire spin, that's common sense man.
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You keep sighting your FWD as the proof, ok, how many pulls do you have on that thing doing 3 and 4th gear pulls at full boost and maximum HP and torque? Mileage and time mean nothing if you never floor or race it.
For the record I have broke 3 trans. 2nd gear once and two 3rd gears. All were on the street with low trans temps, all were done on street tires, none were launches, all broke while in the middle of the gears never between shifts, and they broke on single disc and twin disc clutches.
You are wasting your time, these treatments may increase your threshold as other have said ~10%, you need 100%. Tell you what, you give me one of your super sweet stock trans and I'll ship it back to you in 50 pulls or less in pieces guaranteed.
Evidently you haven't been around I have 50 pulls on the dyno along . And better yet you totally ignored post #230 your mind is getting more narrow the more you post . here is a 3rd gear pull at the track trapping 140mph, I made 20 passes alone on this particular day all passes topping out third gear boost was set low to stay within track rules and under 140mph threshold. the car has seen abuse like this on a norm but now the engine is going in the awd. browse my you tube channel you will see dyno pull after dyno pull track pull after track pull not to mention I drove the car daily averaging about 35,000 miles a year, wasting my time, dude you are hilarious.No one has ever stated that FWD trans are stronger than AWDs, they generally hold up a little better because the gears are taller and the torque isn't applied as much because there is tire spin, that's common sense man.
You keep sighting your FWD as the proof, ok, how many pulls do you have on that thing doing 3 and 4th gear pulls at full boost and maximum HP and torque? Mileage and time mean nothing if you never floor or race it.
You are wasting your time, these treatments may increase your threshold as other have said ~10%, you need 100%. Tell you what, you give me one of your super sweet stock trans and I'll ship it back to you in 50 pulls or less in pieces guaranteed.
Whether you know it or not the cases are flexing. they don't have to fail, this cause the gears to spread therfore they are not catching the thick part of the gear leading to failure. As far as strengthening its the compression of the meatal that keep the crack from forming other words The crack never have a chance to get started! This way the core can do its job without a hidden weakness.
Hey bastard I know you are a brite guy and probably think just as much as I do its like super man going against superman out of respect I will not debate you in the open forum just let me get the transmission in the car and lets see what she does. My doing this is not to win an argument its to see if I can bring something to the boards that will benefit some people. No matter what anyone says you already know keltalon will proceed, because I feel very confident about what I have accomplished and will yet accomplish. by the way This way the thread don't get cluttered with debating but what was done and how it held up or didn't hold up I'll keep it updated for sure with videos , pictures or whatever anyone what me to post. I am excited first of all to be putting the fwd setup in the awd this is going to be crazyHow much do you think they flex? .001? .005? It can't be much more than that, as that would result ina rupture of the aluminum. .005" has basically no effect on the tip loading. NONE!. In fact it might let it carry more torque with the same tooth bending stress.
I very well understand the premise behind compressive stress, but what you are failing to get is that when your way past the fatigue limit of the material, the inside doesn't care much about what's going on on the outside. Think of this kind of like a peppermint patty. You can deform the sh** out of it without breaking the outer shell.
it's more to it than just the gears I hate to be this way but only a few will know the rest of the combination. I still can't for the life of me understand why do people limit their goals on failures of others instead of learning from the failures of others to step ahead. When this thing is finished videos will be all over the placeReading all this bullshit and bickering reminds me why nowadays 99% of DSMs making serious power are rocking auto boxes
We've all seen what a 700+hp AWD DSM can do to an OEM gear set (treated or not). If Kel runs his car like he has in the past, we'll soon see what it's capable of.
it's more to it than just the gears I hate to be this way but only a few will know the rest of the combination. I still can't for the life of me understand why do people limit their goals on failures of others instead of learning from the failures of others to step ahead. When this thing is finished videos will be all over the place
I have always shared my good and bad experiences on these boards, fortunate to say I have had more good than bad . Yeah I agree with you I am not new to the awd plateform it was my first dsmLet the mans work give the results! I think he deserves that instead of bashing, let us all see what this turns out to be, be it good or bad I am sure he will let us know, right keltalon? I am just waiting for the end result and wish you the best!
Gotcha!! You know how these projects are sometimes . Got the gears back yesterday, I haven't time to do anything trying to punch out a big project before the year end. We are under the gun, but when its over I will definitely get back to it for sure. I want to see how they hold up just like everyone else, wpc fwd made me a believer! Oh by the way I am no stranger to the awd dsm plateformNo matter how you cut it, this gear set has limits just as any gear set does. My point was, we'll soon see what those limits are given the upgrades you've done to the box. I'm interested to see the results of your efforts. Good or bad, the outcome will be whatever you make of it. There's knowledge to be gained whether this thing flies apart or not.
There's no sense in saying this will hold x amount of power, just as there's no sense in saying this will blow up under x amount of power. Nobody here can accurately predict either of those events, so I'm not sure what all the pissing and moaning is about.
Put the damn thing together, see how it does, and post the results. The end.
Oh by the way I am no stranger to the awd dsm plateform
Okay I see what you trying to do but if you want to battle we can keltalon loves to battle, keltalon is hardcore dsmer!Perhaps you mean no stranger to totaling them
Okay I see what you trying to do but if you want to battle we can keltalon loves to battle, keltalon is hardcore dsmer!
I was saying to myself dag this my boy and he turning on me. Yeah man I don't mean anything harmful on these board just like trying to see if I can better my setup all the timeI'm just giving you a hard time. Besides, anyone who continually refers to themselves in the third person is probably too much of a bad ass for me anyways
Try to keep this new car in one piece, eh?