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Cam test: I will be dyno test: delta hks 272, delta K272 and BC 272 cams!!!!

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Bc272 installed 0 degree on exhaust and 6 degree retard on the intake cam. You will love them! If you want something different hks264 installed straight up will also get the job done
In post # 83, you have the BC272 cams at "5 degree advance on exhaust and 5 degree retard on the intake"..I'm putting the cams in soon, are the newer settings better ? Thanx in advance..
 
In post # 83, you have the BC272 cams at "5 degree advance on exhaust and 5 degree retard on the intake"..I'm putting the cams in soon, are the newer settings better ? Thanx in advance..
Newer settings for the bc276.
 
So, was post #362 a mistake ?
"Bc272 installed 0 degree on exhaust and 6 degree retard on the intake cam. You will love them! If you want something different hks264 installed straight up will also get the job done"

I know it gets confusing, with all the pages and two threads..I had to read about an hour to post the question with the right post numbers..
 
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So, was post #362 a mistake ?
"Bc272 installed 0 degree on exhaust and 6 degree retard on the intake cam. You will love them! If you want something different hks264 installed straight up will also get the job done"

I know it gets confusing, with all the pages and two threads..I had to read about an hour to post the question with the right post numbers..
Not a mistake. I looked at his setup and was able to give a recommendation based on the mods in his profile. 5 and 5 is a general starting point that yield good results across the board these setting I have found put the LSA where a street car needs them and the rest of setting them up from here is to determine what you want your turbo to do. Whith that being said cams can be fine tuned per setup. My recommendation was base on what I saw in his profile. Turbo size determine exactly how to set up a set of cams and so does the cam size themselves. Do you want midrange power, do you want to spool a big turbo early, do you want to gain upper rpm power from a small set of cams all these factors goes into play when determining how you want your cams set up because you can manipulate all of this via your cams:D. Some people spend a lot of time trying to degree cams I don't why? unless you have solid lifter the process will yield inaccurate results but most, being informed will do it any way. I have gotten this cam tuning thing so down packed its like 2nd nature to look at your set up and what you want to do and tell you where I think you should start with your settings and 9 times out of 10 most are happy with the recommendation. the key is finding a setting that will allow your the Intake, cam, and turbo to work together with perfect balance!

The secret to my making 800whp@6900rpm is all in the cam setting nothing more or nothing less
 
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Since I bought the 280s from you, can I get some insight on what you think. Im finishing a 2.4 block, 8.3to1 weiscos, pump gas, built 2g head, full divided t3 hx35, jmf intake, bored 1g throttle body and ets race intercooler. I want the power band midrange with descent boost response. I did time the cams in with the card on the left, as it appears they had taken out the over lap and didn't have a zero base line to go from. Dialing in cams also will eliminate tolerances made from the manufacture. So they are dialed straight up by the card on solid lash adjuster and then swapped out to hydralic. Where from there did you think would be a better setting?
 

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Since I bought the 280s from you, can I get some insight on what you think. Im finishing a 2.4 block, 8.3to1 weiscos, pump gas, built 2g head, full divided t3 hx35, jmf intake, bored 1g throttle body and ets race intercooler. I want the power band midrange with descent boost response. I did time the cams in with the card on the left, as it appears they had taken out the over lap and didn't have a zero base line to go from. Dialing in cams also will eliminate tolerances made from the manufacture. So they are dialed straight up by the card on solid lash adjuster and then swapped out to hydralic. Where from there did you think would be a better setting?
I sent you a pm need additional information.
 
After reading this complete thread I've decided to go with Bc280 cams for my stroker. sounds like a standup company to me even though there's tons of online bashing. Probably pick up his adjustable cam gears as well.
Yeah BC cams are very underated:idontknow:
 
That's because all the people on this forum worship at the feet of certain members. One bad word from them and a product is garbage. No one would dare question their idols whether the cams were optimized or even setup correctly for a base install. The only thing I've found that is true about BC cams is that they do have some inconsistency in their quality. But its not the type of stuff that makes a difference on motors that see 8 or maybe 8500rpm tops.
 
Ok, I need an honest opinion. What would be a good cam?

My engine: 2.4L fully built, built head besides cams.
9.3:1 CR, HX35 on .55 bolt-on housing. 1g TB Evo 3 IM.

I've been looking at hks 264, S1 and BC272.

I'm using stock 4g64 cam gears and I'd rather avoid buying adjustable cam gears and pulling the engine out to go thru the cam degreeing process.

Looking to make mid range power up to 7-7.5K rev limit.


I may be switching to T3 setup, but I cant find any info on hx35 spool with 0.70A/R or even 0.82 exhaust housings and my setup

I'd appreciate it you guys can help me out on that too.
 
U really should go to a better exhaust setup on the turbo. Also what intake mani are you using that would have a lot to do with the cam u choose. Also, I'm not sure what u mean about pulling the motor to degree cams? You can install them correctly with the motor in, and adjusting them is very easy. Making meaningful adjustments can by time consuming and expensive.
 
I have a short runner Evo 3 intake manifold, 2g style small runners.

What I Meant was about using degreeing wheel and all that.

What would you suggest for t3 exhaust housing A/R? I ask because my other car has 4g64 with 10.5:1 CR

Both of my cars have the exact same setups, the difference is that one is 9.3:1 and the other one is 10.5:1 CR

Thank you!
 
I have used and liked hks and BC 272's with stock type intakes. My DSM is for the street and I hate cars that aren't really responsive. The really popular cams on here kill too much in the 3000-5000 range in my opinion. Same with the bigger intakes. You have that big inch motor though. I have no experience with one.

I had a .55 hx35 until about 2 weeks ago on my 10:1 2.0. I didn't like it. It replaced a 20g and I went back to a 20g. The hx35 needs to be in a t3 housing and someone wanting beyond what you can do with mhi turbos.
 
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I have used and liked hks and BC 272's with stock type intakes. My DSM is for the street and I hate cars that aren't really responsive. The really popular cams on here kill too much in the 3000-5000 range in my opinion. Same with the bigger intakes. You have that big inch motor though. I have no experience with one.

I had a .55 hx35 until about 2 weeks ago on my 10:1 2.0. I didn't like it. It replaced a 20g and I went back to a 20g. The hx35 needs to be in a t3 housing and someone wanting beyond what you can do with mhi turbos.
I couldn't agree with you more! There are only a few guys on these boards that aim for a high powered street machine, most others want a powerful street machine but pattern their set up after that 7 sec 2g that is about to break the 7 sec 1g record and god knows that those cars are far from being driven on the streets:toobad:. That is why when a person does something out of the box (not like the red 2g and purple 1g) , because he is building a street killer, it seems as if he is crazy until he post results of the out of the box well though out and calculated set-up. Its all a balancing act to be honest;) when I switch from the bc272 and the smaller 6264 comp turbo to the bc276 and 6266pte I changed the intake manifold to the JMF street to balance the setup and at the same time keeping the street objective in mind I must say I couldn't be more happier the car is still very street friendly and this is also due to manipulating the cams for smooth idle and lots of midrange power. Cams, intake and turbo needs to be matched to give you positive street results.
 
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I have a short runner Evo 3 intake manifold, 2g style small runners.

What I Meant was about using degreeing wheel and all that.

What would you suggest for t3 exhaust housing A/R? I ask because my other car has 4g64 with 10.5:1 CR

Both of my cars have the exact same setups, the difference is that one is 9.3:1 and the other one is 10.5:1 CR

Thank you!
My recommendation would be a .63 A/R housing this will spool the turbo in the efficiency range of that manifold. on the 10.5:1 motor This will be a killer. As far as degreeing the cams IMO this is only beneficial if you are trying to make sure your humongous cams don't make contact with your dome pistons other than that install the cams at zero and dial them in for your setup. .63, stock intake, minimum overlap equals street machine!
 
For the record the HKS 272 cams aren't a bad cam at all. Autos are super sensitive to losing low-end grunt, and I didn't notice any major losses when I went from stock cams to HKS 272s installed straight up on OEM gears. Same thing on all my 5-speeds. People talk like the car will be completely gutless, not true however. I'm running brian crower products in my 2.4LR, and they /seem/ of better quality than they were. I'm still honestly on the iffy side of using their cams however. Just wanted to express a differing opinion based on personal experience, but in a non-combative and mature way.


People keep mentioning how BC cams require you to degree them properly to see a full effect, and that may be, but there needs to be another cam test. Same engine, same boost levels, nothing changed except various "popular" cams and have them all be degreed properly just to settle the argument once and for all. With genuine, proven results up against modern cams I'd be convinced.


Edit: This post isn't directed at any one person. When I say there needs to be another cam test, I'm not saying Kel should go out of his way to re-test anything. Just speaking in general. I'd do the test on my own car personally if there was an AWD dyno close by. I've not got a problem installing and degreeing a few sets of popular cams, if the results actually helped.
 
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Hey keltalin, I just read your whole post so MN ay have missed it. But did you ever test the hks 272 grinds, I'm running a 16g with ecm link v2 with speed density. I'm pLanning on getting an fpr, cam shafts and adjustable gears. My plan is to also keep it street. And really trying to decide between the bc272 and hks. Thank you.
 
Hey keltalin, I just read your whole post so MN ay have missed it. But did you ever test the hks 272 grinds, I'm running a 16g with ecm link v2 with speed density. I'm pLanning on getting an fpr, cam shafts and adjustable gears. My plan is to also keep it street. And really trying to decide between the bc272 and hks. Thank you.
Charles to be honest I really can't remember I do know I tested the bc272 against the hksh264 and they spooled the same down low and made something like 14whp in the upper rpm. The hks272s has proven themselves on these engine and both hks 272s or the bc272s will be perfectly fine for your to street setup. I ran the bc272s for over 3 years and loved them to death they are lower in cost than the hks and I know you will like them hope this help.
 
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I know there's a ton of variables but, would you recommend, having used both the bc 272 &276 , the 276 over the 272? It's hard to see but from the dyno it looks like they are pretty close down low, but the 276's make 100+ more power up top thanks for posting your results, it helps to hear real world feedback over manufacturers claims.
 
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I know there's a ton of variables but, would you recommend, having used both the bc 272 &276 , the 276 over the 272? It's hard to see but from the dyno it looks like they are pretty close down low, but the 276's make 100+ more power up top thanks for posting your results, it helps to hear real world feedback over manufacturers claims.
Welcome. I think bc went back to the days of old on these bc276, what I mean is a cam that has high lift and short duration which works extremely well for a daily driver, check out the idle quality in this video
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