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Mumbles

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Sep 8, 2014
Port Hardy, BC_Canada
On phone with ESi internet speed. I did search but
Not much luck unfortunately.

I'm looking at a 1997 Eagle Talon TSi AWD with aftermarket. Everything is done right and looks like the guy came here before he installed anything. However it is burning oil (no smoke but smell is prominent when running after awhile) and doesn't need one and has no knock but does come with a knock sensor and summer rims. Relatively high km at 230k but it doesn't bug me none.
They figure the oil problem is from bad seal because it has low compression on one of the valves.

Any other idea other than seals (bent valve? ) and what about would it cost me roughly to have it done? I'm lacking with tools and no garage. Just a rough price I know it varies from place to place.

Im kinda more iNterested in the car now to fix it up and avoid it being a scrap yard DSM. Always had interest in the 2Gs and my chance has finally arrived.

Also anyone got any idea what I should pay for a car like this? I'm not exactly new to vehicles like this but I a have never had problems like this with a vehicle. Thanks for any help.

Here's to hoping a DSM can be saved from either a negligent owner or a scrap yard!
 
I'd check the turbo for shift play, and check the inside of the intercooler charge pipes for oil. May have a turbo on its way out.
Okay thank you. I hope it's not. It's a 14b rebuilt turbo. If it is tge turbo is it worth going for another 14b on 15psi or should I look more into the Evo 16g? They are not common cars here by any means. I've only seen three 1g and two were non turbo.
 
You should hope it is the turbo. It's by far the easiest out of the 3 main options for fixing a smoking car. Also it's very inexpensive for a used 14b and even a used 16g.
 
You should hope it is the turbo. It's by far the easiest out of the 3 main options for fixing a smoking car. Also it's very inexpensive for a used 14b and even a used 16g.
I feel like no matter what I'll be spending $500 or so to get
The car back to great running condition. Not bad really but I'm not exactly rolling in money just yet.
Just have a hard time seeing the car rot away especially after my initial purchase fell through on a different car.
 
Valve seals are actually not too bad to put in either if you can do the rope trick and get a valve spring compressor that works when the head is on the car
I was looking at those methods and tempted to try them If I buy the car. I just feel that because I don't know the cars history I should just bring the head to a machine shop and get it cleaned up and the seals replaced. I unfortunately only have had 1 Turbo car and I got it in mint condition from Japan. I kept it maintained and cleaned and never had any issues so my knowledge isn't very deep. I want to learn but all my tools are two provinces away. Hence why I'm here.[DOUBLEPOST=1410918807][/DOUBLEPOST]Okay so I think we got the basics covered with this particular Talon. So my final questions are:
- Where can I find some seals online that will for sure work?

- If the turbo is what's done for shoukd I go with his original setup 14B with port matched o2 housing @ 15PSi or should I go with the popular 16G? overall power and effeiency wise?

Please understand I'll be looking for new or like new parts
if new is not available. I try to avoid used unless I know the seller well enough.
I'm not familiar with these and i can't recall what the Silvia had.
 
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No one noticed that he said one of the cylinders had low compression! No valve seal is meant to seal in compression, if it is low you need to find out why. If a valve is bent it means it came into contact with the piston or another valve or foreign debris. It's unlikely only one valve is bent, if it's a broken ring it ring land it could be a good amount to fix. Rent a cylinder leak down tester and a air compressor and try find the cylinder in.question and find out where the air is escaping. Try to find out more from the owner too, you might end up putting a motor in it rebuilding that l one, just a heads up. I just noticed you said low compression on one of the valves?
 
No one noticed that he said one of the cylinders had low compression! No valve seal is meant to seal in compression, if it is low you need to find out why. If a valve is bent it means it came into contact with the piston or another valve or foreign debris. It's unlikely only one valve is bent, if it's a broken ring it ring land it could be a good amount to fix. Rent a cylinder leak down tester and a air compressor and try find the cylinder in.question and find out where the air is escaping. Try to find out more from the owner too, you might end up putting a motor in it rebuilding that l one, just a heads up. I just noticed you said low compression on one of the valves?

This is exactly what i was thinking after the first post, low compression, and burning oil. Sounds like one of the cylinders has bad rings, or possibly broken ring lands. It could get real expensive if you are paying someone else to do the work. If it were me, and i didn't have the space, tools, or mechanical ability, or a bunch of money i would never consider buying one of these cars, especially one that potentially needs the engine rebuilt. You are setting yourself up for failure in my opinion.
 
No one noticed that he said one of the cylinders had low compression! No valve seal is meant to seal in compression, if it is low you need to find out why. If a valve is bent it means it came into contact with the piston or another valve or foreign debris. It's unlikely only one valve is bent, if it's a broken ring it ring land it could be a good amount to fix. Rent a cylinder leak down tester and a air compressor and try find the cylinder in.question and find out where the air is escaping. Try to find out more from the owner too, you might end up putting a motor in it rebuilding that l one, just a heads up. I just noticed you said low compression on one of the valves?

See that's what I was wondering was if it was f***ed valves. I went to some shops and gave them the exact description I got and was told by all of them that they think it's the head gasket. To me that sounds rubbish. Anyways they all charge $100+ an hour labour so no matter what it would be 800+. Needless to say I started to
Look into getting the head resurfaced abd fixed up and everything else I'd do myself including some simple maintenance things while head is off.
The car is unfortunately a 5 hour bus ride away and I work 7 days a week at night.
I'm tempted to pay for a shop to possibly do some tests and look overs for me to get a better understanding before I make the trip there.

Within a 400 km distance of me has horrible choice in vehicles. People price things very high here and I don't have the allotted time to travel further.

This is exactly what i was thinking after the first post, low compression, and burning oil. Sounds like one of the cylinders has bad rings, or possibly broken ring lands. It could get real expensive if you are paying someone else to do the work. If it were me, and i didn't have the space, tools, or mechanical ability, or a bunch of money i would never consider buying one of these cars, especially one that potentially needs the engine rebuilt. You are setting yourself up for failure in my opinion.

Might be best to avoid it hey? I'll see what I can do in my circumstances and find out what is up with it. DSMs do seem fairly headache inducing for someone without the tools and proper space. I know a bit about DSMs but unfortunately my knowledge is mostly in the Nissan CA18DET and various small and big block engines. Basically whatever I owned because I was never happy with shops after a huge truck rebuild fiasco.

Kinda sad knowing this car may just end up being a scrap heap or purchased by someone with no interest but trying to race everyone. Always had a soft spot for the 2g Eclipse and Talons when I was 4.
 
I hear you, I like 2gs too and there is one more possibility. You can get the car for a steal and order a jdm engine from an importer. Mine was reasonably priced and was in good condition. Most all of these cars burn a little oil. The valve guides and seals are usually to blame. Like I said clt test, that will help narrow down the problem, it could be a hg but there is no way to tell from the info. Changing a blown hg is not too bad, could get a rebuilt head too.
 
I hear you, I like 2gs too and there is one more possibility. You can get the car for a steal and order a jdm engine from an importer. Mine was reasonably priced and was in good condition. Most all of these cars burn a little oil. The valve guides and seals are usually to blame. Like I said clt test, that will help narrow down the problem, it could be a hg but there is no way to tell from the info. Changing a blown hg is not too bad, could get a rebuilt head too.
that would be ideal but unfortunately I know no shops arOund here or where the car is and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable driving the car for 3 and a half hours to get it here to wOrk on it. A head gasket I can do with what I have but if it goes beyond that it's going to get complicated. Thinking I may just skip this car and hold onto my money.

Thanks everyone who has helped out. It's kinda sad but that is how it goes in the wOrld of used vehicles[DOUBLEPOST=1411079653][/DOUBLEPOST]Quick update. The car has a slightly blue smoke that comes from the exhaust on startup and idling at stop signs / for awhile. More evidence towards a seal perhaps? Doesn't burn or atleast show while driving.

Curse my "I like it I want it" personality.
 
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that would be ideal but unfortunately I know no shops arOund here or where the car is and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable driving the car for 3 and a half hours to get it here to wOrk on it. A head gasket I can do with what I have but if it goes beyond that it's going to get complicated. Thinking I may just skip this car and hold onto my money.

Thanks everyone who has helped out. It's kinda sad but that is how it goes in the wOrld of used vehicles[DOUBLEPOST=1411079653][/DOUBLEPOST]Quick update. The car has a slightly blue smoke that comes from the exhaust on startup and idling at stop signs / for awhile. More evidence towards a seal perhaps? Doesn't burn or atleast show while driving.

Curse my "I like it I want it" personality.

Low compression on a cylinder (as you said low pressure) and burning oil is a sign of bigger problems than a valve seal. You sound like you have a lot more to learn about this stuff before jumping into such a project.
 
Low compression on a cylinder (as you said low pressure) and burning oil is a sign of bigger problems than a valve seal. You sound like you have a lot more to learn about this stuff before jumping into such a project.
Fair enough. I always bought cars that were in good our horrible condition. So it was either just maintain them or do Full on replace. I'm asKing here because I know even a simple oil leak cOuld be a plethora of things from simple to serious.
this is definately not my fIeld of expertise but I'm interested in learning now that my contract is over.
 
No problem man, don't feel bad about not understanding how a engine works and what the symptoms of a particular problem are. Maybe even start with some basic reading on internal combustion engines, then some dohc turbo stuff to get a better idea how things are working, it helps visualize problems. Good luck finding another good running one, you may have to travel a bit but you'll find one.
 
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