mitecl96
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- Feb 20, 2012
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McMinnville,
Tennessee
First off the car is non-ABS. I am looking into doing the Outlander brake upgrade. After doing some research I seen some great point about just upgrading the front brakes. With the front brakes working better the car will be more front bias cause the rear brakes to barely even work cause the car to really not brake any different (front brakes working more, back brakes working less). Because of how our cars are split diagonally getting an aftermarket adjustable proportional valve is out of the question because I would need two and dialing in two valve to be the exact same would be impossible (one side would brake stronger causing a pull).
Another problem that is faced is that with the bigger brakes would need more fluid causing the master cylinder to need upgraded also, than what you face with a better master cylinder is the booster would also need to be upgraded also. (love the domino effect here )
Well this is when I really started searching and thinking. First idea was looking at the Outlander's complete braking system. Mitsubishi really didn't change the brake brakes on their cars for a long time, literally everything is the same. Same rotors and pads for a 95 Eclipse and a 06 Outlander. Even the Outlander rear calipers will bolt to an Eclipse and even the parking brake is the same. I figured why the hell not and just put Outlander brakes front and rear even if no difference.
Well started looking at what to do about the proportional valve and master cylinder. Well couldn't find much on the Outlander proportional valve but looking into that seen a post about an 06 Lancer RS non-ABS and that the proportional valve is built into the master cylinder, seemed kinda interesting but couldn't find much else about it. Got me thinking though the Lancer is a bigger car than the Eclipse, with more rear end which leaves me guessing that the rear brakes would get more braking than an eclipse would and brakes are bigger in the front than a Lancer. My favorite thing I seen also is that the reservoir is mounted onto of the master cylinder so cleans the engine bay, the same way as using the 3g Eclipse master cylinder in our cars but with an advantage, it also is the clutch reservoir cleaning the bay even more.
Just the idea in my head looks like a better idea. Still doing research though not sure if the Outlander with non-ABS using the same idea having the proportional valve in the master cylinder. The idea of just taking the complete braking system from the Outlander and putting it in the Eclipse seems like a good idea because I am going to be using the calipers anyways, but the thought of the Outlander being a heavier car than the Eclipse would make the brakes supper touchy being in the lighter Eclipse.
Also depending on the master cylinder that would be best to use I would also use the matching booster seeing that all the mounting is the same between the 3 different cars.
Well I lied about one thing. The 4 door Lancer is actually lighter than the fat Eclipse, forgot how much these cars weigh.
Here is the Curb Weight of the three.
Eclipse 2899 lbs.
Lancer 2745 lbs.
Outlander 3241 lbs.
Remember this is me brainstorming and came here to get other people's thoughts and ideas and I appreciate any help or criticism. All is help that's how the best ideas become reality
Another problem that is faced is that with the bigger brakes would need more fluid causing the master cylinder to need upgraded also, than what you face with a better master cylinder is the booster would also need to be upgraded also. (love the domino effect here )
Well this is when I really started searching and thinking. First idea was looking at the Outlander's complete braking system. Mitsubishi really didn't change the brake brakes on their cars for a long time, literally everything is the same. Same rotors and pads for a 95 Eclipse and a 06 Outlander. Even the Outlander rear calipers will bolt to an Eclipse and even the parking brake is the same. I figured why the hell not and just put Outlander brakes front and rear even if no difference.
Well started looking at what to do about the proportional valve and master cylinder. Well couldn't find much on the Outlander proportional valve but looking into that seen a post about an 06 Lancer RS non-ABS and that the proportional valve is built into the master cylinder, seemed kinda interesting but couldn't find much else about it. Got me thinking though the Lancer is a bigger car than the Eclipse, with more rear end which leaves me guessing that the rear brakes would get more braking than an eclipse would and brakes are bigger in the front than a Lancer. My favorite thing I seen also is that the reservoir is mounted onto of the master cylinder so cleans the engine bay, the same way as using the 3g Eclipse master cylinder in our cars but with an advantage, it also is the clutch reservoir cleaning the bay even more.
Just the idea in my head looks like a better idea. Still doing research though not sure if the Outlander with non-ABS using the same idea having the proportional valve in the master cylinder. The idea of just taking the complete braking system from the Outlander and putting it in the Eclipse seems like a good idea because I am going to be using the calipers anyways, but the thought of the Outlander being a heavier car than the Eclipse would make the brakes supper touchy being in the lighter Eclipse.
Also depending on the master cylinder that would be best to use I would also use the matching booster seeing that all the mounting is the same between the 3 different cars.
Well I lied about one thing. The 4 door Lancer is actually lighter than the fat Eclipse, forgot how much these cars weigh.
Here is the Curb Weight of the three.
Eclipse 2899 lbs.
Lancer 2745 lbs.
Outlander 3241 lbs.
Remember this is me brainstorming and came here to get other people's thoughts and ideas and I appreciate any help or criticism. All is help that's how the best ideas become reality