Cryogenic processing now in house!!!!!!

[wt71gas]

Just wanted to let everyone know that our new cryogenic processor has arrived and we are now providing this service in house with a very minimal downtime. We will be doing a group buy on cryogenic brake kits that should be ready to post all the info later today or tomorrow. Keep checking back for that.

Also, if anyone would like pricing, application info, or just plain have some questions as to what it is and its benefits feel free to post any questions in this thread and I will reply as soon as possible. Thanks for looking everyone

Wayne

[dsmfa9nutter]

Are you doing it on a per-lb basis or certain items=certain price? I've got a set of rods and pistons (connected) that I'd like to get done.

[cmptrphreak]

What are some of the benefits of cryogenics? What parts would be vastly improved by this procces?

[91DSMFAN]

Stupid question, but could Cryo Treatment help prevent cracks in Exhaust Manifolds?

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by dsmfa9nutter

Are you doing it on a per-lb basis or certain items=certain price? I've got a set of rods and pistons (connected) that I'd like to get done.

We are currently working on a set pricing structure for the common parts like internal engine parts, etc..

For most other parts it will be simply by weight with smaller items paying more per pound and larger items less per pound.

You pistons and rods can be done for $60 however we recommend that everything be completely disassembled before it undergoes the process due to different materials expanding and contracting at different rates. Send me a pm if you don't want to deal with that. Let me know if they are stock or aftermarket and we can work something out.

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by cmptrphreak

What are some of the benefits of cryogenics? What parts would be vastly improved by this procces?

Cast iron parts benefit the most I believe such as things like a brake rotor. Many different items can be cryo treated with benefits such as:

engine parts
turbos
exhaust parts
intercoolers
radiators
gears
axles
yokes & u-joints
ball joints
blades
gun barrels
drill bits
machine tooling

The list really goes on and on.....

Pretty much anything that wears out or has any kind of stresses in it will benefit from treatment. The treatment does not really harden the material but refines the molecular structure making it more durable.

Metals will dissipate heat approximately 30% more efficiently so treating your radiator will help keep coolant temps down a bit and intercooler treatment will have an effect on your intake temps being cooler.

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by 91DSMFAN

Stupid question, but could Cryo Treatment help prevent cracks in Exhaust Manifolds?

Treating an exhaust manifold should increase its ability to dissipate heat and it should also make it less prone to cracking.

[wt71gas]

Here is an interesting article that was published in Turbo Magazine in April of 2004:

Turbo Magazine - April 2004
LIVING UNDER PRESSURE - CRYO TREATING TURBOS FOR LONGER LIFE

Cryogenic treatment, the treatment of metals at cryogenic temperatures of 300 degrees Fahrenheit below zero, has been around for many years.

To some, it's elusive and indefinable. To others, it's a godsend, a must-do modification that's key to success. This widely varying opinion has to do with the proprietary nature of the cryogenic process. How the treatment is applied plays an important role in its effectiveness, which companies don't want out in the open.

Cryogenic temperature treatments close the grain structure, re-align molecules and relieve stress on the parts. This produces stronger, more abrasion-resistant parts that should perform better and last longer.

When it comes to cryo and turbos, it's all about stability and alignment. The turbocharger's exhaust housing is the foundation of the turbocharger. After cryo-treatment, it's relieved of stress and provides the stability to help keep the inside of the turbo properly aligned. The exceedingly high temperatures during extreme use won't distort the housing and disrupt the alignment of the components. Cryo-treating the shaft, impeller, and bearings also improves the service life of these vital pieces of the puzzle.

In tractor pulling, a power-tuned tractor is hooked to a weighted sled that is pulled down a 300-foot clay track until the tractor runs out of power, spins out, blows up, runs off the track, or the front end gets so high in the air, the track official waves the red flag and stops the pull.

Turbocharged pulling tractors compete with injector pumps, putting out far more fuel, and the engine turns far more rpm than manufacturers planned. As they charge down the track, straining with the weighted sled. their exhausts look like giant torch-es. This is certainly not conducive to turbocharger life.

Raymond Wildman competes in an International Harvester 1066 tractor with a turbocharged six-cylinder diesel engine. The tractor was running strong, but his turbo was lasting no more than six pulls (a mere 1,800 feet). Wildman needed to improve the life of his turbo, so he disassembled a turbo to be cryo-treated and Wildman would use it until it had to be replaced.

If the engine could last for more than six pulls, it would be an improvement. A new, disassembled turbo was delivered to be processed. It was cryo-treated in a few days and ready to be assembled and installed on the tractor. No other changes were made to the tractor in order to get a true test of the effects of cryo-treatment on the turbo.

They knew within a few weeks the test was successful—it was just a matter of replacing the turbo and getting the final numbers. Finally, Raymond detected a bearing problem and the turbo was removed after 140 pulls, quite an improvement over the six pulls the untreated turbo had endured.

The foundation of the turbo remained stable, helping keep its inner workings in proper alignment. The treated inner parts remained true and didn't distort, which also contributed to proper alignment. And the wear was reduced, preventing additional clearance that could have contributed to catastrophic failure.

Turbo abuse is a terrible thing. If you run your turbo hard, this treatment may be a way to cheat the physics of extreme heat and extend the life of your turbo.

[Rob10_99]

So whats the process for cryo'in a turbo?
take it down completely?
Can you do it with DBB turbos?

[architechnik]

Do you have any numbers on distortion levels when working with various materials?
I'm thinking the block and head would be nice along with the all the exhaust components, but if it requires complete rework then it might not be worth it.

Are you guys planning on doing any group buys on things that are pre-treated?

[Carmenpzito]

Originally Posted by architechnik

Do you have any numbers on distortion levels when working with various materials?
I'm thinking the block and head would be nice along with the all the exhaust components, but if it requires complete rework then it might not be worth it.

Are you guys planning on doing any group buys on things that are pre-treated?

ide be interested in the price for a block and head too.

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by Rob10_99

So whats the process for cryo'in a turbo?
take it down completely?
Can you do it with DBB turbos?

We did a lot of research before we purchased the unit that we did. In talking with all of the few people that make the processors, some of them say its perfectly fine to put completely assembled parts in to process and others say you should disassemble first.

I feel that it is is everyone's best interest to completely take down any parts you want done with nothing torqued down. With most items having different materials that expand at different rates (like pistons and pins) we believe it is much safer to do this process when the parts are disassembled.

Ball bearing turbos should be fine but like I said before should be disassembled as much as possible before the process.

Wayne

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by architechnik

Do you have any numbers on distortion levels when working with various materials?
I'm thinking the block and head would be nice along with the all the exhaust components, but if it requires complete rework then it might not be worth it.

Are you guys planning on doing any group buys on things that are pre-treated?

I think this is important so hopefully making it red will make it more visible. CRYOGENIC PROCESSING DOES NOT AFFECT THE PHYSICAL DIMINSIONS OF THE PART WHATSOEVER. Whatever size something goes in, it will come out the same. The only thing to worry about is different materials that expand or contract at different rates during the process. Typically we do the process before the machine work but it has been performed after also and works just fine.

We will absolutely be doing some group buys for this, and the first one will be brake pads and rotors here in a day or two it should be posted up.

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by Carmenpzito

ide be interested in the price for a block and head too.

Here are some more engine prices:

4 cyl engine block = $270
4 cyl head = $130
Complete 4 cyl engine = $450

It is worth the money as you can see to do the complete engine assembly including all internals for the $50 more but if someone just wants to do a block and a head bare send me a pm and we will work something out.

Cylinder heads are a great thing to cryo treat. Nothing wrong with being less prone to warpage and cracking; and shoot it evens lowers the EGT's at the same time

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by Boost92awd

How much to get some brake rotors cryo'd? Would it be cheaper if I bought new rotors from you and had them cryo'd?

Brake rotors will run about $80 for a set of 4 rotors and front and rear pads. Hopefully by later today I will have the first group buy posted which will be slotted or drilled (or both) brake rotors and pads. They will have the option to be cryo treated and the discounts will be awesome for the parts and the cryo treatment itself. I am hoping that I can get slotted rotors that are treated and put them on a group but for less that a treated stock rotor. I am still working on better volume pricing from the manufacturer on the rotors so I can pass the discount on to everyone involved.

[wt71gas]

Just to get some input, what type of a group buy would you like to see? Depending on what people think I am thinking about just rotors in from or rear in case people don't need all four. Also I have Hawk HPS pads available or something "very similar" in a private label box. I just don't want to make a group buy for a set of 4 rotors and front and rear pads and then have people get left out because they don't want the whole package together.

Let me know anything else you guys would like to see a group buy for. I am also thinking of doing maybe some half price weeks or big discounts for people that might be ok to wait a week and get added into a run that isn't full yet.

Let me know guys

[T9S1i]

Originally Posted by wt71gas

Just to get some input, what type of a group buy would you like to see? Depending on what people think I am thinking about just rotors in from or rear in case people don't need all four. Also I have Hawk HPS pads available or something "very similar" in a private label box. I just don't want to make a group buy for a set of 4 rotors and front and rear pads and then have people get left out because they don't want the whole package together.

Let me know anything else you guys would like to see a group buy for. I am also thinking of doing maybe some half price weeks or big discounts for people that might be ok to wait a week and get added into a run that isn't full yet.

Let me know guys

Well, Im getting paid on the 7th and i was planning on getting some 93+ rotors to go with my DP calipers, and i would need brake pads as well, so im definatly interested in the big brake rotors. I was just going to go to Kragen or Napa or something and get stockers, but if youve got good pricing on a front set and pads, or possibly all 4 Im definatly interested in seeing what it would be as i am in the market at this time.

[architechnik]

This is an excellent development and I really appreciate your openness to advertising services to outside parts. Most of the cryo processing advertised out there is only for in-house sales. It will be interesting to see how this all develops and I hope it maintains a decent profit margin for you guys to continue offering such wide range of possibilities.

As for the group buys, it all depends on pricing and timing. I'm waiting for summer before I make any new commitments, being a college student and running on very limited funds at the moment. I am planning on doing an in-depth street/autoX build starting in two months and I'll likely be looking for pistons and valves getting cryo'd specifically.

When you mentioned getting the entire engine done, were you talking about assembled?! That would be excellent if possible, but I couldn't see how with the varied expansion rates.

[wt71gas]

Originally Posted by T9S1i

Well, Im getting paid on the 7th and i was planning on getting some 93+ rotors to go with my DP calipers, and i would need brake pads as well, so im definatly interested in the big brake rotors. I was just going to go to Kragen or Napa or something and get stockers, but if youve got good pricing on a front set and pads, or possibly all 4 Im definatly interested in seeing what it would be as i am in the market at this time.

The group buy is taking slightly longer than expected but look for it later today or tomorrow. Should be in full swing by the start of the week.

Wayne