I don't cruise the mall parking lot in it or think its anything other than a 24 year old crap box. A 92 tso awd was my first car and I just have a soft spot for them. Kind of like the babyboomers and there muscle cars only a lot cheaper. I get a company car and we have two plain newer sedans for my wife and my "case" car.

There are defiantly 2 different types of people driving a 12 year old accord and a 12 year old m3. I bought my s4 as a punched demo with 5900 miles on it. I loved it and have it for 11 years before I sold it because you look like an asshole driving around in an old ass Audi or BMW. Driving g a dsm just makes you look poor! I can live with that!

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I love the idea of a mid engines kit car with a 4g, but I hate the fake exotic kit car look. It looks cheap and the rear is hideous and doesn't match the front IMO. The front looks like a rip off of a current exotic, and the rear looks like a concept sportscAr from Kia or somthing. I'm sure it could be fun for the track though if you get it setup. Only Internet fanboys don't think you can make macstruts handle and the vette setup obviously works. Figure out tires and and alignment and your getting there. WhAt does it use for steering?

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I get you don't like wannabe and pretentious people and prefer sleeper cars... I'm with you on that but I pers like the Apex the design a lot. I have been following this company for the past 3-4 years and I can tell you they design this one using the same principles as the SLC (which a very nice streetable racecar). They have always put functionality and sound engineering as a priority over looks in order to make their car go very fast. No fake hood scope here or cheesy vent without purpose... I don't see it as a fake exotic, because if I was designing a car from scratch I wouldn't design it to look like a corolla or something really pedestrian...

The irony behind people who own sleeper car (like me) is that they somehow care what other people think of them or their car. Most of them enjoy the fact that people think they have a shit box while in reality their car isn't. I just don't care anymore what other people think if I happen to like a car that is 4 inch wider than a Gaillarde and happens to be powered by a 24 year old 600 whp 4 banger...so be it.

Cheers!

Seamus said:

I love the idea of a mid engines kit car with a 4g, but I hate the fake exotic kit car look. It looks cheap and the rear is hideous and doesn't match the front IMO. The front looks like a rip off of a current exotic, and the rear looks like a concept sportscAr from Kia or somthing. I'm sure it could be fun for the track though if you get it setup. Only Internet fanboys don't think you can make macstruts handle and the vette setup obviously works. Figure out tires and and alignment and your getting there. WhAt does it use for steering?

But I would be embarrassed about driving one of these on the street. You look like some wannabe. It s the same reason I finally sold my b5 Audi s4 after owning it from almost new. I felt like one of those douchebags who drive around in a 10+ year old m3, 3 series or some other cheap ass high line and think they are hot shot with some fancy car. Usually they like wait tables or sell cell phones.

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I guess, taste is personal, but most people seem to LIKE the look of this car! Personally, I think that it is much better than FF 818, which is the closest thing to the APEX.

DSMers are a funny bunch, they are so programmed to ridicule anyone who is into looks related mods, they tend to overreact and attack LEGITIMATE high performance mods that look like race cars. Guess what? Ricers imitate racing feature before they actually work on the race track! Ask me how I know that .

GRNDSM said:

I guess, taste is personal, but most people seem to LIKE the look of this car! Personally, I think that it is much better than FF 818, which is the closest thing to the APEX.



DSMers are a funny bunch, they are so programmed to ridicule anyone who is into looks related mods, they tend to overreact and attack LEGITIMATE high performance mods that look like race cars. Guess what? Ricers imitate racing feature before they actually work on the race track! Ask me how I know that .

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It's his opinion,

Mine is that it could use some work, I'm not a fan of the hatch glass at all.

But i like that someone is thinking outside the box

It kinda does look like a wannabe lamborghini though....

Except the lambo looks better...

The rcr, It's got too many square body lines, the door to rear break vent, the hatch glass, front and rear bumpers...

The Lamborghini sure looks better, but I think a good way to look at this car (APEX) is that it's the poor man Hennessy Venom. Someone brought the idea up on RCR forum and it make sense, Henesey doesn't have the R&d fund to make OEM level of interior fit and finish and chassis from scratch but they certainly know how to make power. They just used a proven platform and built up on it. I think we can all agree the 4g63 is about the best transverse platform to make power on a relatively low budget, so in this case, the idea was to design a modern looking car using the 4g63, oem interior (retaining vin num) that can handle and put the power to the ground (it can accept 345 tires)

I do not mind the hatch appearance, but I am afraid that working on the engine through it will be a major PITA!

My two gripes about the looks:

1. I do not care for the "sinken headlights", I whish they flush with the surface.
2. Side air could be bigger.

But I can live with both of those "shortcomings"

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I do not mind the hatch appearance, but I am afraid that working on the engine through it will be a major PITA!

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That is my concern as well, along with heat management...

Gui, are you actually even gonna get this . You just spent $$$$$ on that killer hatch and hood.

^^ I guess I should upload a pic of my car in the avatar... I'm sure you are confusing me with another Guillaume that lives in On that drives a 2g... I drive the 1g shown in my gallery.

Cheers!

Guillaume said:

^^ I guess I should upload a pic of my car in the avatar... I'm sure you are confusing me with another Guillaume that lives in On that drives a 2g... I drive the 1g shown in my gallery.

Cheers!

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Oh wow that is a trip! Hahaha right right, i forgot, the other guillaume is 4lurker4 haha my bad.

This is pretty awesome. I never knew about this thread either. There are tons of kit cars out there but I never thought they would use a dsm for one. Pretty bad ass.

Are there any important consideration WRT using an AWD transmission in a fwd only mode (in the Apex case this would drive the rear wheel)?

Thanks

Guillaume said:

Are there any important consideration WRT using an AWD transmission in a fwd only mode (in the Apex case this would drive the rear wheel)?

Thanks

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Clutch (more accurately, flywheel), AWD application has more choices.
Axles, 93-99 FWD tranny uses larger axles. But… they aren’t “equal length”, like they are on AWD transmission.
Strength, many say that AWD tranny is stronger. I am not sure if that is true or just one of those myths that people like to parrot… Knowing how you can mix and match transmission parts, I would think that FWD can be build just as strong as AWD tranny. But I would refer this to someone who has actually done it (as I have very little experience with FWD trannies).
Weight, AWD tranny will be ~15-20lbs heavier.

Another point, 1G vs 2G engine/tranny mounting scheme. I can’t get Fran to commit one way or the other. My guess is that they will stick with 2G arrangement, to be consistent with the donor car. But that will make trannies a bit more difficult (more expensive) to source.

This would be awesome to do!

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Clutch (more accurately, flywheel), AWD application has more choices.
Axles, 93-99 FWD tranny uses larger axles. But... they aren't "equal length", like they are on AWD transmission.
Strength, many say that AWD tranny is stronger. I am not sure if that is true or just one of those myths that people like to parrot... Knowing how you can mix and match transmission parts, I would think that FWD can be build just as strong as AWD tranny. But I would refer this to someone who has actually done it (as I have very little experience with FWD trannies).
Weight, AWD tranny will be ~15-20lbs heavier.

Another point, 1G vs 2G engine/tranny mounting scheme. I can't get Fran to commit one way or the other. My guess is that they will stick with 2G arrangement, to be consistent with the donor car. But that will make trannies a bit more difficult (more expensive) to source.

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Thanks for the info Leon, the fact is that I currently have a awd 92 shep built trans with double synchro evo 1-4 gear set (some of the upgraded parts are from jack). I was toying with the idea of getting a Quaife front diff. I'm still not really knowledgeable about diffs (even after reading the thread let's talk diff). I'm currently torn between getting my already awesome dsm to another level by upgrading all 3 diffs ( Quaife, 4 spider, evo3-8+ TRE max Lock upgrade) or just going with the Quaife front because everything in the drivetrain might end up in the Apex. This would mean reselling 2 of the 3 upgraded diff. I'm getting close to the point where my current dsm is going to be to nice to rip apart for the APEX build...

I updated my profile with my car mods so you get what I'm talking about

Cheers!

Gui do you actually have the kit car ?

No, my avatar pic is what I wish my dsm ends up looking like. That being said, I can put you in touch with the Canadian supplier of RCR, he lives close to you, so you could go see his SLC in person (see att) He's also the coolest car guy Ive ever met. PM me if you would like his contact info

Anything new on this?

The good news is that they are going on with the project! The BAD news is that they are swithing to VX powertrain There is talk of making 4G63 to VW adaptor, but I would have to see it in action first...

Do you mean a VW tranny, I think those already exist, and place the engine longitudinal, and make more of a mid engine, a friend has a 2.3 Ford engine with a 915 tranny, benefit is gears can be changed, they are expensive but available.

No, they are going to FWD VW engine/tranny As in: COMPLETE VW powertrain!. I am preety sure they are the FWD car parts to get mid-engine arrangement and not VW bug/911 rear engine arrangement.

But getting engine adaptor is only a small part of the battle. Everyhing else that needs to be done is the real challenge here. I am sure it can be done, but I am not interested in being first (or second) person to do it.

Dont know how strong those trannys may be, maybe availability is what they are going for.

I guess it also had to do with the layout and longitudal engine/tranny worked better.

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I stopped caring about this project right after they dropped the 4g63 and went with VW option insead... So I havent been following it.