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2G 1999 Spyder GS Engine Ticking

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Chkaotic

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Jun 30, 2014
Las Vegas, Nevada
Hello everybody. My sister has a 1999 GS Spyder with a 4G64 2.4l engine. She brought it by to me today, and I noticed that the engine had a ticking sound coming from it when she parked. I decided to take the car for a quick drive and see what I noticed. First off, the tick is noticeable even when the car is in neutral. During the drive, I noticed that the tick would get louder as the RPM increased, especially between 2500 and 3000 RPM or so. Once the transmission was shifted into 5th, it would be a bit itermittent at around 2000 RPM, but definitely increased at the 2500 to 3000 mark. I also noticed that it seemed that the variable timing kept activating, as the car would hesitate for a second, then immediately take off like nothing was wrong. However, there was a few times where this was happening consecutively.

When I returned, I asked her about oil changes, additives, and the like. She JUST had the oil changed (it was doing this beforehand) with a high mileage synthetic blend oil, as well as put about a cup or so of Marvel Mystery Oil in the oil and about a cup and a half in gas tank. She said it seemed to be quieter yesterday, but was back to its loud sound today. Also, she claims that today is the first time shes REALLY noticed the variable timing kicking in (she refers to it as hesitation, which I can see), especially during stop and go traffic.

I don't know a whole lot about these engines yet, but am doing what I can to learn, so any ideas/advice you guys might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Jason
 
Leave Marvel and his gang out of that motor. They're simply not wanted since they can't fix anything, just put a 'band-aid' on the gaping and bleeding wound.

Good ol' Lifter Tick - You have a hydraulic lifter that has gotten weak and isn't pressurizing up all the way, top of the lifter has mushroomed in, or the lifter has totally died in not holding compression.

Either way, need to buy 16 lifters and do a total lifter job.

Also, I bet the thing needs a belt job real bad too. For what you described, it sounds like the belt is totally all stretched out. Belt and related tension items needs to be replaced.

-DSM
 
Thanks for the replies. I'll take at look at lifter prices and check the timing belt when I get home from work this afternoon. She brought me a "prepurchase inspection" sheet that she got the other day, and according to it, all of the belts, timing included, are good, but who knows, LOL. Once again, as this is the first time I've really been down into this type of engine, and suggestions/advice when it comes to checking the belt and tension parts?
 
Quick update. I checked the timing belt, and all seems well. It was actually replaced about 10,000 miles ago or so, so luckily, there's no need to deal with that one.

So with that, I shall get some lifters ordered and change them out. Hopefully that will fix the issue. If anybody else has any ideas, I'm all ears. Thanks again.

Jason
 
You would need to prepare lifters since the SOHC 4G64 16valve motor IS an interference motor.


Thus, all the new lifters will have to be bled dry before inserting and let the oil pressure build the lifters back up, or putting in lifters that haven't been bled will definitely cause bent valves when the piston comes up and valves are coming too far down.
 
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Definitely good to know. I actually found a box with a few lifters in them in her glove compartment. Aside from doing the standard dunk in diesel, and prime, is there anyway to tell out of the box whether they are good or not (aside from obvious damage to the lifter itself? I know I've seen videos and such of people being able to easily compress bad ones, and all of these don't seem to move at all under normal finger pressure. Just trying to figure out whether these are actually good, or if I'm going to need to order her a full set of 16?

And thank you very much for your help. It's been greatly appreciated.
 
Quick update. I purchased an entirely new set of lifters and got them installed over the weekend. I also changed the oil to a thicker viscosity (10-40), but to no avail. The tick is definitely better, but not gone. I took a mechanics scope to the engine to listen in a few spots. I did notice that it seemed as though the ticking was loudest around one of the injectors rather than the valve cover, like it was before (some of the lifters were obviously bad). I also spoke to a local DSM mechanic around here and he mentioned maybe a failing oil pump. I know I can check the fuel injectors by taking a multimeter to the power plug, but I have no idea how to check the oil pump outside of going and picking up a manual gauge and going through the trouble of hooking it up, which I'm willing to do, but I wouldn't be able to do that until this weekend. If anybody has any ideas or suggestions on an easy way to check the oil pump, or any other ideas on this ticking sound for that matter, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again guys.
 
You could have a noisy, "tickey" injector ... not a rare issue.

If you do find a noisy one, move it to another cylinder and see if the ticking follows.
Then, if so, replace all four injectors.

I've been there with an injector that would cut out on me. Found the bad one, and replace all four.

My guise with oil pumps: With the motor idling - take the cap off and look inside. If you see oil swirling around all over the place under the cover at idle, pump is okey.

But can see where the mechanic is saying a failing pump since the pressure isn't high enough to keep lifters (and rod bearings) pressurized where they belong.

good luck - DSM
 
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