Advanced Fuel Inj. E-85 USERS

[advfuelinj]

Hello

For E-85 users we have been testing a Fuel Addative with some people using E-85 including a DSM Tuners member with great results to eliminate some problems brought on by E-85 This prod will 1- lubricate and prevent Fuel injectors from sticking 2-Eliminate Moisture in your Fuel 3-Lubricate Cylinders and prevent premature ware on cylinders and Rings due to the drying affect alcohol has 4-Lubricate Valve Guides and valve stems 5-Reduced Friction 6-Protection against Corrosion
7- and ELIMINATE the BLACK BEARD on injectors that some of you are experiencing

Specially formulated for methanol use, Manhattan Oil's line of Top Lubes is recognized as the number one selling product in its category. Customers enjoy reduced friction and better protection from corrosion associated with the use of methanol fuel and the NEW E85 Fuels . Many top engine builders, carburetor builders and injection system suppliers use and recommended these products. Five versions are offered that have the same lubricating properties but vary in features such as color, scent and name. The scented Top Lubes contain a low dose of fragrance and in order to get the full impact it is recommended that you use a bottle of Fuel Fragrance in combination with the Top Lube of your choice. E 85 users recomended mix 16oz to 100gal of E 85,which makes this prod Extremely Affordable.

This Prod Cost is $11.00 a bottle For Ordering Please PAY Pal to info@advancedfuelinjection.net Shippig is 5.25 up to 5 bottles
Check our site for other Fragrances we have to offer

[e85_4g63]

Is this the same stuff they sell labeled as "top end lubricant" for alcohol shifter carts?

[CoachDavis]

Check our site for other Fragrances we have to offer

I don't see a website in conjuction with your post?

[Rob10_99]

Unless your E85 supply sucks, its 10x cleaner than petrol. No need for additional 'cleaners' right?
The corrosion is a myth, anything on this forum will not corrode with use of E85. That's a very old myth having to deal with OLD fuel systems.

[matthewdesigns]

CoachDavis - They are a supporting vendor...here.

What are the ingredients of this product? How long have you been testing it? Do you have any reportable test results? Is there any evidence that this product actually prevents the creation of the black goo that some e85 users see?

I think we'll need a little more than a sales pitch for many members here to try it.

[thiazole]

Originally Posted by Rob10_99

Unless your E85 supply sucks, its 10x cleaner than petrol. No need for additional 'cleaners' right?
The corrosion is a myth, anything on this forum will not corrode with use of E85. That's a very old myth having to deal with OLD fuel systems.

There is a gum in E85 that crashes out on and around the injectors that can even cause them to clog. I personally believe that it is petroleum gum that is in the 15% gasoline part. This gum is very soluble in gasoline, so it isn't a problem in gasoline only applications, but it is very insoluble in E85 and has a tendency to crash out of solution.

Otherwise, what you stated is mostly true - the corrosion is very slow and minor and it does burn cleaner in the engine.

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by e85_4g63

Is this the same stuff they sell labeled as "top end lubricant" for alcohol shifter carts?

The Addative is made by Manhattan Oil Co. It is used in most all methenol /Alcohol Burning drag cars called TOP LUBE that is exactly what it does

Thanks Steve

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by CoachDavis

I don't see a website in conjuction with your post?

The Web Site is Advanced Fuel Injection
Thanks steve

if i can be of any help Please contact me

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by Rob10_99

Unless your E85 supply sucks, its 10x cleaner than petrol. No need for additional 'cleaners' right?
The corrosion is a myth, anything on this forum will not corrode with use of E85. That's a very old myth having to deal with OLD fuel systems.

There is NO question it burnes cleaner that is not the problem First time users it cleans the Gas tank and fuel lines and dumps all that stuff into the screens in your injectors and what is able to pass thru is burned thru the engine. This prod Lubricates all the parts I mentioned in the add.

The corrosin is not a mith it could happen this is prventative maintanence if you beleive in it if you dont this addative is not for you
Thanks Steve

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by matthewdesigns

CoachDavis - They are a supporting vendor...here.

What are the ingredients of this product? How long have you been testing it? Do you have any reportable test results? Is there any evidence that this product actually prevents the creation of the black goo that some e85 users see?

I think we'll need a little more than a sales pitch for many members here to try it.

I am sorry i do not have the ingredients .

This is not a SALES PITCH it WORKS I had one of the members run it for approx 8 weeks (FenixTX717) I am sure if you PM him he will tell you first hand it does WORK. He contacted me he has run approx 100 gal of E-85 with no problems , as of approx three days ago he was going to pull the injectors and give me the feed back on the on the Black Goo Problem .

I have 3 others using it as we speak 2 of them had the Black Goo Problem . I asked them to run the whole bottle thru approx 100 galons of fuel .As soon as i get these results I will post them or have the people running it post the results .

Are you having the Black Goo Problem ?if so Please contact Me
Thanks Steve

[blackrosenova40]

Id wanna know ingrediants before ever dumping something in my fuel tank.

Ive ran alot of e-85, never ever had a problem with the stock fuel lines.

Originally Posted by advfuelinj

I am sorry i do not have the ingredients .

This is not a SALES PITCH it WORKS I had one of the members run it for approx 8 weeks (FenixTX717) I am sure if you PM him he will tell you first hand it does WORK. He contacted me he has run approx 100 gal of E-85 with no problems , as of approx three days ago he was going to pull the injectors and give me the feed back on the on the Black Goo Problem .

I have 3 others using it as we speak 2 of them had the Black Goo Problem . I asked them to run the whole bottle thru approx 100 galons of fuel .As soon as i get these results I will post them or have the people running it post the results .

Are you having the Black Goo Problem ?if so Please contact Me
Thanks Steve

[toofast82]

As said, this product is commonly used with Methanol drag cars. The cherry fragrance smells good too if you get it!
The black goo is what scares me about switching full time to E-85. Hopefully this takes care of that.
I've always been curious what a can of Seafoam would do every so often though to help these issues?

[Rob10_99]

The only cleaner I would put in my tank would be seafoam. Out of all the testing and results of 'additives' for gas it does nothing but put deposits in the exhaust system.

Do you guys have any pics of before/after ?

[e85_4g63]

I had the problem with the "black beard" buildup on my set of injectors also. I add a small amount of top end lube (for shifter cars) once in a while but haven't checked the injectors in a couple months. I'm interested in some of this stuff possibly.

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by Rob10_99

The only cleaner I would put in my tank would be seafoam. Out of all the testing and results of 'additives' for gas it does nothing but put deposits in the exhaust system.

Do you guys have any pics of before/after ?

I am sorry I do not have any pics before and after right now . I will try to get some to post ASAP . This prod is NOT a CLEANER the E-85 is the Cleaner .This is a Lube PLus all i say about it in my add

Thanks

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by e85_4g63

I had the problem with the "black beard" buildup on my set of injectors also. I add a small amount of top end lube (for shifter cars) once in a while but haven't checked the injectors in a couple months. I'm interested in some of this stuff possibly.

I am sure the top lube you are using has the same affect as the TOP LUBE I sell . I am sure you are going to see a difference for sure. Please let me know I would be very interested to know
Thanks A.F.I.

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by toofast82

As said, this product is commonly used with Methanol drag cars. The cherry fragrance smells good too if you get it!
The black goo is what scares me about switching full time to E-85. Hopefully this takes care of that.
I've always been curious what a can of Seafoam would do every so often though to help these issues?

Hello

You must know this prod if you use E-85 do not hesitat to use it it works and helps keep your enging in good shape
Thanks A.F.I.

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by blackrosenova40

Id wanna know ingrediants before ever dumping something in my fuel tank.

Ive ran alot of e-85, never ever had a problem with the stock fuel lines.

Hello
I will try to get ingrediants for you
Thanks A.F.I.

[habitatguy187]

Originally Posted by toofast82

I've always been curious what a can of Seafoam would do every so often though to help these issues?

+1, I asked some guys that run it on one of the e-85 threads if they've ever tried it and none of them have, but I really wouldn't be surprised if it took car of it.

I'm wondering though.... the black goo appears every couple months or so members say, are you supposed to use this everytime you fill up?

[matthewdesigns]

First off, set me say to you Steve that I'm not bashing you or your product here, just stating what I know from a LOT of local investigation into this problem. If your product works definitively then I think it would be great for the community.

Originally Posted by advfuelinj

Are you having the Black Goo Problem ?if so Please contact Me
Thanks Steve

I am not having the problem. After 8 months of e85 use I pulled my injectors and there was only a slight deposit, literally enough to discolor the end of a q-tip on all four combined. There are plenty of locals here who have the issue, and we're trying to figure out what the actual cause is.

Originally Posted by advfuelinj

I am sorry i do not have the ingredients .

There is a chemist on a local forum who has tested the deposit and found what it's elemental constituents are, so knowing what is in this product will help to rule it's use in or out.

Originally Posted by advfuelinj

This prod is NOT a CLEANER the E-85 is the Cleaner .

In the case of the mysterious black goo, I would have to disagree. E85 is a great cleaner with respect to seemingly every other part of the fuel system, but it is the culprit with respect to the goo. The goo, it seems, precipitates out of e85 under certain conditions, and cannot be reabsorbed by the e85 as the e85 is saturated with this compound. So unless the additive IS the cleaner, running it through the injectors, mixed in e85, really won't do any good.

Did the member you mention as having used it have the goo, then see it go away, or did he start fresh on e85 + the additive? If the latter, that provides no direct evidence, as it could have been me using it, and I have no buildup without the additive.

Originally Posted by Rob10_99

Do you guys have any pics of before/after ?

You could be shown a photo of the same injectors after a conventional cleaning instead of after having this additive run through them, so that's really not going to prove anything.

Originally Posted by habitatguy187

I'm wondering though.... the black goo appears every couple months or so members say, are you supposed to use this everytime you fill up?

Locals are seeing the buildup and it's symptoms as rarely as never, and in as frequently as a couple of weeks. Some people here have been using it for 2+ years, and the best solution, if you can do it, has been to run a tank of pump gas through the car when it starts to show symptoms. If you are on any type of advanced tuning device you can retune for gasoline and it will clean the injectors very well on just one tank. Then jump back to an e85 tune. I've got a dual image Keydiver chip, and can switch over if I have to (have not needed to). The next best thing is to pull them and just clean them with gasoline, as the goo is very soluble in it. You need really need to run gasoline through them too, though, so that the mechanism in the injectors is cleaned, as well as the tip.

[crimsondragon]

Where did you hear about our products? Our Top Lube is a synthetic base and the balance of the formula is proprietary. It is an excellent lubricant and you will be very happy with your results.

Thank you,
Mike Mantel
Manhattan Oil

Evasive aren't we?

[Rob10_99]

So its purely a lubricant? I don't know where you were going with this.

What is the compound that it was found to be? Most likely it was the end tank additives? (meaning the proprietary additives gas companies use at the gas station inground tanks, or at the truck filling stations)

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by Rob10_99

So its purely a lubricant? I don't know where you were going with this.

What is the compound that it was found to be? Most likely it was the end tank additives? (meaning the proprietary additives gas companies use at the gas station inground tanks, or at the truck filling stations)

Rob I said from the begining of this thread it is a lubricant . I REALLY DONT KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH THIS . Do you expect the manufacturer to tell you what this prod consists of?

I am telling the members of the DSM tuners there is a product that will help .

I purchase this from R.C.I (Race Components Inc.)he is also testing it with E-85 and E-99 Fuel with some of his customers with good results

As Mike Mantel from manhattan Oil said it is a Snthetic Base and you will be happy with the Results

Thanks

[habitatguy187]

You're probably going to have to get someone with approval on here to try it out, for the most part dsm owners are cheap, and even more so skeptical. These cars have been around a long time and everyone pretty much follows the same pattern of mods/maintenance.

Without intense testing and results shown to everyone (not just word of mouth of some guy on here who's been using it) this product will probably not get off the ground in the dsm community.

[Rob10_99]

I was referring to the black crap on the injectors, not the previously told 'proprietary' substances in the 'lube'.
Besides the point.

[matthewdesigns]

The black goo that the local member tested appeared to be, in his words, "a very large petroleum based hydrocarbon, similar to Vaseline."

We are going to try to send him as many samples of e85 as possible, from different vendors around the state, to see if it is region or vendor specific. This because there are some people who get very little to no goo (such as myself), and others who can't run two weeks after a cleaning without it being a problem.

[advfuelinj]

Originally Posted by matthewdesigns

The black goo that the local member tested appeared to be, in his words, "a very large petroleum based hydrocarbon, similar to Vaseline."

We are going to try to send him as many samples of e85 as possible, from different vendors around the state, to see if it is region or vendor specific. This because there are some people who get very little to no goo (such as myself), and others who can't run two weeks after a cleaning without it being a problem.

Can you give me one person who has to clean after 2 weeks ? I would like to ask him if he would be willing to use this prod . I will give him a bottle as long as he can post the results and put an end to the Guessing . I woud really appreciat it
Thanks Steve

[toofast82]

Originally Posted by matthewdesigns

The black goo that the local member tested appeared to be, in his words, "a very large petroleum based hydrocarbon, similar to Vaseline."

We are going to try to send him as many samples of e85 as possible, from different vendors around the state, to see if it is region or vendor specific. This because there are some people who get very little to no goo (such as myself), and others who can't run two weeks after a cleaning without it being a problem.

I've alway been very curious if its region/vendor specific as well? Or how often the pump is used,etc?
I see some people say they've never had a problem in 2years and others with a lot of issues with the goo

[matthewdesigns]

Originally Posted by advfuelinj

Can you give me one person who has to clean after 2 weeks ? I would like to ask him if he would be willing to use this prod . I will give him a bottle as long as he can post the results and put an end to the Guessing . I woud really appreciat it
Thanks Steve

You've got PM.

[FenixTX717]

Thought I should finally chime in, lol. But I've been using this product from Steve and as far as I can tell it has been doing it's job. I haven't had any build up on my injectors and I've been running e85 since roughly the beginning of March end of Feb. I don't use this product in ever gas tank as it's kind of pricey to get a bottle but I've been making it last quite awhile now.

I use about 4 oz. every 3ish fill ups. Sometimes a bit more. I'm also runninig Delphi 1000cc injectors purchased from Steve at AFI. Thanks for all the help Steve, hopefully in the future I'll need bigger injectors from you I will vouche for Steve's excellent customer service and prices for his products!