quick update I swapped to the 2g isc and no change

its running incredibly rich anyone have ideas ?

Probably won't be much help but I'll grease the wheels for the next guy.
Whats the deal with the motor, is it all stock?
Are you running link?
Did you test the tps?

NP man I appreciate the feedback as this has me stuck I know its something stupid. Motor is a 6bolt bored .50 over with 2g pistons , stock head and valvetrain, 1g intake ,1g TB,1g coilpack, 2g IAC ,1g EGR(wondering if should swap this out for the 2g), 2g injectors, rail,FPR. Map sensor is NOT hooked up but plugged in. Car idles at the right RPM, just literally sounds like its cam loping at idle. Once you throttle it immediately responds and smoothes out. I just pulled the case and rechecked my timing its dead on. Also rechecked firing order for 1g in a 2g and its spot on. Again RRE cas harness, as well as inverted injectors wires at the ecu. When I unplug the tps and plug it back in will also smooth out for a sec then back to loping. I'm so confused it seems like its off time a hair but its dead on. Thanks again laser for your time I need outside input on this I'm stuck.

lasershark said:

Probably won't be much help but I'll grease the wheels for the next guy.
Whats the deal with the motor, is it all stock?
Are you running link?
Did you test the tps?

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No link and TPS Tested out good, which I know doesn't always mean its good

Try teeing the mdp (map) sensor into the break booster vac line. That's where most people hook it up.

lasershark said:

Try teeing the mdp (map) sensor into the fpr line. That's where most people hook it up.

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I fed it vacuum from the throttle body and no change

Sorry it was supposed to say brake booster vac line. I dont know if there is a difference in pressure between throttle body and the brake booster line.

Have you taken it for a drive or rev'd the engine? Does it run bad throughout the rpm's. I had an issue with the running rich thing on a 1g I had it turned out to be the maf was shot. What maf are you running?

lasershark said:

Sorry it was supposed to say brake booster vac line. I dont know if there is a difference in pressure between throttle body and the brake booster line.

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Well I'm gonna try to figure that out as there is no provision for it on my 1g manifold. Will the mdp cause it to run like that though isnt it for emissions?

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Have you taken it for a drive or rev'd the engine? Does it run bad throughout the rpm's. I had an issue with the running rich thing on a 1g I had it turned out to be the maf was shot. What maf are you running?

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No it has great response , just at -1k RPms experiencing problems , when i let off the throttle it kinda stutter steps like its off time ,
Stock 2g MAF

Is your BOV recirculated?

lasershark said:

Is your BOV recirculated?

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Yes .

well crap... your using the 2g coolant temp sensor?

lasershark said:

well crap... your using the 2g coolant temp sensor?

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Yep and also within correct resistance req. I'm still tryin to find clarification on whether or not the mdp has any relation to idle.

guys made huge progress on this. I have never seen someone with this problem before, and I've narrowed it down to the MAS. I realized that at idle the stock boost gauge was raised over the half way mark , I.E. ecu drowns motor in fuel. Tried different MAS same result, but when mas isn't connected to turbo, idles PERFECT, connect MAS back to turbo and bam its cammed .

lasershark said:

Have you taken it for a drive or rev'd the engine? Does it run bad throughout the rpm's. I had an issue with the running rich thing on a 1g I had it turned out to be the maf was shot. What maf are you running?

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Was your MAF seeing boost at idle? This is definitely my problem, I'm going to try and reset my TPS . Can anyone tell me where the RPM signal is derived from on a 2g ?

Nice at least your getting closer; with a 6 bolt swap i believe it would be from the cas (cam) most people say the black cas from 93/94 work best

You did check the ignition timing with a timing light?
Do you have an actual boost gauge? If so what does the vacuum read at idle?
I bet you are having a vacuum problem.

lasershark said:

Nice at least your getting closer; with a 6 bolt swap i believe it would be from the cas (cam) most people say the black cas from 93/94 work best

You did check the ignition timing with a timing light?
Do you have an actual boost gauge? If so what does the vacuum read at idle?
I bet you are having a vacuum problem.

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Got my hands on another MAS today, BAM hole in one runs like a dream. Thank you very much for the replies , its always nice to have someone help when you are stuck.

Nice! Glad the brainstorming paid off!