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2G ticking by belts. no start. video will be uploaded

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Rikolas

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May 6, 2012
Seabeck, Washington
Hi, today in the parking lot at work, I noticed a ticking noise when I started my car. It sounds like its coming the timing belt area. I live about 25 minutes away from work, and the car made it almost all the way until I pulled into my neighborhood and then it died on me. It will crank but won't start or if it does after sitting for a few minutes, it will be run for only a few seconds.

I did manage to record the ticking while I was at work, which I will upload. I've done some searching but keep finding lifter tick for threads, but nothing about it causing the car to not start.

The ticking is at idle while in the parking lot in neutral, and cruising it is only noticeable while in in gear.
Any ideas are appreciated.

It is a stock 1997 Talon TSi AWD. Only thing done to it is the BCS restrictor is removed. Timing belt along with all other belts were replaced 9k miles ago. Oil change 2k miles ago. Sorry for the crappy video. The noise is noticeable at the beginning and towards the end.

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Did you pull the cover off and inspect everything? I would start by doing that. Look for wear marks on any of the belts. Its hard to tell from your video but your tensioner could be bad. Did you replace it with your new timing belt?
 
Yes it was replaced. I'll give it another look today, but yesterday at first glance they seemed okay.

Checked the belts, everything seemed tight and just fine.
 
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Totally irrelevant ^^^ Has nothing to do with jumped timing.. The car would sputter and run very rough in the video if that was the case. Sounds like what has been happening to my car the last couple months. In the middle of your harmonic balancer is a large bolt. It holds the crankshaft sprocket and trigger plate tight. If it loosens(which it sounds like that!!) it will take out the crankshaft position sensor.. Check that bolt for tightness. If it is loose, you'll have to replace that sensor. You'll most likely have to order it and get it the next day from the parts store. Somewhere in the area of 60 bucks for that sensor.
 
If you look behind your driver side wheel you'll see the harmonic balancer (bottom pic) That large bolt in the center is what I suspect to be loose. Use a 1/2" drive ratchet to try and tighten or loosen it. Now, if it is you'll have to take off the timing cover. You'll have to take off the water pump and p/s pullies first and there are going to be some pretty hard to reach 10mm bolts. If you dont have a 1/4" drive socket set, good luck.

Once you get it off you'll be able to see these two pictures. Touch that bronze color plate behind the timing belt, its probably wiggling around. Replacing the sensor shown with the timing belt is tricky but is doable. Trust me I've done it 3 times in this past summer.. :ohdamn: Although while you're down there check the belts for wear. Do you know the last time the belts were changed? If not Id suggest changing them as well. Heres a link for that. http://www.vfaq.com/mods/timingbelt-2G.html For now just focus on the crank sensor though. Get that swapped and try to start the car, if it runs, great! Then you could tackle the timing belt if needed.



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Thank you for all your help! I'll be diving into that first thing tomorrow (today I have to go grocery shopping and get my breakfast meals ready for the week, along with my lunch for tomorrow). I do have a 1/4 socket set, so hopefully I can get this thing done with little hassle. Also, my wife had all the belts changed 9k miles ago by a local shop I know from back home while I was across the country, but I will be giving them an extra look since I'll be in there anyways. Again, thank you for the help! I will keep you guys updated
 
Update on the talon. It isn't getting a spark and isn't getting fuel. Fuel goes to the rail, then no further. Also my timing belt is a bit shredded in a spot about 8 inches long and 1/4 inch wide on the side, but still together. Didn't notice the first time looking until I cranked it a few times and my buddy pointed it out. Compression was 190 190 160 170. Any ideas?
 
Check that your fpr or return arent clogged.. It doesnt go past rail? If car was cold or not tdc air could be leaking past valves and rings for those two.

Didnthe shop remove your oil pan by chance? Theres a single short bolt that has to be below the timing belt or it will kill it
 
Okay, got it started and the timing belt replaced. Replaced the cas which now it starts.
While it is running, it is running rough, rougher than before it died. No belts were snapped, and it was off maybe 1 or 2 teeth in timing.

There is some weird noises, almost like uncontrolled sparking like static? I replaced the spark plug wires and tried it again with the same results.

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Try running it at night with all the lights off might be able to see if there is any arcing going on with you ignition somewhere. Double check all your grounds from the intake to the firewall for any cracked or lose wires. Check plugs on all your sensors too pull up on the loom and check for any wires frayed or broken
 
Okay, so checked out the car in a dark garage. Wasn't able to see any kind of arcing. I took out one of the spark plugs, and the top seemed a little loose. I'm going to replace them today to see if that fixes or changes anything. I will keep you updated. Also, if any other ideas come to mind, please let me know!
@bmxfelon420 I'm not sure if the plate would cause this sound of static, I no longer hear the ticking noise, which I believe was because the there was a piece of metal that was bent that I think was hitting the cas. Replaced the cas, and moved that metal piece back and it seems fine now. Now the issue is the new noises and rough idle :(
 
Yes, I still have my balance shafts.
Also, there is a weird noise around the intake manifold every 3 minutes or so with the car off. I'll post the video soon.
 
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Okay, I think the weird ticking noise is my pcv. Someone told me since my idle is jumpy it is the ball(?) on the inside to let air out and not in going back and forth due to the idle. I'm going to test my iac to see if that could be an issue, and also a blt. Also, my ac is no longer blowing cold air. Any ideas if that could be part of the issue? It was blowing just fine before the timing belt job.
 
Update
AC is fixed. The cable by the ecu needed adjusting.
Still have the idle problem. My idle is still a little rough and drops when a load like my AC is applied. I checked my iac/isc and it checks good. I also got abrand new one and replaced it to see if it was bad even with proper resistance on all.
Any ideas?
 
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